Jul 23, 2026 Regular Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

[00:00:18]

REDO THE ROLL CALL. MAYOR DEPAOLO HERE, VICE MAYOR WATERS BROWN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER PEREZ HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. SAWYER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. WILLIAMS. PALMER PRESENT. OKAY.

[ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, PULLED ITEMS OR OTHER MODIFICATIONS]

[PUBLIC COMMENT (3 MINUTES EACH)]

[COMMENTS BY VILLAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS]

[COMMENTS BY VILLAGE MANAGER]

[00:05:04]

AND SO I'M JUST STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT. AND THEN IF IF WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE MEETING, I THINK WE NEED TO NARROW DOWN AN AGENDA BECAUSE AND STICK TO THAT AGENDA. RIGHT.

I AGREE WITH YOU. WE DO NEED TO HAVE AN AGENDA. AND I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD WAIT, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT'S NEEDED TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND I KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC, THEIR NUMBER ONE THING IS THEY WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS. AND WE DEFINITELY WANT SOME, WHETHER IT'S PROS AND CONS, WE NEED SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO JUST GIVE IT TO US STRAIGHT. AND JUST SO WHETHER WHETHER THERE'S AN AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS.

AGREED. YEAH. SO I'LL PROVIDE I HAVE SOME PEOPLE AND I CAN BRING THEM BACK AND YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. IF YOU HAD THOSE CONTACTS. I, YOU KNOW, I'M LIMITED IN MY CONTACTS BECAUSE I'M NOT. YEAH. I'M JUST THE INDIVIDUAL NORMALLY WHO'S INTERACTING WITH THESE AGENCIES FOR PERMITTING, PARTICULARLY IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE PEOPLE HERE, THAT THERE CAN BE MEANINGFUL QUESTIONS ASKED AND ANSWERS GIVEN. AND FOLKS DON'T FEEL FRUSTRATED THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY DID YOU BRING THAT PERSON? THEY DON'T EVEN THEY CAN'T ANSWER, ESPECIALLY IF WE WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE. WE ALREADY KNOW. SO IF WE IF WHOEVER IS HERE, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS DON'T. THEY CAN'T GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW. SO THIS IS THE AGENDA. WE NEED YOU TO WHATEVER QUESTIONS THAT'S GOING TO COME UP, THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP AND BE ABLE TO PRODUCE SOLID INFORMATION. YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. KAREN. YES, MA'AM. HAVE YOU CHECKED IN WITH TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING? DID THEY HAVE ANYTHING OR ANYONE ON.

ON WHAT SUBJECT MATTER FOR THE SEMINAR OR THE WORKSHOP THAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE EIGHTH. BUT BECAUSE THEY HAD ON THEIR WEBSITE ABOUT DATA CENTERS, PROS AND CONS, THEY HAD PEOPLE WHO BUILD AND OR HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT. I'M JUST ASKING, DID YOU CHECK WITH TOM? I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD ALL THAT. YEAH. LAST TIME THEY DID A PRESENTATION AND IT WAS ON DATA CENTERS. IT WAS VERY ONE SIDED. I. YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT ONE. YEAH. BUT THEY DO HAVE OTHERS.

OKAY. AND TOM SAID HE HAD OKAY, A BALANCE. SO WE MIGHT WANT TO CHECK AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN USE. YEAH. NO. PERFECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE WANT WE WANT TO POSTPONE THIS MEETING. THEN DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH.

SO I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS MEETING UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. OKAY. I SECOND THAT ONE. OKAY.

AND I'LL GET THOSE COMMITMENTS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN COME BACK. OKAY. WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT THEN. OKAY. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR ME. BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE, DO WE HAVE AN END DATE FOR THAT ONE? BECAUSE IF WE JUST LEAVE IT INDEFINITE DO WE HAVE THEY SAID WHAT, 6 TO 8 WEEKS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THEM. 8 TO 10. SO YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO GET IT BACK TO YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IF WE LET THEM KNOW NOW, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMMIT BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT HOLIDAYS BEFORE THE HOLIDAY. ABSOLUTELY.

THAT WOULD BE MY GOAL. OKAY. THANKS. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT OUR OCTOBER MAYBE OCTOBER.

YEAH. OKAY. SO DO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A, A DECISION. WHAT DAY WHAT SATURDAY IN OCTOBER. LET ME FIND OUT THERE. I THINK THAT'S WHERE I AIRED LAST TIME, GETTING YOU TO GIVE ME A DATE AND THEN GOING BACK AND SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S OUR DATE. AND THEN THEM SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT MY DATE. OKAY. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CHECK WITH THEM FIRST AND THEN I CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME OPTIONS. OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU. OKAY.

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

SECOND, WE HAVE FIRST AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA. OH.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA]

[00:10:04]

[Approval of Contract to Purchase CRA Property at 16870 SW Charleston St. from Martin County]

IT WAS ENVIRONMENTAL LANDS AND OTHER PURCHASES SUCH AS THAT. SO IT'S WELL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF HOW THOSE FUNDS CAN BE SPENT. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY, WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. OH NO SIR. OKAY. WE GOT A MOTION. I SECOND, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. PASS UNANIMOUSLY. I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S ATTACHED TO THAT. YES, MA'AM.

HOW DO WE GO ABOUT NOW THAT WE'VE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY? HOW DO WE GO ABOUT CLOSING THAT ROAD THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE PLAYGROUND? AND HOW DO WE CLOSE THAT ROAD OFF? I WAS OUT THERE THE OTHER DAY, AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT WAS LIKE A RACEWAY. PEOPLE ARE CUTTING THROUGH THERE AND IT'S JUST DANGEROUS. SO NOW THAT WE OWN THAT PROPERTY, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE ONE END THE ENTRANCE AND THE OTHER END NOT GO ANYWHERE SO PEOPLE AREN'T CUTTING THROUGH? SURE. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THERE'S THERE'S KIND OF AN ENGINEERING AND A LEGAL SIDE TO THAT. THE LEGAL SIDE IS EASY. YOU CAN CLOSE A ROAD WITH REGARD TO KIND OF THE ENGINEERING OR PLANNING SIDE. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU ALL HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION TO THAT END.

CORRECT. WHAT I WOULD WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT THAT MAY VERY WELL BE A VERY GOOD IDEA. BUT WORKING OUT THE PARTICULARS, YOU ALL HAVE OUTSTANDING PROFESSIONAL STAFF AMONG YOUR VILLAGE ENGINEER AND OTHER FOLKS. I GUESS I WOULD SUGGEST SOME STAFF WITH YOUR DIRECTION COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO THE BEST WAY TO REORIENT ALL THAT, AND THEN YOU ALL WILL HAVE SOMETHING CONCRETE TO WORK FROM. SO THE MAYOR HAS BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE THAT IT NEEDED TO BE DONE. AND UNTIL WE OWNED IT, YOU KNOW, AND GOT THIS PART DONE, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO VOTE ON IT. BUT I REALLY DO THINK WE SHOULD DIRECT STAFF TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE THAT ROAD IS NOW DANGEROUS. MY VISION IS TO PUT THAT PUT THAT ROAD BEHIND THE FIRE STATION NOW THIS PROPERTY, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT CANAL. THAT'S ACTUALLY WE TRIED TO CONTACT THE THE LANDOWNER BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A VERY DESIRABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR SOMEBODY. BUT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ROAD GO FROM FARMS ROAD TO COME OUT TO 168TH RIGHT BY THE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED WATER TREATMENT PLANT, BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT ROAD BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THESE KIDS OUT THERE NOW CROSSING BACK AND FORTH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT THAT POLICE ATHLETIC LEAGUE IS USING THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET. SO THESE KIDS ARE CROSSING THAT STREET ALL, ALL THE TIME. SO. WELL, WE'RE ALSO RUNNING INTO ISSUES ON THE WEEKEND BECAUSE THEY'RE SETTING

[00:15:01]

THEY NEED TO START PAYING FOR THE PAVILION THAT THEY'VE TAKEN OVER AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

WE HAD NOT IMPLEMENTED THAT PRIOR TO, OKAY, THE OLD PERKINS SCHOOL, THAT'S A SCHOOL BOARD THAT OWNS THAT, RIGHT? YES, SIR. WE LOOKED AT THAT, BUT THE APPRAISAL CAME IN SO HIGH, IT'S TOO MUCH, IT'S TOO MUCH. AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE NEED AT THIS MOMENT FOR A FACILITY SUCH AS THAT, QUITE HONESTLY. SO I WAS HOPING TO GIVE IT TO US, KNOCK IT DOWN AND PUT A PARKING LOT IN AGAIN. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE STAFF PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING FOR US TO LOOK AT ABOUT CLOSING THAT ROAD, NOT BUILDING A NEW ROAD, NONE OF THAT. JUST WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT. BUT JUST RIGHT NOW ANYWAY, BUT JUST CLOSING THAT AND LIKE YOU HAD SUGGESTED BEFORE, SO THAT THAT TRAFFIC IS NOT FLYING THROUGH THERE BECAUSE IT WAS AWFUL. I MEAN, THERE WERE PEOPLE I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW FAST THEY WERE DRIVING IN THAT LITTLE SHORT SPAN. IT WAS LIKE A RACEWAY. YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. NOW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARK AND I, I HEARD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT PUTTING THE PARAMETERS, BUT. THEY USE ALL THE PARKS. PEOPLE USE ALL THE PARKS THAT PARK IN BOCA PARK. THEY USE THAT PARK THAT THAT'S A PLACE OF THAT'S THE WAY THEY GO TOGETHER. I'M SORRY TO GATHER TOGETHER. SO IF WE IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THEN WE NEED TO IMPOSE IT EVERY PARK. BECAUSE IF THE PEOPLE ARE GATHERING TO, TO HAVE FUN, YOU, YOU. WE CAN'T SANCTION THEM ABOUT. YOU CAN'T DO THIS. YOU CAN'T IF THEY. AND IF THEY'RE HAVING A PICNIC OR WHATEVER, OR GATHERING, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, ARE THEY ARE THEY DESTROYING THE PROPERTY? THEY'RE LEAVING ALL THEIR GARBAGE. YES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE CAMERAS UP THERE. OKAY. AND I THINK DEBBIE HAD TOLD ME ONE TIME THAT THEY, SHE ACTUALLY KNEW WHO THE PERSON WAS THAT WAS THAT HAD DID SOME DAMAGE. SO I'M NOT SURE I HAD ABOUT 3 OR 4 CONVERSATIONS. SO I'M NOT SURE WHO TOLD ME WHAT, THAT THEY CONFRONTED THE PERSON AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS OF HOW BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO COME. THAT BOOK APART FEELS THAT THEY ARE UNDER ATTACK. THAT WOULD NEVER BE OUR INTENT. I, I KNOW IT'S NOT OUR INTENT, BUT SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THIS STUFF GOING ON ABOUT ALL KIND OF CRAP, WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO WIND UP IN ANOTHER WAR. AND WE WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THIS COUNCIL DIRECTING US TO DO THAT. I AGREE, I THINK THAT IT'S BECOME WE BUILT THE PARK SO PEOPLE WOULD GATHER AT THE PARK. MAYBE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THERE'S GARBAGE CANS AND THINGS OUT MORE. MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OF THOSE OUT THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SEE US CHARGING FOR THE PAVILION THAT I WANT TO SEE THOSE FOLKS GATHERING OUT THERE.

THEY REALLY ARE LOVING WHAT WE DID FOR THE COMMUNITY AND, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. MAYBE IMPOSING FINES FOR THOSE THAT DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. BUT YEAH, I WANT TO SEE THEM BE ABLE TO ENJOY THAT PARK. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT ACTIVITY. ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, PARKING ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING. IF WE CLOSE THAT ROAD, THEN WE CAN ADD PARKING. CORRECT. THEY CAN PARK ALONG THAT ROAD. SO JUST ANOTHER REASON TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT ROAD CLOSED. THOSE FAMILIES CAN PARK SAFELY AND GATHER BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARE LOVING THAT PARK. AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON WE PUT IT OUT THERE. YES, MA'AM. ABSOLUTELY. TERRY, CAN YOU GIVE US THE HISTORY OF THAT CRA PROPERTY? WHEN WE INCORPORATED, WE DIDN'T HAVE FUNDING TO PURCHASE THAT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PROPERTY. WAS THAT NOT HOBE SOUND THAT CAME THROUGH WITH THEIR FUNDING FOR THAT PROPERTY? NO, NO, NO. YOU HAD AN INDIAN TOWN, CRA, CORRECT. THEY DID A LOAN WITH BECAUSE THE WHEN THE CRA WANTED TO ACQUIRE IT, INDIAN TOWN CRA DID NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS WITHIN THEIR TIF FUNDS TO MAKE THE ACQUISITION. SO THE THE WHOLE CRA AS A WHOLE GAVE THEM A LOAN THAT WAS PAID BACK OVER TIME. AND THEN THE PROPERTY REVERTS TO THE CRA. AND THAT'S WHY THEY THEY WOULDN'T JUST GIVE IT TO US. THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND MAKE THAT TIF FUND WHOLE. AND SO THAT'S THE HISTORY I REMEMBER. AND I DON'T KNOW, WADE, IF YOU'VE GOT OTHER.

[00:20:01]

YEAH. IT WAS THEY, I THINK, PAID BACK INTERNALLY AMONGST THE DIFFERENT FUNDS OF THE CRA AT THAT POINT. BASICALLY, TO THAT POINT, AS YOU'LL RECALL, AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE VILLAGE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES, PARK PROPERTIES, PRIMARILY THAT THE COUNTY GAVE TO THE VILLAGE AND GAVE, YOU KNOW, AT NO COST IN, IN THOSE TRANSFERS, THE THAT CRA PROPERTY, THERE WAS NOT AMONG THEM FOR GOOD REASON, BECAUSE IT'S THE SOURCE OF ITS MONIES WERE FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOURCE FROM THE THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING FROM THE INDIAN TOWN. CRA. SO THAT'S WHY THAT NEVER CAME OVER. THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT AT THAT TIME AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ITS OWN KETTLE OF FISH. BUT NOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT THAT WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SIDE OF THE BLOCK. OKAY. THAT WAS WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW.

THE BUILDING NEXT TO THE BUENA PARK PARK, THE LITTLE SCHOOLHOUSE WAS IT USED TO BE THE MUSIC ROOM FOR US. IS THAT IS THAT THE DIRECTION THAT THAT YOU ALL PROVIDED TO US WAS BECAUSE I DID SEND A LETTER TO THE SUPERINTENDENT, AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID THAT THE ATTORNEYS, THEY WANTED THEIR ATTORNEY AND MR. VOSS TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE SUPERINTENDENT TO ACQUIRE THAT PARCEL FOR. AND I JUST SAW, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SUMMERTIME. TYSON'S BEEN TRAVELING, BUT I JUST SAW HIM LAST WEEK AND I SAID, WE GOT TO GET THIS THING RESOLVED. SO IT'S IT'S ON HIS RADAR. AND TYSON. TYSON IS OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD. THE THE ATTORNEY THAT THEY'VE ASSIGNED TO TO HANDLE THIS MATTER. TYSON AND I HAVE HAVE DISCUSSED IT. AND KIND OF THE TWO THINGS HE INDICATED TO ME THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS BALANCING IS THEY HAVEN'T HAD A HISTORY IN THE PAST OF DOING WHAT I WAS GOING TO TRY TO PERSUADE, WHICH IS CUT US A SPECIAL DEAL. ALL RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STATE GOVERNMENTS CAN. JUST AS THE COUNTY DID WHEN THE VILLAGE GOT CREATED, GOVERNMENTS CAN GIVE PIECES OF PROPERTY WHEN THEY HELD IT, YOU KNOW, FREE AND CLEAR. AND IT'S NOT FROM A SPECIAL SOURCE OR WHAT HAVE YOU OVER TO OTHER GOVERNMENTS, EITHER FOR FREE OR AT REDUCED PRICES. THERE HASN'T BEEN A HISTORY OF THAT, I'M TOLD, WITH MARTIN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, JUST BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN. THERE HAVEN'T BEEN MANY INSTANCES WHERE THEY'RE NOT IN GROWTH MODE, IF YOU WILL. THE OTHER THING THEY ARE BALANCING, THOUGH, IN ADDITION TO KIND OF ENCOUNTERING THAT IDEA THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE PROPERTY TO OFFLOAD, IS, OF COURSE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE THE IMMEDIATE EFFECTS OF THE PROPERTY TAX AMENDMENT, THEY ARE DEALING WITH OTHER ISSUES WITH REGARD TO ENROLLMENT AND SO ON. SO THEIR BUDGETS ARE LOOKING ROUGH.

SO WHILE IT'S A GREAT STORY, I CAN TRY TO TELL THEM, HEY, GIVE IT TO US FOR LESS MONEY THAN MARKET VALUE. THEY'RE DEALING WITH OTHER CONCERNS AS WELL. FINANCIAL CONCERNS. SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE'VE WE'VE GOT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE. AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO NAIL THAT DOWN TO SOME NUMBER WE CAN RECOMMEND TO EVERYBODY. WHAT WAS THE COST THAT THEY SAID TO US? DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? IT WAS SOMETHING LOW FOR ME, I THOUGHT, I APOLOGIZE, THE THE INITIAL APPRAISAL. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THE INITIAL APPRAISAL CAME IN HIGH. AND SO I WENT BACK TO THE APPRAISER AND SAID, THAT PARCEL WILL REMAIN RECREATIONAL. AND WHEN THEY APPRAISED IT, THEY APPRAISED IT AT HIGHEST AND BEST USE, WHICH WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL OR SOME WHATEVER. AND SO THEY WENT BACK AND THE APPRAISAL WAS WAS LOWERED. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER TO WHAT IT WAS. IT WAS, I THINK 130 I, I BROUGHT IT UP. YEAH, YEAH. 130,000. YEAH. AND IF WE CLOSE THAT ROAD, THAT WON'T BE WORTH ANYTHING. WELL THAT'LL BE A CONVERSATION FOR THE LAWYERS. YEAH. WE'LL SORT OUT THAT PIECE. BUT I THINK BOOKER PARK SCHOOL WAS WHAT 2.7 MILLION. 1.1, 1.2, 1.2 MILLION. YEAH. THAT WAS TOO HIGH. I DON'T WANT THE SCHOOL TORN DOWN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT DONE WITH IT. BUT TORN DOWN IS NOT ONE OF THOSE. AND IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN HISTORY, THE EXISTING BUILDING. THE EXISTING BUILDING. OH, IT IT'S IT'S THERE'S AREAS THAT ARE NOT THAT DID NOT PASS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR. YEAH. THE OLD PART. WELL, THE ORIGINAL PART WAS THE ONE THAT GOES STRAIGHT. AND THE ADD ON PART FOR PERKINS HEAD START. THAT WAS AN ADD ON PART. SO DO YOU KNOW WHICH OF THE WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SMALL. NO, I'M ON TO THE BOOKER PART. IT USED TO BE PERKINS. OH YEAH. NO, I HAVE ELEMENTARY. NO HISTORY THERE AT ALL. I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND LET THEM CONVEY THAT

[00:25:02]

MAYOR, I'D BE GLAD TO GO AHEAD AND HANDLE THE NEXT ITEM AS WELL. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD EVENING AGAIN. WE PULLED THE ITEM FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT BETWEEN NEXTERA ENERGY FOUNDATION AND THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. ACTUALLY, JUST SO WE CAN UPDATE YOU ON A LITTLE BIT OF HAPPY NEWS RELATING TO THE TO IT. JUST FIRST, THE BACKGROUND, AS YOU'LL RECALL FROM YOUR JUNE 25TH COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL APPROVED AND GAVE DIRECTION FOR THE CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT FROM FPL NEXTERA ENERGY FOUNDATION TO BE REVIEWED BY MY OFFICE. I MADE SOME REVISIONS TO MAKE IT CONFORM TO FLORIDA LAW AND GOT IT ALL TOGETHER HERE IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM. IF YOU'LL RECALL, IT CONTEMPLATED. $250,000 BEING PAID OUT, 50,000 A YEAR OVER FIVE YEARS FOR TARGETED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE VILLAGE'S PUBLIC SPORTS FIELDS AND FACILITIES. THE HAPPY NEWS I HAVE TO REPORT IS THAT THAT NEXTERA ENERGY FOUNDATION HAS REACHED OUT JUST VERY RECENTLY AND ADVISED THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING AND ARE AGREEABLE TO PAYING OUT THE ENTIRE 250 000 RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY OF THAT GOING OVER FIVE YEARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

LET US GET THE PROJECTS GOING. AND YEAH, AND SO A VERY, VERY MINOR TWEAK TO THE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN MADE. YOU HAVE A COPY THERE. THE MAIN RED LINE IS JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL PAY IT 250,000 OVER WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS OVER TO FPL AND NEXTERA FOUNDATION FOR THEM TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK IT. BUT THEY HAVE APPROVED THE CONCEPT, SO I DOUBT THERE'LL BE A FIDDLE OF ANY LANGUAGE, BUT IT WILL BE THESE BUSINESS TERMS IN ANY EVENT. SO WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE VILLAGE COUNCIL APPROVE THE CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT BETWEEN NEXTERA ENERGY FOUNDATION AND THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, SUBJECT TO ANY MINOR TWEAKS TO THE SAME POINT THAT MAY COME BACK FROM FPL. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT. WE APPROVE. OKAY, WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. DON'T DO PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR. WE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE. I SECOND AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

I'M SORRY IF I IF I CAN BACK YOU GUYS UP ON THE THE PROPERTY ACQUISITION FROM THE THE CRA PROPERTY. I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. I DIDN'T GET A CONSENSUS. SO ALL IN FAVOR ON THAT ONE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. THANK YOU. AND SHE KEEPS YOU IN LINE. SHE DO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DOING HER JOB. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. THAT'S IT I

[DISCUSSION ITEMS]

AND SO WHEN THEY MEET NEXT TIME, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THEIR AGENDA FOR FOR APPROVAL OR CONSIDERATION, AND THEN IT WILL COME TO YOU. OKAY. HELP ME REMEMBER, WHY DO WE NEED PARKS AND RECREATION TO APPROVE IT, TO APPROVE THE TRUST FUND? WELL, IT'S AN ADVISORY BOARD. OKAY.

MOST OF THE GRANT AWARDS, IF YOU WILL, WERE FOR NOT ONLY SPORT RELATED PROGRAMS, BUT PROGRAMS THAT, YOU KNOW, HELP THE COMMUNITY FOR DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO SINCE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE ADVISORY BOARD INITIALLY GOING INTO THIS AND NOW THAT YOU DO, I THOUGHT IT ME, I THOUGHT BECAUSE I KICKED THE OVERSIGHT OF THAT FROM MY DESK TO PARKS AND REC. AND SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD LOOK AT IT AS WELL. OKAY, OKAY. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GROUP THAT WAS CHOSEN TO, OR THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS CHOSEN TO MAKE DECISIONS AND PULL OUT THE ONE, THE APPLICATIONS THAT WOULD WORK AND WOULDN'T WORK, ARE THEY NULL AND VOID NOW? IS THAT COMMITTEE? NO, I IN MY MIND, AND WE WILL BE BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVES IS THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS, ONCE WE GET THE THE NEW OR THE REVISED PARAMETERS IN PLACE, THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD THEN THEY WERE STRUGGLING TO BECAUSE

[00:30:03]

I GUESS I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED. I'M SORRY. SO PARKS AND REC BOARD WOULD MAKE WHAT DECISION TO PASS TO THE MEMBERS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY I'M I'M THERE'S REVISED LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED. OKAY. AND THAT MR. VOSS PUT TOGETHER THAT STAFF PUT TOGETHER IN DIALOG WITH OTHERS. YES. AND AND SEND IT TO MR. BOSS. AND HE GAVE US THE LEASE ON IT. AND NOW WE WOULD WANT. WE'RE. OUR INTENT WAS TO TAKE IT TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD FOR ANY COMMENTS OR INPUT THAT THEY MIGHT WOULD HAVE ABOUT IT, AND THEN IT WILL COME TO YOU FOR APPROVAL THEN. I'M SORRY, BUT THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. IT IT IT I'M. AND I'M SAYING IF IF THE COMMITTEE ALREADY DID THE WORK AND AND SAID DID EVERYTHING AND THE AND THE COMMITTEE APPROVED EVERYTHING THAT WAS WAS THERE, THEN WE TAKE THEN WE SAY HERE PARKS AND REC, YOU ALL LOOK AT IT TOO. I, I I'M NOT I'M. UNLESS SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE ON THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE THE REVISION BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY ONE REVISION THAT I CAN RECALL. YOU MAY REMEMBER SOME MORE, BUT I ONLY RECALL THAT F P AND L WANTED TWO OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES. OKAY, SO EVERYTHING. WHAT ELSE WAS. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING NOW, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS FINE EXCEPT FOR THAT THAT SMALL COMPONENT. SO IF WE GOT THEM, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THEY SAYING? DID THEY NOT LIKE WHAT THE COMMITTEE SUGGESTED, RECOMMEND IT? AND IF THEY DIDN'T, THEN WE NEED TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY. SO THEN THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE CAN SAY, GO, GO BACK AND MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES. AND IN MY MIND, I REALLY CAN'T SEE WHAT PARKS AND REC HAVE TO DO WITH IT UNLESS THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE DIDN'T GET. IT'S PRIMARILY BEING THE STAFF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO ORGANIZE THE GROUP AND TO GO THROUGH THE GRANT PROCESS AND TO GO THROUGH REVIEW AND TO GET THOSE, AGAIN, ORGANIZED. THE FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT, WHEN I REACHED OUT TO THEM AND TRY AND, YOU KNOW, SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT REPRESENTATION ON THERE, THEY KICKED BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN VARIOUS DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO PUT ON HERE. AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE'D HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THEIR. THEY WERE, FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, AND I DIDN'T WAS NOT AT THE MEETINGS. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A NOT CLEAR DIRECTION AS FAR AS WHAT PROGRAMS OR PROJECTS THAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED THROUGH THE GRANT PROCESS MET THE CRITERIA. AND WE BELIEVED THAT THERE SHOULD BE, IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS WAS GOING TO GO INITIALLY BEFORE THEY. WE GOT THE SECOND BEFORE THEY EXTENDED THE MILLION DOLLARS, IT WAS GOING TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION. AND IN THAT CONVERSATION OF THE FUNDING GOING TO THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION TO TO HAVE OVERSIGHT OF THAT AND HAVE IT BE PART OF THEIR GRANT. WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PARAMETERS AND HOW THE PARAMETERS SHOULD BE BETTER STRUCTURED. AND THEN THEY CAME FORWARD AND SAID, WE'VE CHANGED OUR MIND. THE, THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION. DIDN'T DIDN'T HAVE IT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED THERE. THERE WAS A HICCUP OF SOME SORT. BUT ANYWAYS, F P AND L CAME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BACK IN THE GAME. AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I SAID, OKAY, WE NEED TWO PEOPLE. AND THEY DIDN'T. THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH AND FINALLY CAME BACK AND SAID, THEY'RE NOT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY NECESSARILY THAT SHOULD SIT ON THERE. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE WERE STILL HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT REVISING THE THE PROGRAM, IF YOU WILL, IN THE PARAMETERS AND BRINGING THAT BACK FOR APPROVAL.

AND, AND IT WAS ME THAT SAID WHAT WOULD BE NICE BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO THE COUNCIL, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER ENTITY THAT COULD HAVE SOME EYES ON IT AND, AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ACCORDINGLY OR AGREE THAT THE CHANGES THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED WERE. AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, I'M ALSO HEARING, WELL, WHAT DOES THE PRAB DO? YOU KNOW, OUR WHAT KIND OF. AND

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WELL, I TALKED TO THEM AS WELL. AND JAMIE SEEMED CLUELESS ABOUT WHAT WAS WHAT. AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO CALL YOU. SO ALL THE BACK AND FORTH, I, I THINK. NEED TO STOP. AND THEN SOME THINGS ARE JUST NOT TRUE. AND A LOT OF THINGS WERE SAID TO THE. THE REC WAS NOT TRUE. THERE WAS NO MEETING. THERE WAS NONE OF THAT. I WAS THERE AT THAT MEETING. AND I SAID THAT LINDA NICOLE WAS AT THAT MEETING. SO IF WE WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR, IF IF WE WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING, IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. YOU KNOW, WE WORKED ON IT, AND I DON'T THINK IT NEED TO OVERSIGHT OR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE OTHER COMMITTEE. WE ARE CAPABLE OF IT. AND WE DID IT AND WE WORKED TIRELESSLY. SO WE I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS ANOTHER SET OF EYES ON IT. IN THE PAST, IT THE COMMITTEE DID IT. THEY BROUGHT IT TO THE COUNCIL. END OF STORY. ALL THIS EXTRA STUFF IS MORE WORK FROM YOU FOR YOU ALL THE STAFF AND.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING STAFF IS ALREADY OVERWORKED. SO WHY EVEN DO THAT? AND I YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I, I THINK THAT IT'S JUST GOING AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND AND NOTHING HAS GOTTEN DONE. AND, AND HONESTLY, WE PUT THIS THING OUT AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT US LIKE, WHAT'S THE COUNCIL DOING ABOUT THIS? SO I'M JUST SAYING, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNCIL JUST FORGET ALL OF THAT EXTRA STUFF, DEAL WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

LET'S THEY ALREADY SAID THEY DON'T WANT THE TWO PEOPLE. OKAY. EVERYTHING THE THE GROUNDWORK IS DONE. AND PART OF PART PART OF THE CONCERN WAS LAST YEAR THIS COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF FUNDING INTO RESERVES. WHEN THIS COMMITTEE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED GOT TOGETHER, THEY SPENT THOSE RESERVES WITHOUT THE AUTHORIZATION OF THIS COUNCIL, AND THEY ALMOST EVERY DIME IN THAT FUND WAS BEING ALLOCATED.

AND SO THAT WAS A STRUGGLE FOR STAFF, QUITE HONESTLY, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD BEEN COMMUNICATED THAT THOSE RESERVES HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO IT'S THAT THAT KIND OF LACK OF WELL, WHO GAVE THEM PERMISSION TO SPEND IT? DID THE COMMITTEE KNOW THE COMMITTEE THEMSELVES MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO SPEND IT, MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO, TO TO SPEND IT ON WHAT, THROUGH THEIR GRANT ALLOCATIONS THAT THEY WERE THEY WERE RECOMMENDING BE APPROVED. WERE THEY GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY COULD SPEND WHEN THEY STARTED? I, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES OR NOT SPEND, BUT DISTRIBUTE. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES. I DON'T YEAH, YEAH. COME ON. I WAS GOING TO SAY WHO WAS HERE. COME ON. BECAUSE I THINK LINDA WAS THE ONE WHO GAVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO PUT IT IN RESERVE. OKAY. YEAH. FOR THE RECORD, LINDA NYCUM, THE THE, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT ON HOW WE WERE GOING TO FUND THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS WAS CHANGED. THERE WERE SOME THERE WERE SOME AMENDMENTS MADE. ONE OF THEM WAS THAT THE GRANTS TO THESE GROUPS WOULD BE ONLY REIMBURSABLE THE YEAR BEFORE. WE HAD MADE THEM NOT REIMBURSABLE. THEY. WE WOULD GIVE THEM THE MONEY FIRST AND THEN GET GET OUR THE BACKUP FOR WHAT THEY SPENT IT ON. SO ONE OF THE CHANGES IS TO MAKE IT A TOTALLY REIMBURSABLE GRANT. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE WORDING IN THE ORIGINAL PAPERWORK FROM COGEN. YES. BUT SOMEWHERE OVER THE YEARS WE WE CHANGED THAT.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS CHANGED WAS IF I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT, IT'S GOING DOWN THERE. THE. I TOTALLY LOST IT. THE THE THE COMMITTEE. WE DID NOT SPEND EVERYTHING THAT WAS AVAILABLE. WE WE WERE TOLD THERE WAS $130,000 AVAILABLE. WE EARMARKED THE, I THINK THE 24, 25,000 THAT WE HAD SALVAGED FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE THAT WE

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WE ALL WANT SOME. AND AND THEN IT'S PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE BECAUSE THEY I'M SURE THEY GET A LOT OF REALLY GOOD APPLICATIONS AND THEY WANT TO HELP EVERYBODY. BUT WE DO NEED TO LIMIT THAT. WELL, TWO YEARS AGO, WE. THE ENDING COMMITTEE ENDED UP JUST BEING TEARING THEM MYSELF. THIS WAS ON OUR TABLE TO RESERVE THAT 25%. I MEAN, THAT WAS A DECISION THAT THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE MADE, BUT IT STILL REMAINED IN THE THE SAME BANK ACCOUNT, SO TO SPEAK. AND WHEN WE WERE GIVEN THE TOTAL INTEREST OF WHAT'S IN THAT BANK ACCOUNT THAT INCLUDED THAT THAT RESERVE FROM THE LAST YEAR, WE WE KIND OF DID IT ON OUR OWN WITH THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE HAD WE WE KNEW WE WERE ALLOWED, PER THE COGEN AGREEMENT, TO DO SO. AND WE WE WANTED TO WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT POINT WHETHER FPL WAS GOING TO RENEW THAT MILLION DOLLARS. SO WE WANTED SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD START SEED MONEY FOR OUR OWN. IF IF THAT IF IT WAS GOING TO COME TO THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS SOMETHING WE DECIDED IN, IN A COMMITTEE. IT WAS, AND I BELIEVE THAT 25% HOLD WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL AT THE AT THE NEXT MEETING, IT WAS, I REMEMBER THAT. SO FOR THIS YEAR, AGAIN, WE WE WE TRIED TO CARVE THAT OUT. WE TRIED TO GO THROUGH AND, AND PICK THE GRANTS APART AS WELL AS WE COULD. BUT SO THIS, THIS LIMIT WOULD HAVE BEEN $97,500 WOULD BE THE MAX YOU COULD ALLOCATE AT $130,000 OF, OF INTEREST, NOT INCLUDING THE 24 IN RESERVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO ADD THAT IN RIGHT NOW. IT'S 20. IT'S 25% WE CAN HOLD FOR EACH YEAR, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THAT ALLOCATION SHOULD NOT EXCEED 97.5. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MIKE. BUT THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALL AT HOME IN MY BINDER. THEY'RE NOT ALL UP IN MY HEAD. YEAH. I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO REMEMBER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, MIKE, WHAT ARE THE LOGISTICS OF MOVING THE 25% INTO A SAVINGS ACCOUNT THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN THE TRUST FUND ACCOUNT SO THAT THEY CAN SEE A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT? LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IF 130,000 INTEREST CAME IN, WE PUT 975 IN THEIR BUCKET AND THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN ALLOCATE. SO IT JUST TAKES AWAY THE CONFUSION IS THAT THAT'S EASY TO DO. THAT'S NOT IT'S EASY TO DO. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF TO CAN I JUMP IN JUST ONE THING? BECAUSE ONE THING I JUST WANT TO OFFER JUST FOR THE PRACTICAL WAYS THAT THAT BANKING IS DONE AND ACCOUNTING IS DONE FOR MUNICIPALITIES AND SO ON. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO GET US TWISTED IN KNOTS AND MAKING MIKE HAVING TO SET UP A SEPARATE ACCOUNT BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE. YEAH, JUST IT WOULD JUST BE WITHIN ALLOCATED WITHIN, WITHIN OUR INTERNAL, WITHIN THE LEDGER. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. VERY GOOD.

YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T MEAN OPEN SEPARATE ACCOUNT, JUST SORT IT OUT ON THE LEDGER THAT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. YEAH. NO, I'VE LITERALLY SEEN SITUATIONS WHERE, WHERE COUNCILS HAVE WALKED THEMSELVES INTO SETTING UP A SECOND, JUST ALLOCATE IT DIFFERENTLY SO THAT THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S AVAILABLE EACH YEAR. YEAH. SO DO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THIS, BUT I AM A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AS WELL AS TO WHY PARKS AND REC NEEDED TO GET INVOLVED. I HEAR I HEARD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT DID WE HAVE A COMMITTEE THIS YEAR THAT WORKED THROUGH THIS? THANK YOU. MIKE. OKAY, SO HAVE THAT COMMITTEE BRING US THE INFORMATION. I DON'T SEE A REASON TO HAVE. WE CAN REVIEW AN AGENDA ITEM WAS PUT TOGETHER AND THE GRANTS WERE ON THAT AGENDA ITEM. AND MY RECOLLECTION FROM WHAT I SAW ON THE AGENDA ITEM WAS ALL THE FUNDING WAS BEING UTILIZED. AND THERE WERE. AND BECAUSE WE LIMITED OURSELVES TO 5000 THE YEAR BEFORE, THE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMITTEE HAD THAT

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THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. GO AHEAD. OKAY. THIS TRUST FUND EXISTED PRIOR TO THE INCORPORATION. THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR INDIAN TOWN ON THAT TRUST FUND COMMITTEE WAS ANTHONY DOWLING AND ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS AFTER INCORPORATION, ANTHONY PROPOSED TO THE COUNCIL THAT IT NOT BE REIMBURSABLE. I BELIEVE THAT WAS 2019 AND THE COUNCIL VOTED THEN THAT IT WOULD NOT BE REIMBURSABLE, AND IT HAS NOT BEEN RE REIMBURSABLE EVER SINCE THEN, UNTIL IT WAS CHANGED THIS YEAR AFTER THEY HAD ALREADY MADE THE AFTER THEY HAD MET.

THAT WAS PART OF THE NEW REGULATIONS. BUT I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, IT'S GOT TO BE A COUNCIL VOTE TO CHANGE IT. THAT. ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FORWARD THAT'S TRYING TO GET TO THE PRAB THAT WOULD THEN COME TO THIS COUNCIL FOR. BUT THAT AND THAT'S NO AMBIGUOUS. THE REASON FOR THE RECOMMENDATION IS BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE HAD A COUPLE OF GRANTS THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO RECONCILE, AND THERE IS NO MECHANISM TO GET THOSE FUNDS REIMBURSED, AND THAT IS. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

THAT'S HOW IT CAME TO BE TO NOT REIMBURSE IT. IT WAS A COUNCIL DECISION YEARS AGO. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO LET ME BASED ON YOUR COMMENT, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT GOT THESE GRANTS AND DID NOT USE THEM APPROPRIATELY, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THEY EITHER DIDN'T FINISH USING THEM OR THE THE RECONCILIATION WAS WAS DIDN'T TIE OUT. SO THEY DIDN'T TURN IN THEIR RECEIPTS OR THEY DIDN'T SHOW WHAT THEY SPENT IT ON. DOCUMENTATION WAS, YEAH, OKAY. SO WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT. OKAY. LET ME JUST BE VERY, VERY CLEAR. I ONLY KNEW AND I SPOKE IT THAT NIGHT. YES, MA'AM.

I'M SORRY. I, I SPOKE AT THE NIGHT. THERE WAS ONE ONE IN THAT MEETING. THERE WAS ONE ENTITY, OKAY, THAT THEY HAD TO THEY HAD TO THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. ONLY ONE. OKAY. NOW TO GO BACK TOWARD WHAT MISS CRYSTAL SAID THERE ABOUT THE. THERE WAS A

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SHE HAD CERTIFIED RETIRED AND CURRENT EDUCATORS TO RUN THAT PROGRAM. SO WHAT AGAIN, WE.

WHAT MISS CLAUDIA SAID AND AND, AND TO THE VICE MAYOR, IF WE'RE IF WE'RE THE PEOPLE COME, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR HELP. AND ONE, ONE ENTITY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, DID NOT DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. EVERYBODY SHOULDN'T BE PUNISHED BECAUSE ONE ENTITY DIDN'T DO WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO. IT FINALLY GAVE BACK THE MONEY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT I'M STILL SAYING THIS RIGHT HERE. WE NEED TO FINISH OUT WHAT WHAT WE STARTED. WE NEED TO PUT THAT TO BED. AND IF WITHOUT THE REC, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, OKAY? THEY THEY REALLY DON'T. AFTER THIS IS IS LAID TO REST. AND IF THERE'S SOME NEW INFORMATION, SOME PARAMETERS, THEN WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AT THAT TIME. OKAY, CALL A MEETING.

AND WE NEED TO SAY, WELL, THIS IS THIS, YOU KNOW, LET THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH YOURSELF AND, AND THE, THE ATTORNEY, IF NECESSARY, DO THAT. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PUT TOGETHER AN AGENDA ITEM, VERY DETAILED, BRING IT TO THIS COUNCIL. AND IF YOU ALL WANT TO SAY THAT, IF YOU'RE FINE WITH THE THE PROGRAM AND, AND WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED AND YOU WANT TO ISSUE THEM THOSE MONIES, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. WELL, I DO THINK WE NEED TO CALL THOSE PERSONS, THOSE PEOPLE, BECAUSE SOME OF THE MONEY, THE MONIES THAT SOME OF THEM I KNEW WANTED WAS FOR SUMMER FOR THE KIDS, THEIR PROJECT IS DONE. THEY ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND GOT OTHER PEOPLE HELP. AND SO WE MAY NEED TO RECONVENE AND, AND SIT DOWN WITH THOSE APPLICANTS AND CALL THEM AND SEE, HEY, ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU WHAT IS GOING ON WITH YOUR PROGRAM? AND IF THEY STILL NEED THE MONEY, THEN THEY CAN PROVIDE PROOF THAT THEY STILL NEED IT. YOU KNOW, LIKE I KNOW WITH THE HAIR BRAIDER THEY, THEIR, THEIR PROGRAM IS DONE. SHE MAY NOT NEED THAT ANYMORE.

AND WE CAN'T. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN GIVE HER SOMETHING FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. BUT WE'RE HERE NOW, YOU KNOW, SO BUT WE WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. OKAY. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. IF SOMEBODY THAT WE GAVE MONEY TO DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THAT? THAT WAS NEVER CLARIFIED, QUITE HONESTLY. SO WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE THE ISSUE BECOMES DIFFICULT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A MECHANISM WHEREBY MONEY IS GIVEN, THEY HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO TURN IN RECORDS TO SUBSTANTIATE. THEY'VE DONE THE THINGS THEY SAY THEY WERE GOING TO SAY, AND THEN THE MONEY'S GONE AND THE RECORDS KIND OF PETER OUT NOT GETTING NOTHING BUT GETTING A LOT OF IT, BUT NOT EVERYTHING. AND AT THAT POINT IT GETS VERY, VERY, YEAH, VERY DIFFICULT TO DO MUCH ABOUT IT WHEN WE HAVE SOME EVIDENCE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS WERE DONE TO THAT END, EVERY LITTLE BIT OF, OF DOCUMENTATION WE WOULD OTHERWISE WANT FROM A GOVERNMENT PERSPECTIVE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT EVERY BIT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR WAS USED WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THAT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO POKE AND PROD TO GET TO 100%. SO THERE'S NOT MUCH, NOT MUCH TO DO OTHER THAN PUNISH IN A FUTURE YEAR AND SAY, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LETTING YOU APPLY AGAIN OR ANYTHING TO THIS END. THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER CITIES THAT YOU REPRESENT. THEY HAVE A ANYTHING LIKE THIS OR. SO THIS IS IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY UNIQUE WITH REGARD TO GRANT FUNDING OF MONEY JUST GOING OUT IN ANY EVENT, EITHER IN A, YOU KNOW, REIMBURSEMENT BASIS OR, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY GOING OUT BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE SCENARIO YOU HAVE OF, OF HAVING THIS TRUST FUND, WHICH THEY'RE PUBLIC FUNDS BECAUSE THEY'RE THEIR MONEY HELD BY THE, THE PUBLIC, BY A PUBLIC ENTITY THAT WE HAVE TO ADMINISTER, BUT IT'S NOT COMING FROM GENERAL TAX REVENUE AND SO ON. AND SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION WHEN YOU I WILL TELL YOU, AND THIS IS ANALOGOUS, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING WHEN YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE CRA'S COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCIES AND THEY HAVE GRANTS FOR FACADE GRANTS, SPENDING SOME MONEY TO REPAINT YOUR FRONT OR FIX UP YOUR FRONT. SO THINGS LOOK A LOT NICER AND SO ON. ALMOST ALWAYS, THOSE ARE ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS. YOU SPEND IT FIRST AND THEN YOU

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ABSOLUTELY. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SOLUTION. HOW MUCH? WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE OF THE ASKING AND WHAT WE PAID OUT? I DON'T KNOW, I IT WAS BEEN SUCH A LONG WHILE SINCE WE HAVEN'T PAID OUT THIS YEAR, BUT WE DID LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR IT WAS ONLY 5000 FOR EACH ONE, AND WE LIMITED IT BECAUSE WE HAD LIMITED FUNDS AND, AND. THAT WAS IT TO THE, TO THE MANAGER'S POINT JUST A SECOND AGO, AT SOME POINT IN DISCUSSIONS WHERE SPECIFICS MAY ELUCIDATE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO AS, AS TARYN INDICATED, BRING IT. YEAH, BRING IT TO YOU ALL AND SEE WHAT IT IS. AND IT MAY GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, ALL RIGHT. YEAH, GO AHEAD WITH ALL THOSE OR LET'S PUT PARAMETERS ON IT. BUT THEN WE'VE GOT SOME CONCRETE THINGS IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TO TALK. AND WE'LL MAKE CONTACT WITH EACH EVERY INDIVIDUAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, WANTING THAT TO GO FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. AND, AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I ONLY UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS ONE IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE STRAIGHTEN ME OUT. THERE WAS ONLY ONE ENTITY THAT THEY HAD TO REIMBURSE SOME FUNDS. AND IT WASN'T YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY MEAN THINGS TO THEM. THEY BROUGHT THAT. THEY BROUGHT BACK THE RECEIPTS OR THE FUNDING, WHATEVER IT WAS. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? THERE WAS ONE ENTITY THAT DID NOT SPEND ALL THEIR FUNDS THAT BROUGHT FUNDING BACK. YES. OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT GOT THE GROUP STARTED THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, HOW DO YOU PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN? AND SO LET'S JUST PUT AN ITEM TOGETHER AND THEN WE'LL, IT'LL BE ON YOUR AGENDA AND YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT ALL THE INFORMATION. OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU TERRY. OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. YES, SIR. YOU HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT ON THAT ITEM. MISTER PACHECO. MR. PACHECO YES. HERE AS A BOARD OF DIRECTORS CHAIRMAN. IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS GOING BEFORE WE GOT FORMED.

SO I'M WITH MISS PALMER AND I COULD ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER FOUR MEMBERS. I FEEL ME PERSONALLY, WHEN THIS COMES UP, I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF BECAUSE I FEEL ME PERSONALLY THAT IT'S JUST SUPPOSED TO BE BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND MISS LINDA. I DON'T SEE WHY I SHOULD BE MAKING DECISIONS. THE COUNCIL AND WHO MISS LINDA'S ORGANIZATION. I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT. OH, THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE. OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE BECAUSE WE WE THAT'S WHY WE MOVED THE TO THE NEXT SO WE COULD STUDY THIS MORE. AND ME SITTING HERE, I'M LEARNING THAT I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT I WAS JUST GOING TO DEAL WITH SPORTS AND BRING DEALING WITH SPORTS, NOT SEEING WHO'S GOING TO GET FUNDED OR NOT FUNDING WITH A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF. SO IF WE STILL DIRECT IS GOING TO STILL BE PART OF THIS, I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING DECISIONS AT THIS TIME. IT WOULD NOT BE COMING TO YOU. THAT'S NOT OKAY. YEAH, WE JUST REMOVED THAT. YEAH. OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE.

YES. YEAH. JUST MAKING SURE. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I MEAN, WE'RE MOVING ON PAST THIS. I, I HAVE MY MY PZA BOARD MEMBER. SHE SHE WAS REMOVED. WELL, SHE REMOVED HERSELF DUE TO SEVERE ILLNESS. SO I DO HAVE A PERSON THAT I WANT TO BE MY REP ON THE PCB BOARD. OKAY. AND HER NAME IS SHEILA ROSARIO. SHEILA. OH, EXCUSE ME. SHEILA. SHEILA. SHEILA. SHEILA. SHEILA. WE WE WE HAVE TALKED TO HER. SHE DID

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SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THESE FUNDS WAIT TILL JANUARY 1ST TO RECEIVE THEM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I WOULD SAY THAT WE THEY NEED TO BE CONTACTED TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION. IF IF OUR GUIDELINES ARE STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME OR IF THEY WANT US TO JUDGE THEM OFF OF THEIR PREVIOUS APPLICATION. I DISAGREE WITH THAT, MISS NICKUM THOSE PEOPLE PUT IN THEIR APPLICATION, THEY DID THE WORK. THEY DID EVERYTHING THAT WAS ASKED. IT WAS IT WAS US AND F, P AND L BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY APPROVED. ONLY THING I SEE MOVING FORWARD IS THAT WE CONTACT THOSE PEOPLE AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT WHAT THEY WAS LOOKING FOR OR, YOU KNOW, DO THEY STILL MEET THE CONDITIONS? DO THEY STILL WANT THAT THAT THAT WAS UNDER THE OLD THING.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE SOMETHING THAT THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT DID MEET EVERY CRITERIA. IT'S THAT'S NOT FAIR TO NOW WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ELSE. DO WE KNOW, THOUGH, THAT THAT ANY OF THOSE PREVIOUS APPLICANTS ARE STILL WAITING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO I KNOW SOME THAT ARE STILL WAITING. YEAH, THAT WAS WHAT I COMMUNICATED. WE WILL CHECK WITH THEM FIRST, AND THEN WE WILL PUT TOGETHER AN AGENDA ITEM AND BRING THAT BACK TO THIS COUNCIL. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT AS WELL. I AGREE WITH THAT. AND I'D LIKE TO KEEP EVERYTHING IN THE FISCAL YEAR IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN. I AGREE, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, MISS BARRIO. IS THAT YOUR LAST NAME? RIGHT, MR. MARIO? THANK YOU. GLORIA. OKAY.

THEY SAY THE NAME, Y'ALL. I'M SORRY. OH, WITH AN F FLORIO. FLORIO. YOU KNOW, I HAVE SPEECH ISSUES, SO. EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME. OH. NO PROBLEM. OKAY, I THINK I THINK I BELIEVE YOU CAN CORRECT ME THAT. YOU SAID LAST TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE RECORDS, PREVIOUS RECORDS, BUDGET RECORDS THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THEM. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HISTORICAL RECORDS? THE VILLAGE IN GENERAL? IT'S ABOUT THE INDIAN TOWN TRUST SPECIFICALLY. NO, NO, NOT INDIAN TOWN TRUST.

I DON'T MOVED ON. YEAH. THE THE LEGACY FINANCIAL SYSTEM THAT WAS IN PLACE WHEN I GOT HERE ONLY WENT BACK TO JULY OF 2020. THERE WAS NO RECORDS PRIOR TO THAT. THERE WAS SOME WORK PAPERS FROM CARL INGRAM FOR SOME WORK THEY HAD DONE TO THE VILLAGE FROM 2018 TO 2019, BUT THERE WERE NO ACTUAL FINANCIAL RECORDS OTHER THAN LIKE HISTORICAL PAYMENT DOCUMENTS,

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THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. OKAY. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANGELINA TO GET BACK. THERE WE GO. OH, ANGELINA. HISTORICALLY, WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR ANGELINA? FOR HER? THE FOOD THING. SHE MOVED AWAY. OH, WAIT FOR HER TO GET BACK. I KNOW SHE IS WORKING ON A TEACHER APPRECIATION BREAKFAST. I THINK I BELIEVE IT IS THAT SHE'S COORDINATING. WAIT FOR YOUR ANNOUNCEMENTS, GERM. WARFARE ELEMENTARY 100 YEARS. IT'S OKAY. THAT'S WHAT PEPSI

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