Apr 24, 2025 Regular Meeting

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IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A LAWYER? FOR? MAYOR DEPAOLO FOR THAT COUNCIL

[CALL TO ORDER]

YOU'LL HAVE ACTUALLY THREE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK. THE FIRST WILL BE DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SEGMENT, WHICH YOU CAN COMMENT ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN AGENDA ITEM. YOUR SECOND OPPORTUNITY WILL BE DURING DISCUSSION OF AGENDA ITEMS, AND YOUR THIRD WILL BE AT THE END OF THE MEETING. WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION THERE, WHICH IS ANOTHER THREE MINUTES. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK ALL THREE YOU GET NINE MINUTES TO SPEAK. SO. SO IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, THERE ARE CARDS ON THE BACK TABLE BACK THERE. PLEASE FILL THEM OUT AND HAND IT TO THE CLERK. THIS TIME I'LL ASK YOU TO STAND FOR THE INVOCATION GIVEN BY PASTOR GEORGE PALMER, A SENIOR, AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU. MR. PASTOR SEAMUS. YEAH, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PASTOR HERE BECAUSE PASTOR PALMER COULDN'T MAKE IT THIS EVENING. SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, SIR, WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, OKAY? THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. SO PRAY, HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO BE PART OF A COMMUNITY THAT CARES ABOUT PEOPLE. WE THANK YOU FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARE HERE TO SERVE, AND WE THANK YOU, GOD THAT WE ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO NOT JUST IDENTIFY PROBLEMS, BUT BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. SO, GOD, WE ASK FOR WISDOM BECAUSE DESPITE WHAT WE KNOW OR THINK WE KNOW, WE NEED YOUR HELP. AND FOR THAT WE GIVE YOU THANKS. IN JESUS'S NAME, AMEN, AMEN. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, MADAM

[ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, PULLED ITEMS OR OTHER MODIFICATIONS]

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THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE A FATHER FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO IS TRAINED, BACKGROUND CHECKED BECAUSE I KNOW IT TAKES A VILLAGE, BUT YOU HAVE TO BACKGROUND CHECK THE VILLAGES AND WE CONNECT THIS FATHER WITH THE CHILD. MAY I QUICKLY POINT OUT THIS IS NOT EHARMONY XCOM 2.0. WE'RE NOT CONNECTING MOM WITH THE CHILD. WE ASK DAD OR THE FATHER FIGURE TO GIVE AT LEAST ONE HOUR PER WEEK. AND THIS ONE HOUR DOESN'T HAVE TO BE USED IN ONE GO. IT COULD BE 15 MINUTES AT LUNCHTIME AT THE SCHOOL, IT COULD BE AN HOUR OR SPENT AT A GAME. JUST BEING THERE FOR THE FATHER, IT COULD BE SHOWING UP AT A SACK MEETING, WHICH, BY THE WAY, GETS HELD WHEN MOST DADS ARE AT WORK AND NOT ABLE TO COME. IT'S ALSO PARTNERING WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES. LET ME QUICKLY TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT. THERE'S AN AGENCY, AN EMPLOYER, THAT I HAVE CONNECTED WITH, AND I ASKED THE EMPLOYER, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ALLOW YOUR MALE STAFF ONE HOUR OFF PER WEEK AND INCLUDE THAT ONE HOUR IN THE 40 HOURS, SO YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO WRITE THE FATHER CHILD CONNECTION A CHECK, BUT YOU ALLOW THESE FATHERS ONE HOUR PER WEEK TO ATTEND A SCHOOL FUNCTION OR TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR CHILD, AND HE AGREED TO THAT. IF WE CAN HAVE THAT MODEL ADOPTED BY BUSINESSES, FATHERHOOD AND FATHERS IN THIS COMMUNITY WOULDN'T BE JUST SOMETHING. WE CELEBRATE THE THIRD SATURDAY IN JUNE, FATHERS DAY, AND THEN NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS. IT WOULD BECOME A FABRIC OF WHAT THIS COMMUNITY DOES. AND SO I'D LIKE YOUR SUPPORT TO LAUNCH THIS PROGRAM IN THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IT WILL WORK. AND I HAVE LOTS MORE TO SAY, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHO'S COMING IN A MINUTE. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FOR ME TO EMAIL SOME MORE DETAILS TO YOU, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. AND IF YOU ASK THE QUESTION, HOW CAN WE HELP? I WOULD SAY I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE WAYS AND THREE WAYS YOU CAN BECOME INVOLVED ONE, YOUR HOURS. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE ONE HOUR PER WEEK, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK. ONE HOUR PER WEEK TO START WEEK. WE'LL TAKE THAT. SO THAT'S YOUR HOURS.

NUMBER TWO, WE'LL TAKE YOUR DOLLARS BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY. AND THEN THIRDLY, WE'LL TAKE YOUR PRAISE BECAUSE WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED GOD'S HELP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

WONDERFUL PROGRAM. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. NEXT WILL BE A PROCLAMATION FOR BUILDING

[1) Proclamation for Building Safety Month]

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[2) Proclamation for Public Service Recognition Week]

PUBLIC SERVICE RECOGNITION, PUBLIC SAFETY RECOGNITION WEEK MAY 4TH THROUGH THE 10TH.

WHEREAS PUBLIC SERVANTS AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT DEDICATE THEIR TIME, TALENTS AND EFFORTS TO SERVING THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITIES, ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND ENSURING EFFECTIVE OPERATIONS OF PUBLIC PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. AND WHEREAS MILLIONS OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES WORK TIRELESSLY TO PROVIDE ESSENTIAL SERVICES SUCH AS PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, SOCIAL SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE, AND WHEREAS, THESE DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS EXEMPLIFY PROFESSIONALISM, INTEGRITY AND COMMITMENT, OFTEN GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO SERVE THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS AND IMPROVE THE WELL-BEING OF OUR SOCIETY. AND WHEREAS, PUBLIC SAFETY. PUBLIC SERVICE RECOGNITION WEEK CELEBRATE CELEBRATED ANNUALLY DURING THE FIRST FULL WEEK OF MAY, HONORS THE INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS OF PUBLIC SERVANTS AND ACKNOWLEDGES THEIR DEDICATION TO MAKING COMMUNITIES STRONGER, SAFER AND MORE INCLUSIVE. NOW, THEREFORE, CARMINE DIPAOLO, MAYOR VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN, DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 4TH THROUGH THE 10TH AS PUBLIC SERVICE RECOGNITION WEEK AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS TO CELEBRATE BY PARTICIPATING IN ACTIVITIES THAT PROMOTE SUSTAINABILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL AWARENESS AND THE PROTECTION OF OUR SHARED HOME. ANYBODY HERE TO ACCEPT ANY OF US? NO. YES. YES, SIR. OKAY. FOR OUR BUILDING SAFETY WE MONTH, WE HAVE RANDY ARCHIBALD, WHO IS OUR PERMIT TECHNICIAN. OUR HARD WORKING PERMIT TECHNICIAN. AND THEN WE HAVE. I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS LAST NAME. JOSH. JOSH. JOSH.

JOSH. SHELL FROM THE MARTIN COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. CHIEF SHELL. OKAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? HE WILL. I HAVE SOME WORDS. I'LL SAY ONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WE WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE. RANDY, ONE THING. ALL OF SILVER. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M.

COMING TO. SIGN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. ARE. DANGEROUS.

[3) Martin County Fire Rescue Quarterly Update]

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WE'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S COMING. SO EXCITING NEWS TO US THAT I JUST WANTED TO PASS ALONG TO YOU GUYS. SINCE I'VE BEEN HIRED 23 YEARS, IT'S THE SAME FIRE STATION THAT'S BEEN THERE.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED. A LITTLE BIT OF A FACELIFT. IT HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF BAYS WHERE WE PARK THE TRUCKS AND THE SAME AMOUNT OF BUNK ROOMS. BUT OUR TRUCKS HAVE GONE UP AND OUR PERSONNEL HAS GONE UP. WE HAVE OUTGROWN IT. WE HAVE TRUCKS IN THE PARKING LOT. YOU CAN SEE IT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY. SO FOR THE LONGEVITY OF THE TRUCKS, IT'S NOT GOOD. SO WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW WORKING TOWARDS A NEW FIRE STATION AND INDIAN TOWN. AND THIS WOULD BE THE LARGEST STATION THAT WE HAVE. IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT SEVEN BAYS RIGHT NOW, WHICH WOULD AFFORD US TO PUT ALL OF OUR TRUCKS INSIDE OF THE STATION. IT WOULD ALSO TAKE US FROM ROUGHLY EIGHT BUNK ROOMS TO 15 BUNK ROOMS, WHICH JUST AGAIN, THE PERSONNEL HAS DOUBLED IN WHAT IS NEEDED OUT HERE. PROBABLY SOME OF THE MOST EXCITING THINGS I WANTED TO PASS ALONG TO YOU GUYS IS THE LEVEL OF SUPERVISION WE'RE BRINGING UP BECAUSE OF WHAT'S NEEDED OUT HERE. WE JUST RECENTLY PROMOTED A BATTALION FOUR, WHICH MEANS THREE NEW BATTALION CHIEFS WERE PROMOTED.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE CITIZENS OUT HERE, IT'S THE HIGHEST LEVEL SUPERVISOR ON THE FIRE SIDE. SO THIS IS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT SHOWS UP ON THE HOUSE, FIRES, THE BRUSH FIRES, THE CAR ACCIDENTS. HIS JOB IS TO ORCHESTRATE A VERY ROUGH SITUATION WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE AND HIS EXPERIENCE, AND TO COORDINATE ALL THAT FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO THAT POSITION WILL BE STAFFED 24 HOURS A DAY OUT HERE. ALSO WITH THAT, WE'RE MOVING OUR EMS CAPTAIN OUT HERE PERMANENTLY, WHICH WAS NOT THE CURRENT SITUATION. SO SIMILAR TO THE BATTALION CHIEF THERE, THE HIGHEST RANKING OFFICER WHEN IT COMES TO THE EMS SIDE. SO DEALING WITH CARDIAC CALLS, STROKE CALLS, DIABETIC CALLS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE TO THOSE MEDICAL CALLS. AND IT'S JUST MORE SUPERVISION TO HELP. SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IS NEEDED OUT HERE, WE'RE BRINGING UP IN ANTICIPATION OF WHAT'S COMING OUT HERE. AND I WILL SAY WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. IF THERE'S ANYTHING, ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. WHERE WOULD THE STATION BE POTENTIALLY THAT'S STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW. THE LAST I HEARD THEY WERE LOOKING TOWARDS 609 AREA. OKAY. SO THAT'S STILL AGAIN THAT'S STILL BEING WORKED THROUGH. ALL RIGHT. FANTASTIC. YEAH. CHIEF. ALSO, I RAN INTO PRISCILLA WHO JUST GOT PROMOTED TO BK. AND JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THEY'VE MADE AN OFFICE AVAILABLE FOR THAT BATTALION COMMANDER IN THE EXISTING ANNEX, THE TAX COLLECTOR. THERE WAS AN EXTRA OFFICE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND OFF OF THAT GENERAL AREA.

SO THAT'S THEY DO HAVE AN OFFICE SET ASIDE FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, WHICH IS GREAT. BUT WE'VE KNOWN FOREVER THAT THIS STATION IS REALLY JUST IT'S ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE. YES. AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ALSO IS GROWING. SO BETWEEN THE TWO THEY'RE OUTGROWING THAT SPACE. AND CHIEF

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THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU KNOW, ONE OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR IS TO SPEED UP THE FOUR LANING OF 710. AND IN RESPECT TO THE TRAFFIC CRASHES, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DETAILED. LIST OF WHERE THESE ACCIDENTS HAVE OCCURRED. HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE TRANSPORTED. AND THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY TO HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE TRANSPORTED. YES.

AND HOW MANY FATALITIES WE'VE HAD, BECAUSE I SIT ON THE MPO BOARD AND I HAVE ASKED DOT TO COME IN AND DO THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY DID FOR THE MPO. SO THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOLID NUMBERS THAT WE COULD SIT HERE AND GIVE TO THEM TO TRY AND GET THEM TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS. NOW, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF WE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN WE CAN PULL THAT DATA AND GET IT. GET IT FOR YOU. THANK YOU. AND CHIEF, CAN WE ALSO AND MAYBE IT'S NOT AVAILABLE, BUT EVERY TIME YOU ALL RUN ON A CALL AND WE HAVE TO STAGE UP HOW MUCH. WHICH STATION IS STAGING UP. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE VALUE OF BEING PART OF THIS MARTIN COUNTY FIRE RESCUE SYSTEM IS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY, WHEN THEY ARE RUNNING THOSE CALLS, TO HAVE THOSE EXTRA RESOURCES STAGE UP SO THAT WHEN THAT NEXT CALL COMES, IT'S NOT IF WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO RESPOND IN A TIMELY FASHION. YEAH, I'M GOING TO EMAIL YOU THE DATA THAT I PULLED BECAUSE IT HAS ALL OF THAT. OKAY. AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE PALM CITY WEST STATION WILL FACTOR INTO THAT BECAUSE THEY WILL BE CLOSER OUT HERE TO ASSIST IN THOSE MOVE UP. SO IT'S A WIN WIN ONCE EVERYTHING ACTUALLY GETS MOVING OKAY.

PERFECT. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITIZENS OF MARTIN COUNTY ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE IN A FIRE DEPARTMENT, A FIRE RESCUE, BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH YOU GUYS FOR A LONG TIME. I'VE WATCHED EVERYBODY WORK, WORK TOGETHER. AND WE GOT THE MOST PROFESSIONAL, THE MOST PROFESSIONAL AND THE BEST ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY. I WOULD BE WILLING TO SAY, I WILL BET YOU THAT MARTIN COUNTY WILL BEAT OUT ANY OTHER COUNTY IN THE USA. SO BRING THAT MESSAGE BACK TO YOU GUYS, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY AND WE ALL APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE YOU'RE THERE WHEN THE MINUTES COUNT AND IT'S ALL ABOUT MINUTES. YEAH. MISS TARYN KNOWS OUR CURRENT FIRE

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AFTER YOU RECEIVE A CALL. THE TIME? HOW LONG IS IT? EIGHT MINUTES. NOW. THE GOAL IS SIX.

THE GOAL IS SIX. THE GOAL IS IT RIGHT NOW. SO RIGHT NOW IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE. BUT OUR ABSOLUTE GOAL IS 6 TO 8 MINUTES. BUT OBVIOUSLY DEPENDING ON THE FIRE STATION THE CLOSER YOU ARE WE'RE GOING TO MEET THAT VERSUS THE FARTHER AWAY FROM IT. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO, WHICH IS WHY THE PALM CITY WEST STATION IS BEING PUSHED, WHICH WILL HELP OUT HERE TO GET UNITS QUICKER OUT HERE FOR EMS CALLS, FIRE CALLS. THERE'S STANDARDS WE HAVE TO HIT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE MEETING THOSE EXPECTATIONS. ABSOLUTELY. GABBY. MIRACULOUS. YEAH. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANKS FOR BRINGING YOUR FAMILY TOO. IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY. OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. DO

[PUBLIC COMMENT (3 MINUTES EACH)]

THANK YOU MA'AM. NEXT IS MR. DOUG CALDWELL. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE, I JUST WANT TO COME IN AND HOPE YOU DIDN'T SET A BAD PRECEDENT FOR NOT HAVING A MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN LINDA SAID THAT I DIDN'T RESEARCH IT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS CANCELED OR WHO CANCELED IT. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO DO IN THE VILLAGE, IN GOVERNMENT.

YOU NEVER DONE. IF YOU'RE DONE, THEN WE ONLY NEED TO MEET ABOUT ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS. BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU NEED HELP, WHOEVER PUTS THE AGENDA TOGETHER, THEY NEED HELP PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER. AN OLD GUY FROM ANY WOULD WOULD PROBABLY PUT IT, PUT IT TOGETHER, HELP YOU PUT IT TOGETHER, AND I'LL IDENTIFY MYSELF AS DOUG CALDWELL. THAT'S GOING TO WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. JUST BE CAREFUL YOU DON'T SET PRECEDENT. THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK AND HAUNT YOU LATER ON. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT. OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANY COMMENTS? YES. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. IT'S SO GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN AND CONTINUE TO COME TO THE MEETINGS AND KEEP US IN YOUR PRAYERS THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO WHAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE VILLAGE.

AGAIN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. I HAVE A COUPLE

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BUT THE FIRST ONE I NEED IS FOR ME. I WANT THE RESULTS FROM THE STRATEGIC MEETING OR THE RETREAT THAT WE HAD ON MARCH 29TH, IF WE CAN GET THAT. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A CITIZEN WHO ASKED IF WE GOT ALL THE MONEY THAT WE NEEDED FOR THE WATER PLANT WHEN IF WE GOT THOSE FUNDS, HOW DO WE PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE INCREASE THAT WE VOTED TO AUTOMATICALLY APPEAR EVERY YEAR? SO EVERY YEAR WE PLAN TO INCREASE IT. SO THEY WANTED TO KNOW HOW DO WE PLAN TO DEAL WITH THAT, SINCE IT GOES ALONG WITH THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX WITH THE VILLAGE CLERK. I AM REQUESTING PLEASE, YOUR ASSISTANCE TO HELP REGISTER ME FOR THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, WHICH IS JUNE 6TH AND SEVENTH. THAT'S GOING TO BE IN BOCA. I SPOKE WITH THE VILLAGE MANAGER IN REFERENCE TO WE'RE QUICKLY APPROACHING HURRICANE SEASON, WHICH IS JUNE 1ST THROUGH THE 30TH OF NOVEMBER. I'VE ASKED THAT THE VILLAGE MANAGER WOULD INVESTIGATE OR SEEK DIFFERENT NOTIFICATION METHODS THAT WE CAN USE PRIOR TO THE DISASTER OR INCLEMENT WEATHER. THIS YEAR IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOVE AVERAGE FOR STORMS AND HURRICANES. THE STORMS SHOULD BE STRONGER AND THE HURRICANES MORE FREQUENT, SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY SO THAT WE CAN ARM OUR CITIZENS WITH SOME SENSE OF NOTIFICATION. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND NOW WE NEED TO TRY TO BE ABOUT IT. ON. NEXT SUNDAY. THIS SUNDAY IT IS OUR LAST. I TELL MY TOWN'S LAST MUSIC AT THE MARINA. IT IS FROM 3:00 UNTIL 6 P.M. IT IS STILL DRUMS WITH JIMMY. COME OUT AND ENJOY YOURSELF. THE ATMOSPHERE IS GREAT, THE ENVIRONMENT IS NICE. YOU GET TO MEET SOMEBODY THAT YOU PROBABLY NEVER MET OR TALK TO THEM. WHETHER YOU WANT TO TALK TO THEM OR NOT. YOU CAN SIT WHERE YOU LIKE. THERE ARE FOOD TRUCKS. THE FOOD IS GOOD. IT'S BYOB. JUST SIT OUT, HAVE A GOOD TIME AND GOOD WEATHER. THAT'S IT FOR ME, OKAY. ALL SET. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR QUESTION. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEANT ABOUT THE INCREASES AUTOMATICALLY INCREASING EACH YEAR. WHAT WERE YOU REFERRING TO FOR THE FOR THE WATER? MIKE, CAN YOU COME AND ADDRESS THAT PLEASE? IT'S THE RATES. IT'S THE RATE THAT INCREASES. YEAH. THE CONSUMPTION RATE OR THE CONSUMPTION RATE OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT. PLEASE. YEAH.

LAST YEAR I DON'T KNOW THE RESOLUTION NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DID A PRESENTATION ON THE COST OF SERVICE AND PRESENTED DATA RELATED TO A RATE STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED. AND AS PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID A RATE ADJUSTMENT ON WATER RATES AND SEWER RATES. WE INCREASED. WE HAD NOT HAD ANY RATE INCREASES NOW SINCE THE VILLAGE PURCHASED THE UTILITY IN 2020. AND IT WAS, I THINK SOME YEARS EVEN BEFORE THAT, BEFORE ANY TOWN COMPANY HAD DONE RATE ADJUSTMENTS. BUT WE WENT BASICALLY FOUR YEARS WITHOUT RATE INCREASES. SO WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENT, INCREASED WATER RATES, 20.5% FOR WATER AND ABOUT TEN AND A HALF FOR SEWER. IN THE RATE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED, WE DID INDEX FUTURE INCREASES TO A UTILITY MAINTENANCE BLS INDEX OUT THERE. BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS INDEX. THAT IS THE READING OF THE RESOLUTION WAS WE WOULD INCREASE RATES THE GREATER OF THAT INDEX, OR 3.5%, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. AND THAT IS PLANNED FOR ALL SUBSEQUENT YEARS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHERE WE STAND AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF ME IS IF WE GOT ALL THE MONEY THAT WE WANTED OR THAT WE WENT OUT TO GET GRANT MONEY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WOULD WE INCREASE? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE MONEY? WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS TO THAT QUESTION. I THINK THERE'S DIFFERENT FEES AND DIFFERENT COSTS THAT WE HAVE RELATED TO, TO THOSE RATES. SO THE ONE THING THAT WOULD LIKELY STAY STAGNANT IF WE HAD EVERYTHING THAT WE NEEDED COMPLETELY GRANT FUNDED WOULD BE CONNECTION FEES AND CAPITAL, CAPITAL OR SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEES. THE COST TO ADD CAPACITY FOR THE PURCHASE, CAPACITY FOR THE SYSTEM THAT WOULD LIKELY STAY UNCHANGED BECAUSE THE COST RECOVERY ON THAT IS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE.

THE COMPILATION OF GRANT FUNDED AND INTERNALLY FINANCED INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS ANOTHER STUDY THAT WE HAD DONE. THOSE COSTS WERE IDENTIFIED IN A PREVIOUS RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL, I THINK A COUPLE YEARS AGO NOW. THAT WOULD LIKELY STAY UNCHANGED. THE COST FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE WOULD CONTINUE TO INCREASE AT 3.5%.

AND FOR, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL REASONS. NUMBER ONE, THE COST OF COMMODITIES, GOODS AND SERVICES

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[COMMENTS BY VILLAGE MANAGER]

[APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

[CONSENT AGENDA]

IT WAS. I KNOW IT WASN'T ME. IT WAS SECOND BY WILLIAMS. PALMER, CORRECT. OH. I'M SORRY. SECOND BY WILLIAMS. COUNCILWOMAN WILLIAMS. PALMER. OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS

[5) RESOLUTION NO. 003-2025 -- A RESOLUTION OF THE VILLAGE COUNCIL OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA, CALLING A REFERENDUM PURSUANT TO SECTION 196.1995, FLORIDA STATUTES, ON THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE INDIANTOWN VILLAGE COUNCIL MAY GRANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTIONS WITHIN THE VILLAGE; PROVIDING FOR DIRECTION TO THE VILLAGE CLERK AND COORDINATION WITH THE MARTIN COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS; AND PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.]

THIS RESOLUTION WOULD BE THE RESOLUTION CALLING THAT REFERENDUM ELECTION. IT'S CONTEMPLATED TO BE HELD IN AUGUST. ON AUGUST 12TH, I BELIEVE, 2025. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS ON HOW THAT ELECTION, HOW PRECISELY HOW THAT ELECTION CAN BE HELD. AND SO YOUR MARTIN COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, VICKI DAVIS, HAS VOLUNTEERED TO BE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. AND SHE WAS GOING TO CHAT WITH YOU ABOUT SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS. AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN DISCUSS AND GIVE DIRECTION IN THE FINAL FORM OF WHAT THIS RESOLUTION WILL BE AND PROCEED FORWARD. AND SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOUR SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. WELL GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING. VICKI DAVIS MARTIN COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION ON THE

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SO AS I SAID, STATUTE DOES ALLOW FOR MAIL BALLOT ELECTIONS FOR MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL AS COUNTYWIDE. BUT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ADDRESS THE VILLAGE, THE GOVERNING BODY, WHICH IS YOURSELF, WOULD CALL FOR THE ELECTION. AND IF IT IF YOU DO DECIDE TO GO WITH A MAIL BALLOT ELECTION, THEN THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, IT BECOMES IN EFFECT THE SUPERVISORS ELECTION BECAUSE WE HOLD THE DATA, THE SIGNATURES FOR THE VOTERS THAT WOULD BE RECEIVING AND VOTING A BALLOT.

SO WHEN THEY COME BACK INTO US, WE WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THE SIGNATURES AND MAINTAIN THOSE BALLOTS. WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO SUBMIT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE DIVISION OF ELECTIONS, A PLAN FOR THE ELECTION ITSELF AND RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR THAT PLAN. WE'VE HAD ONE MAIL BALLOT ELECTION SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE IN 20 YEARS, AND THAT WAS FOR THE CITY OF STUART. I DON'T EVEN RECALL. IT WAS, OF COURSE, LANGUAGE. I DO RECALL WHAT IT WAS FOR. IT WAS ASKING THE VOTERS IF WHENEVER WATERFRONT PROPERTY CAME UP FOR SALE OR LEASE, DID IT GO BEFORE THE VOTERS? AND IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED FOR ANOTHER STATUTE THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO A MAIL BALLOT ELECTION IS THAT, OF COURSE WE ARE. MY OFFICE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE. I WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ELECTION. BUT THEN THE COST OF THE MAIL BALLOT ELECTION WOULD BE RESPONSIBILITY. SO WE'VE GOT SOME COSTS PROJECTED. JUST THE BASIC COST IN. AND THIS CAN FLUCTUATE. IT COULD BE IT COULD BE LESS. IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE. BASIC COST WOULD BE $3,635. BALLOT PRINTING POSTAGE. PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE ELECTION WHICH IS REQUIRED. CANVASING BOARD. WE WOULD MEET ONE DAY TO RUN THE BALLOTS AND VERIFY VERIFY THE TOTALS. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE $135 FOR EMPLOYEE SUPPORT. THAT WOULD BE FOR OVERTIME. YOU DO HAVE OPTIONS.

ATTORNEY VOSS AND MYSELF, WE BOTH STRUGGLED WITH THE FACT WE HAD A MEETING OF THE MINDS BECAUSE I WAS STRUGGLING. VOTERS ARE USED TO VOTING BY MAIL, AND THOSE VOTERS ARE ALSO USED TO DROPPING A BALLOT OFF. YOU'RE IN A VERY RURAL AREA OF OUR COUNTY, AND I WOULD FEEL BADLY IF VOTERS DID NOT HAVE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DROP OFF A VOTED BALLOT WITHOUT HAVING TO COME ALL THE WAY INTO STEWART, TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE. WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATUTE TO HAVE A BALLOT BOX AVAILABLE. SO IF VOTERS ARE IN MARTIN COUNTY, AS SOON AS BALLOTS GO OUT IN THE MAIL, THEY'RE VOTED. THEY CAN COME INTO STEWART. IF THEY'RE IN THE AREA, DROP THEM OFF AT THE OFFICE. I WASN'T SURE IF WE COULD, BECAUSE OF THE STRINGENT STATUTES THAT ARE NOW IN PLACE

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YOU COULD DECIDE HOW MANY DAYS I HAVE DOWN FIVE DAYS. WE HAVE TO TREAT IT LIKE EARLY VOTING, A MINIMUM OF EARLY VOTING IS EIGHT DAYS. I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD NEED IT ON THE WEEKENDS SO MUCH I MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE IT HERE IN THE OFFICE. I WOULD STATION A POLL WORKER THERE DURING DURING THE HOURS OF 8 A.M. TO 4 P.M. FOR VOTERS TO DROP OFF THEIR BALLOTS, $112 PER DAY, BUT YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION REGARDING WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE. AND ALSO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT PREPAID RETURN POSTAGE ENVELOPES. AND WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE LEFT OVER FROM COVID DAYS. AND I HAVE WELL, I THINK THERE'S A COPY. THE OTHER ONE HERE THAT WOULD BE THE PREPAID POSTAGE. IT DOES COST MORE FOR THOSE BALLOTS TO BE RETURNED BECAUSE IT'S BUSINESS. REPLY.

AND THEY TACK ON THE POST OFFICE TAX ON A HANDLING CHARGE. SO IT'S CLOSE TO $2 A BALLOT FOR THE RETURN. IF YOU IF YOU DID DECIDE TO HAVE THEM MAILED $2 PER PER ENVELOPE PER BALLOT. SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IF YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH AN ALL MAIL BALLOT ELECTION, IF YOU WENT WITH A OH, I'M GOING BACKWARDS, SORRY. IF YOU WENT WITH A STANDALONE ELECTION PRECINCT BASED, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE. BECAUSE OF POLL WORKERS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT THE PRECINCT ON ELECTION DAY. DELIVERY OF THE EQUIPMENT, SUPPORT FROM FROM MY STAFF. SO IT'S WHAT, THOUSAND? I THINK $1,000 ADDITIONAL FROM A MAIL BALLOT. WITHOUT THOSE OPTIONS, I DID NOT I FAILED TO SITTING THERE, I THOUGHT, OH MY GOODNESS, I DIDN'T INCLUDE IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE EARLY VOTING FOR A STANDALONE ELECTION, YOU CAN HAVE THAT. I WOULD PLAN ON ABOUT $600 PER DAY FOR THE POLL WORKERS, AND THAT'S A MINIMUM OF THREE POLL WORKERS, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY DAYS YOU MIGHT DECIDE TO HAVE IT. SO THAT'S THE MAIL BALLOT ENVELOPE. THAT'S THE STATUTE REGARDING BALLOT DROP OFF. AND MY RECOMMENDATION IF YOU DO DECIDE TO HAVE AN ALL MAIL BALLOT ELECTION, ELECTION DAY, AS ATTORNEY VOSS SHARED, WOULD BE AUGUST 12TH, DROP OFF DAYS WOULD BE HERE AT TOWN, AT THE TOWN HALL FROM FOR FIVE DAYS FROM MONDAY, AUGUST THE 4TH THROUGH FRIDAY, AUGUST THE 8TH, 8 A.M. TO 4 P.M, ENDING IT AT 4 P.M. STATUTE REQUIRES THE BALLOTS TO GO BACK TO THE ELECTIONS OFFICE ON A DAILY BASIS, SO IF IT ENDED AT FOUR, MY STAFF COULD BE OUT HERE AT FOUR, PICK UP THE BALLOTS AND TAKE THEM BACK TO THE OFFICE. SO ANY QUESTIONS I HAVE QUESTION THAT THAT COST FOR THE $4,600 WAS NOT INCLUDING THE MAIL RETURN ENVELOPES. THE 600 WOULD BE FOR EARLY VOTING FOR A STANDALONE FOR THE MAIL MAIL BACK ENVELOPES. THEY WERE $2 APIECE. 4600 DID NOT INCLUDE THAT COST. YES. YES, THAT THAT'S UNDER THE OPTIONS. OKAY. BUT WE DON'T NEED SOMEBODY FIVE DAYS A WEEK STANDING HERE EITHER. WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THAT. RIGHT YOU ARE. YES YOU ARE. YES. YOU'RE REQUIRED. NOT NOT NOT ON THE MAIL END. IF WE DID THE MAILING. NO, NOT ON THE MAIL. NO, NOT ON THE MAIL END. $12 A DAY VERSUS $2 A BALLOT AT 5000 BALLOTS? NO, THE EXPENSE OF $2 IS ONLY FOR THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY

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THOSE ON THE RIGHT ARE FOR PRECINCT ELECTION. SO IF YOU LOOK YOU CAN SEE BALLOT PRINTING $550 FOR THE 20 FOR 2200 BALLOTS, POSTAGE TO GO OUT, 1650. THEN THE PUBLICATION OF A NOTICE WHICH IS REQUIRED BY STATUTE, A THOUSAND CANVASING BOARD COST $300 IN EMPLOYEE SUPPORT 135. SO THOSE ARE YOUR BASIC COSTS 3645 $35. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OPTIONS. THE DROP OFF HERE FOR FIVE DAYS, $560. AND IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE YOUR BALLOTS RETURNED, WE JUST DID A 10% RETURN, WHICH WOULD BE 211 BALLOTS WOULD BE, WELL, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOING THE MAILER, DOING THE MAILING, EVEN, IT'S GOING TO COST US $2 AT LEAST. IT'LL GIVE PEOPLE AN OPTION TO FILL THE THING OUT, BECAUSE BEING HERE FROM 8 TO 4, MOST PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM 8 TO 4. YEAH, I AGREE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE GOING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY SO THEY DON'T EVEN GET A CHANCE ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY TO COME IN AND DROP OFF A BALLOT OR COME IN AND VOTE. SO I THINK, I THINK THIS WOULD BE ACTUALLY FAIRER TO THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE AND NOT HAVE TO TAKE A HALF A DAY OFF TO COME DROP OFF THE BALLOT. WELL, THEY EVERYBODY, IF YOU HAVE AN ALL MAIL BALLOT ELECTION, EVERYBODY RECEIVES A BALLOT IN THE MAIL. EXACTLY. SO THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO EITHER PUT IT BACK IN THE MAIL OR DROP IT HERE FOR FIVE DAYS. OKAY. SO THEY COULD STILL DROP IT HERE FOR FIVE DAYS. YES. THAT'S A EITHER OR. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST OPENING IT UP AS A CONVENIENCE TO THE VOTER.

BUT THEN WE'D HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEBODY TO STAND HERE. YES OKAY. SO WHY DON'T WE JUST I MEAN, MYSELF, I'M THINKING JUST JUST SEND OUT THE BALLOTS AND HAVE THEM MAIL THEM BACK IN. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOW TURNOUT FOR VOTING PERIOD IN THIS AREA. IT'S VERY LOW. AND SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO GO TO THE VOTING POLL TO PUT THEIR VOTE IN, GET A STICKER AND SAY I VOTED. SO IF YOU JUST SAY MAIL IN, WHAT IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO FILL THAT OUT AND MAIL IT IN? OR WAS SOMEBODY DOING IT FOR HIM? OR IF THE SKY FALLS, I MEAN, AND WHAT IF BULLFROGS HAD WINGS? SO STOP WITH THAT ONE, OKAY? I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. IT SAYS BALLOT PRINTING 2200. BUT WE WERE WE WERE JUST TOLD THAT THERE'S 5000 REGISTERED VOTERS. NO, 2115. OH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. AND WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO PRINT MORE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A TEST DECK. I WAS THINKING IT WASN'T ENOUGH. FOR SOME REASON. I THOUGHT I SAW 5000 THERE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY. NO, MA'AM. OKAY. SO 2100, BASICALLY. SO THIS COVERS EVERYONE? YES, MA'AM. AND WE CAN JUST DO THIS, SEND IT AND LET THEM GET IT BACK IN THE MAIL. CORRECT. IT'S ONE THING YES OR NO. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT NEEDS.

IT'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE FILLED OUT EXTRAVAGANTLY. IT'S EITHER YOU'RE FOR IT OR YOU'RE AGAINST IT. CORRECT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ANYBODY WHO'S REALLY INTERESTED IN IT COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND PUT IT BACK IN THE MAIL. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED THE DROP OFF BOX, ESPECIALLY BETWEEN 8 AND 4. I DON'T SEE THOSE HOURS BEING CONVENIENT FOR MOST OF OUR COMMUNITY. THERE'S PROBABLY THOSE PROBABLY AREN'T REALLY GREAT HOURS. SO I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR ON THAT ONE. SO I'M THINKING WE JUST DO THE MAILING, OKAY. IF WE DO THE MAIL IN ONE

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ABSOLUTELY. AND LET ME ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION. SURE, SURE. ERNESTINE. JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR NOW WITH THE MAIL IN THERE, WOULD THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY? DID YOU SAY THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT HERE? IF YOU ALL DECIDE THAT'S THE DIRECTION I'M HEARING OVER HERE.

I'M SAYING IF THEY WOULD, IF THEY DID THE MAIL IN, IF THEY DIDN'T, IF THEY GOT IT AND THEY SAID, WELL, I WANT TO JUST DROP IT AT THE OFFICE, THAT THAT YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT. RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT. YES. NOW THE POST OFFICE PREPAID. THEY CAN THEY CAN. YEAH. DROP IT OFF.

IT'S PREPAID. THEY CAN DROP IT OFF AT MY OFFICE IF THEY'RE IN STUART. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE A BOX OUT IN THE OFFICE. THANK YOU. IF, IF, IF A SECURE BALLOT INTAKE STATION IS LEFT UNMANNED AT ANY POINT IN TIME, I AM SUBJECT TO A $25,000 CIVIL FINE PERSONALLY. SO IT'S MANNED AT ALL TIMES. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. IT'S ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW MYSELF. I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO GO. JUST THEY CAN DROP IT OFF AT THE POST OFFICE, OR THEY CAN PUT IT IN THE MAILBOX. I AGREE, I THINK THAT THEY CAN GET TO THE POST OFFICE. THE POST OFFICE IS SECURED ONCE IT'S OUT OF THEIR HANDS. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THAT POST OFFICE. THAT'S A SECURE WAY OF DOING IT. I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD JUST DO THE MAILER. IF IT WERE MORE THAT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT, MAYBE THEY'D WANT TO COME IN. BUT THIS IS REALLY VERY SIMPLE. ONE QUESTION, ONE QUESTION. RIGHT. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, TO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IN ELECTIONS IS ACCORDING TO FLORIDA LAW AND SOME FEDERAL LAW, FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES BALLOTS TO BE MAILED TO MILITARY AND OVERSEAS. I DIDN'T RUN A CHECK TO SEE IF YOU HAD ANY IN THAT CATEGORY, ANY VOTERS. BUT IF WE DO THOSE, THEY THEIR BALLOTS WOULD GO OUT JUNE 27TH, 45 DAYS PRIOR TO AUGUST THE 12TH, AND THEN THE REST OF THE BALLOTS WOULD BE PLACED IN THE MAIL ON JULY THE 3RD. SO. AND WE COULD HAVE 40 DAYS. WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO BE ABLE TO MESSAGE THROUGH THE WATER BILLS THAT LOOK OUT FOR YOUR BALLOT THAT'S COMING ON SUCH AND SUCH A DATE, RIGHT. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SENDING THEM A BALLOT. AND WE'RE DOING THIS REFERENDUM RIGHT. AND WE CAN PUT IT IN THAT AS WELL, THAT THE POSTAGE IS PREPAID. SO YOU CAN JUST DROP IT OFF. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR POSTAGE. DROP IT OFF AT THE POST OFFICE IN YOUR MAILBOX. YEAH. MAKES SENSE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A WINNER. OKAY. I HOPE THAT HELPED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. VOSS. DO WE MAKE A MOTION ON THIS TONIGHT OR JUST. YES. WHAT I WOULD IF THE DIRECTION IS TO PROCEED WITH THE MAIL BALLOT ELECTION, WITH THE OPTION OF HAVING THE POSTAGE SET UP TO BE PREPAID, THEN I NEED TO ADD ONE SENTENCE TO THIS RESOLUTION HERE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, INCLUDING COVERING PREPAID POSTAGE. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION. WE DO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER, SECOND BY SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATERS BROWN. ALL IN FAVOR FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, THAT DOES INCLUDE THE PREPAID POSTAGE. PREPAID WITH THE FANTASTIC. YES. VERY GOOD. ALL IN FAVOR I, I PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND TO WORK WITH YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ALL DAY.

YOU'RE WORKING OVERTIME RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THAT'S MY JOB. I LOVE MY JOB. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

[7) ORDINANCE NO. 03-2025 -- AN ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA, CREATING CHAPTER 20 “FINANCE AND TAXATION” OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN CODE OF ORDINANCES; CREATING CHAPTER 20, ARTICLE 1 “IN GENERAL”; CREATING CHAPTER 20, ARTICLE 2 “ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTIONS” TO ENCOURAGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, AS PERMITTED BY SECTION 196.1995, FLORIDA STATUTES; ESTABLISHING AN EXEMPTION FROM CERTAIN AD VALOREM TAXATION FOR CERTAIN NEW AND EXPANDING BUSINESS PROPERTIES; PROVIDING DEFINITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS; PROVIDING PROCEDURES FOR APPLICATION FOR EXEMPTION; SPECIFYING DUTIES OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IN CONNECTION WITH SUCH PROPERTY; PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS, CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS, AND SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE CONTINGENT UPON REFERENDUM APPROVAL OF TAX EXEMPTION AUTHORITY BY THE VOTERS OF THE VILLAGE.]

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SPECIFYING DUTIES OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IN CONNECTION WITH SUCH PROPERTY. PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS, CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS AND SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE CONTINGENT UPON REFERENDUM. APPROVAL OF TAX EXEMPTION AUTHORITY BY THE VOTERS OF THE VILLAGE AND MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. GIVE ME ONE SECOND WHEN WE HAVE THIS OTHER ITEM IN FRONT OF ME. THIS ITEM IS, OF COURSE RELATED TO THE. RESOLUTION THAT THAT THE COUNCIL JUST ADOPTED.

THIS IS FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ADOPT A PIECE OF YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES THAT KIND OF GIVES YOUR BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE OR STRUCTURE FOR HOW THE AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTIONS APPLICATIONS FOR THEM WOULD BE PROCESSED. THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH INTERESTING IN THIS ORDINANCE FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, IT BASICALLY I'D SAY ABOUT 80 TO 90% OF IT JUST RESTATES WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS AND HOW IT WORKS, BUT IT'S ORGANIZED IN A MUCH MORE STEP BY STEP FASHION.

THIS ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED DIRECTLY FROM THE MARTIN COUNTY ORDINANCE IN THEIR CODE ON THE SAME SUBJECT. AND THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT. ANYTIME YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION COMING THROUGH FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION, THEY'RE GOING TO BE APPLYING TO THE COUNTY AS WELL AS TO THE VILLAGE. AND SO THERE WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO THOSE PROCESSES MIRRORING EACH OTHER. THE COUNTY PROCESS IS AND THIS IS NOT A NEGATIVE TERM.

IT'S VERY VANILLA. IT JUST RESTATES WHAT THE STATUTE IS BUT ORGANIZES IT IN A VERY OPERATIONAL WAY, WHICH IS GOOD. THE ONLY THINGS IT ADDS ARE SOME, I THINK, VERY COMMON AND VERY SANE PROTECTIONS FOR THE VILLAGE AND MAKING CLEAR THAT WHAT IS IN FACT THE CASE, THAT ULTIMATELY IT'S THE VILLAGE COUNCIL'S DECISION. THERE'S NO ENTITLEMENT TO GETTING ANY SORT OF EXEMPTION JUST BECAUSE YOU APPLY FOR IT, YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO IT AND SO ON. THIS IS, IN FACT, THE CASE. BUT MARTIN COUNTY'S ORDINANCE AND THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU MAKES THAT CRYSTAL CLEAR. IT ALSO HAS SOME PROCEDURAL THINGS IN IT THAT ADD ON TO MAKE SURE FOLKS THAT MAKE CERTAIN COMMITMENTS WHEN THEY ARE APPLYING FOR THOSE AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTIONS, VERY CLEAR FEEDBACK LOOPS, IF YOU WILL, TO MAKE SURE FOLKS ARE ADHERING TO THOSE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY AGREED TO. SO WITH THAT, THIS ORDINANCE IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IN FIRST READING TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT EFFECTIVELY MIRRORS THE MARTIN COUNTY ORDINANCE FOR THE SAME THING, AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON FIRST READING, AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, WAIT. CAN WE CAN TARGET THE BUSINESSES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO COME IN. CORRECT. AND IT'S NOT FOR EVERYONE. AND IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND THAT IS THAT'S THE AND ACTUALLY LET ME BREAK IT INTO TWO PARTS HERE TO THE LAST PIECE YOU SAID THERE WE YOU CAN MAKE EVALUATIONS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THAT IS EXACTLY CORRECT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO THIS STATUTE AND THIS TYPE OF THING STATEWIDE, AS I ALLUDED TO, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE IN THE MARTIN COUNTY ORDINANCE IS IT MAKES IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE CASE. AND IT'S GOING TO SAY THAT IN THIS ORDINANCE AS WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO THE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT AN APPLICANT HAS TO SATISFY. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BOUND BY THE STATE LAW MINIMUM STANDARDS. ALL RIGHT. AND IT GETS, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM BEFORE, I DID NOT GET INTO IT BECAUSE YOU COULD SPEND HOURS GOING THROUGH ALL THE STUFF IN THERE. IT'S ALL IN THE WEEDS CHECKING ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT BOXES HAVING TO DO WITH EITHER YOU'RE IN SPECIFIC TYPES OF INDUSTRIES, OR YOU'RE BRINGING IN THIS MANY TYPES OF JOBS, AND THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE THESE NUMBERS ABOVE THESE NUMBERS. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A LOT OF MATHEMATICAL AND FINANCIAL CALCULATIONS GOING ON FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE WITH, WITH ALL THAT TECHNICAL STUFF. SO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE FLOOR OR MINIMUMS THAT THE STATUTE SETS. BUT WHEN A GIVEN PROJECT COME THROUGH, COMES THROUGH, YOU CAN

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THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IF IT IF IT IF IT THEY APPLY, THEY GO THROUGH ALL THE STUFF AND THEY MEET THE MINIMUMS. YOU YOU STILL HAVE THE, THE COMPLETE AUTHORITY TO SAY YEAH IT MEETS ALL THAT.

BUT THIS IS NOT AN INDUSTRY WE THINK WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE. AND THIS IS DIFFERENT BY THE WAY, THAN, THAN LAND USE THINGS. SOMEBODY BUYS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT MEETS ALL THE CODES. I'M GOING TO BE SITTING HERE TELLING YOU YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON A DIFFERENT TRACK. THIS HOWEVER, IS IT MEETS ALL THE MINIMUMS WE LOOK AT. THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO THROW A TAX EXEMPTION AT. SO THAT THAT DISCRETION WILL BE THERE. YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY MAKE IT THROUGH ALL THE AWESOME. BUT THAT DOES NOT EXCLUDE THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO COME WITHOUT THE EXEMPTION. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH. AND THAT THAT WOULD BE GOVERNED BY OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND SO ON. YOU KNOW, THIS THIS JUST GIVES US ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX. RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, AND WORKING WITH THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL GIVE THEM A TOOL TO WORK FOR US. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT'S A WIN WIN SITUATION ON THIS ONE. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OKAY. MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN ONSLOW. SECOND BY SECOND. WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASS

[6) Properties Mayor Dipaolo is Recommending the Village Consider Acquiring]

RECOMMENDING THAT THE VILLAGE CONSIDER ACQUIRING THESE PROPERTIES FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH OF THE VILLAGE. WE HAVE A VIDEO OF IT. I HAD INCLUDED WITH THE AGENDA ITEM ARE THE ARE THE MAPS OF EACH OF THE PROPERTIES. I DID NOT DO A PRESENTATION. OKAY, BUT WE DO HAVE THEM. DID YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO DELIVER COPIES OF THE MAP? YEAH. ALL RIGHT, I THINK. I'M SORRY, I DID WHAT? YEAH. SO THE PARCELS, ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BOOKER PARK MULTI-USE FIELD, YOU'VE GOT A PARCEL THAT IS TO THE SOUTH, AND IT ALSO IS. THERE'S TWO PARCELS TO THE SOUTH. ONE IS ON THE CORNER OF FARM AND 169TH. AND THE ONE ADJACENT TO THAT IS OFF OF FARM ROAD. AND THEN WHEN YOU CROSS 169TH TO THE EAST, THAT'S A PARCEL THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 169TH AND FARM. AND THEN THE PARCEL THAT IS ADJACENT TO THAT, THAT IS OFF OF FARM ROAD. BUT IT'S TO THE EAST OF THAT EXISTING PARCEL. SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN CONJUNCTION WITH BOOKER PARK. IN ADDITION TO THOSE FOUR PARCELS, THE VILLAGE MET RECENTLY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO DISCUSS THE PARCEL THAT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE BASKETBALL COURTS AT BOOKER PARK, WHICH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNS. AND THERE'S A LITTLE HOUSE ON IT.

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WHICH. YEAH, SO THEY SAID THAT'S WHY NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, THEY DON'T SELL PROPERTY. THEY JUST WOULD DO A LONG TERM LEASE. BUT BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT BUILDING WHICH IS PART OF THEIR INVENTORY, THEY WOULD WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SELL IT TO US. SO IF YOU'RE OKAY, IF THE COUNCIL'S OKAY WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH GETTING AN APPRAISAL. MY GUESS IS IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN $1,000. I MEAN, IT'S A VERY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT I WAS I ZOOMED IN AND HAVE IT UP HERE NOW, WHICH JUST SO SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE, WHICH ONE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? OKAY. DO WE HAVE THAT ONE IN THE IMAGES. HOW LARGE IS THE PARCEL OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S WELL SO YET NOT THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION BUT THE BUT THE ONE IMMEDIATELY TO THE TO THE SOUTH OR NORTH. YEAH. IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH. SO WHERE THE CURSOR IS. YES. WHERE, WHERE I'M CIRCLING AROUND WITH THE CURSOR. YES. THAT USED TO BE OUR MUSIC SCHOOL. OKAY. WHAT WHAT THE WHAT THE VISION IS HERE IS TO HAVE THAT WHOLE BLOCK, TO HAVE THE THREE PARCELS THAT ARE TO THE WEST OF 1/69, WHICH ARE OWNED BY. I BELIEVE, ROOSEVELT, JONES, JONES FAMILY. AND THEN THE OTHER CORNER, WHICH USED TO BE OMEGA LANDSCAPING, THAT GARAGE RIGHT THERE, THAT ALSO INCLUDES A HOUSE AND THE SCHOOL BOARD PROPERTY AND ALSO THE CRA PROPERTY THAT'S CONNECTED TO OUR FIELD RIGHT THERE, THAT LOT THAT USED TO BE THE OLD THOMPSON'S QUARTERS. SO THAT WE MY TOTAL VISION IS TO TAKE 169TH AND GET RID OF IT AND HAVE THAT ALL AS A PARK, AND PUT THE ROAD BEHIND THE OLD FIRE STATION AND HAVE IT COME OUT BASICALLY AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT. BECAUSE THEY'RE USING THAT NOW WITH OUR WITH OUR BOXING CLUB. THEY'RE USING THE, THE FIELD AND RUNNING. SO YOU GOT A LOT OF KIDS GOING ACROSS THAT STREET.

SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ROAD GONE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ALL PARK AND MAYBE USE OUR WOODED LOT THAT'S NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION AND THE OLD THOMPSON'S PROPERTY AS A PARKING LOT. THAT WAY WE COULD EXPAND BARKER PARK. PARK. ARE ALL THESE PROPERTIES FOR SALE? WELL, I'VE.

I'VE REACHED OUT TO ROOSEVELT. I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM HIM YET, BUT THEY ARE FOR SALE. I SPOKE TO THE MAN THAT OWNS THE OTHER CORNER, AND HE'S WILLING TO DO SOMETHING AND. VILLAGE MANAGER IS WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND TRYING TO GET TO CRA TO GIVE US THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CAN USE IT FOR. I MEAN, THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE GONE. THEY CAN'T BUILD HOUSES THERE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE LAND BANK. SO MAYBE WE CAN CONVINCE THEM NOT TO PUT IT IN THE LAND BANK AND TO GIVE IT TO US OR SELL IT TO US, AND THEY CAN BUY PROPERTY SOMEWHERE ELSE TO DO THEIR HOUSING LAND BANK. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR BOOKER PARK. AND WE HAVE POST PARK, AND THERE'S A LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM POST PARK THAT'S BEHIND

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YEAH. SO I THINK AS, AS IF YOU'VE DRIVEN AROUND, IF YOU LOOKED AROUND, IF YOU'VE GONE THROUGH TERRA LAGO AND PALM OAKS, THERE ARE ROOFTOPS BEING PUT ON. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN QUICK. ONCE THESE BUILDERS START BUILDING, THEY'VE GOT 16 HOUSES ALREADY STARTED IN BELMONT. I MEAN, IT'S GOING IT'S GOING FAST. SO IT'S GOING TO THIS THIS IS GOING TO DEVELOP QUICKER THAN EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP. BECAUSE I KNOW THESE DEVELOPERS, THESE BUILDERS, THAT'S HOW THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY TO GET, GET, GET IN SOMEWHERE, BUILD YOUR HOUSES AND MOVE ON TO YOUR NEXT PROJECT. OTHERWISE, I MEAN, IF THEY JUST GO VERY SLOW, THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY. SO THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, OUR POPULATION IS GOING TO DOUBLE AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED A PLACE FOR A HURRICANE SHELTER. WE'RE GOING TO NEED, YOU KNOW, AND WE GOT THE BUILDING THAT THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE COUNTY. AND WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT BUILDING, TAKE THOSE WALLS OUT, WHAT THE STRUCTURE WILL, WILL SUPPORT TAKING THOSE WALLS OUT, AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THOSE WALLS OUT OF THERE TO MAKE IT ONE BIG OPEN SPACE. THEN WE CAN USE IT AS AN EVENT HALL. WE CAN LEASE IT OUT, WE CAN RENT IT. I'M SURE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WANT TO USE IT. AND THAT CAN ALSO BECOME BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A CONCRETE, SOLID, CONCRETE BUILDING AND THAT CAN ALSO BECOME A SHELTER AND IT CAN BECOME A PET SHELTER, YOU KNOW, FOR HURRICANE SEASON. SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO NEED THIS STUFF. AND IF WE DON'T CONSIDER DOING THIS NOW AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT, YOU KNOW, AND THE GRANT MONEY THAT WE CAN GET TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE WE STILL QUALIFY FOR GRANT MONEY, THERE'S GOING TO COME A DAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR GRANT MONEY. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, NO, YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE WE'RE AN UNDERPRIVILEGED. AND LET'S, LET'S TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. AND BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE PROPERTY. I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S GRANT MONEY OUT THERE FOR PROPERTY. RIGHT. CORRECT. SO WE GOT TO HAVE THE PROPERTY. ONCE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY, THEN WE CAN APPLY FOR A GRANT TO PUT THE BUILDING ON IT. SO, MAYOR DEPAOLO, WHAT ARE YOU. I'M SORRY. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? THE COSTS OVERALL. WHAT ARE YOU. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I'M SURE YOU'VE RUN SOME NUMBERS AND KIND OF FIGURED OUT WHAT THESE PROJECTS WOULD COST. WHAT? WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? WELL, I JUST STARTED OUT WITH. WITH THE PROPERTY PRICES. I HAVE CALLED ON THAT LOT AND DIDN'T TELL THEM WHO I WAS. AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR LIKE $800,000 FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. BUT I'M SURE WE CAN IF WE IF WE ENGAGE THEM AS THE VILLAGE, MAYBE WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT. WE CAN DO BETTER A WHOLE LOT BETTER, HOPEFULLY. THE OTHER PROPERTIES, I DON'T KNOW, I WHAT, WHAT REASON I HAD TO PUT I HAD THIS PUT ON THIS AGENDA IS SO THAT WE COULD GIVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF TO PURSUE THESE PROPERTIES AND SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE. AND THEN THAT WAY WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, THIS PROPERTY IS JUST GOING.

IT'S GOING TO KEEP GOING UP. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FIVE YEARS AGO. YEAH. YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FIVE YEARS AGO. WE MISSED A WINDOW. JUST LIKE THE JUST LIKE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD PROPERTY SET ASIDE WHEN YOU MADE THE PROMISE, WHEN THE PROMISE WAS MADE AND THERE WAS NO THERE'S NOBODY HERE THAT MADE THAT PROMISE SITTING ON THIS COUNCIL. IT WAS MADE BY THE FIRST COUNCIL, BY THE CREATORS OF THE VILLAGE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S OUR JOBS TO TRY AND MAKE THAT PROMISE COME TRUE. SO I'M WORKING ON THAT EVERY DAY, I REALLY AM. THE PROBLEM IS NOT SO MUCH THE BUILDING. THE PROBLEM IS THE LAND. YEAH. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE LAND, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATICALLY WHEN WE BECAME A VILLAGE BANG. IT'S UP THERE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE PAID FOR THE LOT DOWN THE STREET A LOT MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS

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I'M. I ACTUALLY I JUST SENT AN EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. I HAVE A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS THE PARCEL DIRECTLY BEHIND US THAT IS LOOKING TO PARCEL OFF. THERE'S FIVE. WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE GIS, THERE'S FIVE SEPARATE. THE FIRST TWO ARE ON THE CORNER OF THAT STREET THAT ARE OWNED BY ONE PERSON, AND THEN THE OTHER THREE ARE THE LOTS THAT THE PARK, VILLA OR PARKVIEW ARE WANTING TO SELL TO THE VILLAGE. ON THEIR SITE PLAN, THEY SHOW IT'S 0.40.45 OF AN ACRE. THE APPRAISAL THAT I GOT SAYS IT'S 0.20 OF AN ACRE. SO I'VE SENT THAT BACK TO THE APPRAISER TO SAY, LOOK AT WHAT THEY GAVE ME.

LOOK AT WHAT YOU GAVE ME. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS RIGHT NOW FOR THAT PIECE FROM THE EDGE OF WHERE PARKVIEW WAS GOING TO LOOK TO, TO SELL TO THE VILLAGE, TO THE CORNER OVER HERE OF THIS ROAD, THE APPRAISAL CAME IN AT 150 TOTAL. THAT'S A VERY THAT'S A VERY REASONABLE AMOUNT FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE, FOR THE FUTURE USE. SO, SO I'M SO WHEN I GET THE ANSWER I'M MY, MY PLAN IS ONCE I GET THAT SORTED THROUGH I'LL BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU ALL. PROBABLY THE FIRST MEETING. AND, AND I THINK ON THIS BACK PIECE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY DOING THEIR PLANNING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THEM FOR TWO SOLID YEARS TO SELL US THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW? AND THEN FINALLY, I THINK WHEN I TOOK THEM DOWN TO RENCO AND SHOWED THEM THE RENCO SYSTEM THAT GOT THEM EXCITED, AND I SAID, LISTEN, SELL US THAT PROPERTY AND BUILD YOUR YOUR BUILDING ON THE THELMA WATER SIDE, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXTRA STORY. SO WE'LL GIVE YOU A THIRD STORY ON IT. AND THAT WAY THE VILLAGE DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY FOR DECADES. WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MOVING THIS OFFICE. WE CAN ADD ON TO THIS TO THIS BUILDING.

WE CAN PUT A TWO STORY BUILDING ATTACHED TO THE BACK OF THIS BUILDING. AND THIS WILL BE VILLAGE HALL TILL LONG AFTER WE'RE ALL GONE. SO. SO YOU GOT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE HE HAS BUILDING RIGHTS BACK THERE. SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK CAN WE CAN WE START USING THIS. OH I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE DOING THAT. SORRY. YEAH WE ARE YEAH. GO AHEAD. WHEN WE GET OUR THING DONE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LIGHT SYSTEM I THINK. YEAH. WE NEED A BUZZER. YEAH. GO AHEAD OKAY. CUZ I CAN'T SEE IT. GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN COLEMAN, I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT CRA. DID YOU SAY CRA? YEAH. FOR THE OLD THOMPSON'S PROPERTY AND BOOKER PARK. OKAY, SO THEN MY QUESTION IS TO YOU WITH THE CRA. ARE WE TRYING TO IMPOSE EMINENT DOMAIN? NO. OKAY. NO, NO, WE HAVE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT EMINENT DOMAIN WITH REGARD TO ANY OF THIS STUFF. THE MATTER ABOUT THE CRA OVER THERE IN BOOKER PARK IS JUST THAT'S A PARCEL THAT'S OWNED BY THE MARTIN COUNTY COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FROM BACK PRIOR TO INCORPORATION FROM THE VILLAGE. AND THE REQUEST IS TO TRY TO GET IT SOMEHOW DEEDED OVER TO THE VILLAGE OR ACQUIRE IT BY SOME MEANS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MY NEXT AREA OF CONCERN IS TO YOU, MAYOR, YOU SAID THAT YOU YOU YOU YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THEM ABOUT GIVING THEM A THIRD, I GUESS A THIRD FLOOR, WHATEVER YOU JUST SAID IN MY CAUTIONARY THING IS WE CAN'T PROMISE PEOPLE STUFF THAT HAVEN'T BEEN VOTED ON. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU SAID, I'LL GIVE YOU THIS, BUT IT DIDN'T COME THROUGH US. WELL, I HAVEN'T GIVEN THEM ANYTHING YET. IT'S GOING TO COME TO THE COUNCIL. OKAY? THIS IS JUST WHAT I'M WORKING. WHAT? I'M WORKING TO BETTER THE VILLAGE. I WORK

[01:25:02]

BUT BUT OBVIOUSLY AND THEY KNOW IT AND WE ALL KNOW IT, THAT WHATEVER WE DO WITH THAT LAND, WHATEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RESUBMIT, WRITE PLANS AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL. SO. WELL, I STILL WILL SAY WE. AM I AM I CORRECT? WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN OUR VERBIAGE TO THE COMMUNITY. WELL, I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND IF YOU ALL THINK I'M NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY, TELL ME AND I'LL GET MY BUS AND I'LL TAKE OFF. YOU. OKAY? CALM DOWN, BECAUSE YOU TOOK IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. I JUST SIMPLY SAID WE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS OF OUR VERBIAGE. BUT THIS IS WHY WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW. THIS IS WHY WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS. SO I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN'T CALL YOU UP AND TELL YOU.

ERNESTINE, THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING. I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I'M THINKING RIGHT NOW. I GOT YOU, AND I'M TELLING YOU, BE CAUTIOUS. AND I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR TWO YEARS TO TRY AND GET THEM. AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE NEVER THAT COMPANY, THAT THAT GROUP HAS NEVER, EVER, EVER SOLD A PIECE OF LAND THAT THEY BOUGHT. NEVER. SO OMAR EVEN SAID TO ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DID IT, BUT YOU DID IT. SO. AND COUNCIL MEMBER, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME TRY TO ALLAY ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, THE FULL PICTURE OF WHAT HAVE YOU. WHEN THE MAYOR WAS JUST SPEAKING THERE TO THAT IDEA AS A PIECE OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK, THAT'S HOW ANY DEAL COMES TOGETHER, WHETHER IT'S A CITY MANAGER OR VILLAGE MANAGER OR A MAYOR OR A COUNCIL MEMBER TALKING TO ANYBODY COMING UP WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS, MAYBE THE PRICE WOULD BE THIS, MAYBE THIS, WHATEVER THE MAYOR, I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, HAVING SAT IN ON ON SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THE MAYOR HAS ALWAYS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE VILLAGE MANAGER AND ANY SORT OF DEAL THAT MIGHT BE LOOKED AT, IT IS ALWAYS THAT IT WOULD BE COMING BACK TO AND SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. BUT THE ONLY WAY, THE ONLY WAY YOU GET ANY IDEAS ON THE TABLE IS SAY, HEY, MAYBE THIS IS A THING WE CAN DO, MAYBE THIS IS A THING WE CAN DO, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP FOR CLARITY FOR THE PUBLIC. BUT THAT'S PERFECTLY REASONABLE.

SO LONG AS, AS THE MAYOR HAS MADE IT CLEAR WITH EVERYBODY, HEY, HE'S JUST ONE VOTE. BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PLAN HE WOULD PROPOSE AND SO ON. SO AND I HOPE THAT HELPS. IT DOES HELP. AND I THINK THAT THAT EVEN CLEARS UP BECAUSE WE ALTHOUGH WE ARE HERE, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WATCHING. EVEN PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE MAY HAVE HAD THAT THOUGHT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT A BEAT UP. IT'S JUST LIKE YOU SAID, LET'S BE CRYSTAL CLEAR. WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. BUT WHEN YOU MAKE STATEMENTS AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, WHAT? WHAT IS HE DOING? YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL IT IS. WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. OKAY, WELL, I KNOW THAT. AND I TELL EVERYBODY THAT. I TELL EVERYBODY THAT EVERYBODY I MEET WITH, I TELL THEM I'M JUST ONE OF FIVE, YOU KNOW? BUT BUT I AM OUT THERE JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY. YES. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY. I FORGOT THE SIDE OF THE TABLE. IT'S THE ART OF THE DEAL, GUYS. IT'S. YOU HAVE TO START NEGOTIATING SOMEWHERE. BUT THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP, MR. VOSS. IT'S ALL ABOVE BOARD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS PAST DUE. LIKE YOU SAID, WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO DEVELOP FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS IT GROWS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEWHAT OF A PLAN. ONE OF MY HESITATIONS ON THE PIECE PRIOR TO THIS ONE, WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT OWNERS, IS THAT WE ACQUIRE THIS ONE AND THIS ONE. THIS GUY SAYS NO OR, YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THOSE NEGOTIATIONS AND GET SOME PEOPLE ON BOARD, MAYBE, AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE TALKS WITH ALL THE OWNERS AND SEE IF THEY'RE LIKE MINDED, BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS GET THAT ONE STICKLER THAT HOLDS OUT THE CENTERPIECE. I LOVE THE PLAN. I THINK MOVING THE ROAD OVER BEHIND THE FIRE STATION MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE. I HAPPEN TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE BOXING PLACE THE FIRST PART OF THE MONTH, AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC. I WAS SURPRISED AND HOW FAST THEY GO ON THAT ROAD. IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE DRAG STRIP. AND SO I LOVED THE IDEA OF MOVING THAT ROAD OVER. OF COURSE, THAT'S AN EXPENSE, AND I BELIEVE DOT DOT HAVE TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT OR.

[01:30:02]

IF THEY'LL TAKE THAT, WILL THEY TAKE APPRAISED VALUE? I MEAN, IF THEY'LL TAKE APPRAISED VALUE, I THINK WE SHOULD SNATCH THAT UP. YEAH. WELL I WHAT BEHIND HERE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THEY'LL TAKE THE APPRAISED VALUE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE'S MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT THEY GOT A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN BUILDING THAT PROJECT. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT BUT THAT'S FOR THE STAFF TO NEGOTIATE. YEAH. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SEE US DO WHAT WE DID WITH THE PIECE OVER BY IGA AND PAY WAY MORE THAN IT WAS APPRAISED FOR. I WAS APPALLED AT WHAT WE PAID FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THIS. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WHAT ELSE YOU CAN. YOU KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP YOU MAYBE PUT THIS TOGETHER WITH THE DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS OR WHAT? YOU JUST TELL US WHAT YOU NEED. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON WHETHER THIS IS DOABLE, BECAUSE THAT'S. THAT'D BE AWESOME. YEAH. I THINK HINDSIGHT'S GOING TO BE 2020. AND I THINK THAT LOT, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME IT WAS NOT A GOOD DEAL. BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE IT'S GOING TO BRING US IT'S GOING TO BRING US A PRETTY GOOD RETURN ON THE MONEY THAT WE SPENT. WE HOPE I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THIS THIS PROJECT WITH THE PARK ALREADY IN PLACE AND WHAT WE'VE GOT THERE WITH THE BOXING, THIS PROJECT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME NOW. WE HAD SENT A LETTER TO THAT. SEE THAT WOODED LOT THERE BEHIND THE CANAL? YEAH, THAT WOODED LOT SENT A LETTER AND THEN WE NEVER GOT ANY RESPONSE BACK TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO SELL, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A 2 OR 3 STORY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WITH FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT BECAUSE EVENTUALLY, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FARMS ROAD, THERE'S GOING TO BE HOUSES THERE, ALL THAT'S GOING TO GET DEVELOPED. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT ANYWAYS, AND, AND THE LOT OVER BY POST PARK, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

AND WE NEED TO PURSUE THAT AND SEE WHAT. THAT'S JUST ABOUT AN ACRE. AND IT WILL FIT THE EXACT SAME BUILDING THAT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. AND THAT'S PERFECT SIZE BUILDING. PUT IT RIGHT THERE. AND IF WE CAN GET GRANT FUNDING FOR IT. SO EVEN IF WE'VE GOT, LET'S SAY 6 OR 7 INTO THE, INTO THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WITH, WITH THE GRANTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A 3 OR $4 MILLION PROJECT. I HAVE THE PEOPLE FROM ARKANSAS THAT I TOLD YOU GUYS ABOUT THAT WANT TO BUILD THE ABILITY TREE CENTER HERE. AND IT IS A REMARKABLE PROJECT. WHAT THEY DID IN ARKANSAS IS INCREDIBLE. IT'S THEY USE IT FOR THE ELDERLY.

THEY USE IT FOR KIDS. THEY HAVE READING PROGRAMS, THEY HAVE SUMMER PROGRAMS. THEY HAVE ACTIVITIES PROGRAMS. THEY DO THINGS FOR THE SPECIAL EDUCATION CHILDREN, DISABLED ADULTS. IT'S INCREDIBLE. IF WE OWNED A PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE THAT, WE COULD PROBABLY DO A LONG TERM LEASE AND THEY'D PUT THE BUILDING UP. YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, IF WE CAN GET GRANT MONEY FOR IT, THEN WHY NOT TAKE THE GRANT MONEY? IF THEY WANT TO PUT A BUILDING UP, THEY CAN PUT A BUILDING UP. BUT I THINK THE VILLAGE NEEDS TO OWN. WE NEED TO BUILD OUR PORTFOLIO. WE NEED TO DO THAT.

AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES. IF I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO VOTE TO GIVE THE VILLAGE MANAGER PERMISSION TO GET THE APPRAISAL OF THE LITTLE HOUSE, THE LITTLE SCHOOLHOUSE. THANK YOU. THAT USED TO BE A MUSIC FOR US. SO I'D LIKE TO FOR US TO VOTE, TO GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO DO THAT, TO GET THE APPRAISAL. MARY, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO CLOSE OFF THE

[01:35:06]

NO, NO, NO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD, CARMEN. TALKING ABOUT NOW. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD THAT GOES TO THE PARK. JUST GET RID OF IT. DON'T DON'T PUT IT ANYWHERE. THERE'S PLENTY OF ACCESS ON BOTH. BOTH ENDS. ALL THE HOUSES ARE ACCESSIBLE WITHOUT THAT ROAD EVEN BEING THERE. WELL, EVENTUALLY THAT LOT TO THE TO THE EAST OF THE FIRE STATION AND THE PARK RIGHT THERE IS GOING TO GET DEVELOPED AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A ROAD GOING THROUGH THERE ANYWAYS. THAT THAT PIECE RIGHT HERE THAT YOU JUST HIGHLIGHTED. YEAH. SO AND, AND I'M SURE COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW THIS, BUT THIS WHOLE PIECE HERE IS WHICH IS PART OF IT IS THE CANAL. PART OF IT HAS THE CANAL THERE. PART OF IT IS UPLANDS, THAT'S ALL OWNED BY THE VILLAGE AND WAS ACQUIRED. THAT'S NEXT TO PARKS AND REC, RIGHT. ACQUISITION. YEAH. BUT THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE IS OWNED BY THE VILLAGE. SO IT'S ALL I HAVE. IT'S ALREADY RIGHT OF WAY. YES. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT UNTIL YOU GET TO PALM BEACH, IF YOU TAKE A LEFT THAT'S PALM BEACH, YOU TAKE A RIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP AROUND THE CURVE BY WASTE MANAGEMENT OR WASTEWATER. THAT'S THE STREET. I'M SAYING IT'S TOO SMALL TO ADD ADDITIONAL WASTEWATER. IF YOU TAKE A LEFT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON PALM BEACH. WASTEWATER IS ON FIRST STREET. OKAY. BUT BUT RIGHT INTO THAT ROAD. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S. YEAH. NO. SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH. WHATEVER IT IS I'M ON.

WHERE ARE WE GETTING THE MONEY FROM WHEN WE'RE BEG, BORROW AND STEAL FROM MARY PRAYING AND MARY DON'T MIND. WELL I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING DOING IT TOMORROW. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS WHOLE PROJECT TOMORROW. BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE FUTURE. IF WE DON'T ACQUIRE OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE THERE NOW FOR SALE, AND SOMEBODY ELSE BUYS THEM AND DEVELOPS THEM, THEN, THEN THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO BE SCRUBBED. OKAY, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I'M SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING I WANT TO DO THIS TOMORROW. I'M SAYING FOR THE FUTURE SO THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ROAD COME OUT. I'D LIKE TO SEE 169 BE DELETED. I THINK IT'S A IT'S A TRAFFIC. ALL IT'S GOING TO TAKE IS FOR ONE KID TO GET HIT. OKAY. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE SHOULD HAVE. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ABILITY TO EXPAND OUR PARK BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO IT. SO AS THE VILLAGE GROWS, THE SAME THING WITH THE PIECE DOWN HERE

[01:40:03]

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. SO WE CAN AT LEAST ENGAGE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO I THINK WILL BE VERY RECEPTIVE TO IT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE ROOSEVELT PIECE IS FOR SALE. THEY GOT A SIGN OUT THERE.

THE OTHER CORNER PIECE. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER. IT'S NOT FOR SALE, BUT HE'LL SELL IT TO US. HE THINKS IT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND. THE CRA, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD COMPLETE THE PROPERTY THAT WE WOULD NEED TO EXPAND THAT PARK. I THOUGHT CRA TOLD US NO. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THEY DID INITIALLY COME BACK AND SAY THAT THEY WERE WANTING TO HOLD. THEY WERE WANTING TO TURN THAT PROPERTY OVER TO THE LAND BANK PROGRAM THAT COMMISSIONER JENKINS, WHEN HE WAS COMMISSIONER, HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT THE COUNTY CREATED SINCE THEN, AT YOUR STRATEGIC RETREAT, YOU HAD COMMISSIONER CAPPS, WHO HAS TAKEN COMMISSIONER JENKINS SPOT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT THERE. SO I DID FOLLOW UP. I SENT THEM AN EMAIL AND SAID, COMMISSIONER CAPPS WAS HERE AND UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT PARCEL FOR THE VILLAGE, AND HE WAS GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, FURTHER CONVERSATIONS, TO SEE WHAT HE COULD DO WITH THAT. AND THE LAST I HEARD, HE WAS HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I NEED TO JUST PROBABLY CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO HIM TO SEE WHAT HIS NEXT, WHAT THEY NEED. THAT PARCEL, AS MR. VOSS SAID, WAS PURCHASED WITH COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT FUNDS FROM THEIR TIF ACCOUNT. SO THEY CANNOT JUST DEED IT OVER TO US.

I DON'T BELIEVE I CAN GIVE THAT MONEY BACK. YEAH, I THINK THE TIF FUND WOULD HAVE TO BE REIMBURSED TO SOME EXTENT. SO I WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH. COMMISSIONER TAPP'S OFFICE. I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH COLLEEN, HIS AIDE, AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO APPROVE YOU DOING THE APPRAISAL ON THE ORIGINAL THING. WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE SCHOOL BOARD PROPERTY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO APPROVE, THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND THEN I AFTER SOMEONE SECONDS THAT. SECOND I A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ANSORG A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. THEN I'D ALSO LIKE FOR THE BOARD TO DIRECT OURILLAGE STAFF TO DO MORE SEARCHING AND TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, IN PARTICULAR, THIS GROUP OF PROPERTIES IN PARTICULAR. AND THEN OF COURSE, IF THE OTHER PROPERTY IS, IT DOESN'T HURT ANYTHING TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE. SO I THINK YOU VENTURING FURTHER INTO SEEING WHETHER THESE PROPERTIES ARE EVEN AVAILABLE AND WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE TO DO ANY KIND OF APPRAISALS ON PROPERTIES. WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF WE CAN MAKE A PACKAGE OUT OF THIS. WE CAN DEAL WITH THE ROAD SITUATION LATER. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU DO. GO AHEAD AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND OUT ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF THESE PROPERTIES. WE NEED TO GO BACK. CAN I SUGGEST WE BREAK THAT UP SO WE'VE GOT IT GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FIRST PART. I'D SUGGEST YOU HAVE A QUICK VOTE ON THAT. SORT THAT OUT AND THEN ALL IN FAVOR CAN TAKE UP THE SECOND MATTER UNANIMOUSLY OKAY. SECOND MOTION. SECOND MOTION ON THE REST OF THOSE PARCELS. ALL OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO BREAK THEM UP BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO CALL THEM. YOU JUST SO MY SECOND MOTION IS ON. THE SECOND MOTION IS ON THAT PACKAGE DEAL AT AT BOOKER PARK. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO SECOND. OKAY. AND THEN THAT THAT INCLUDES THE, THE THIRD PIECE AS WELL AT POST PARK. JUST STARTING THE BALL ROLLING, SEEING IF IT'S EVEN AVAILABLE AND THAT KIND OF THING. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE REMEMBER DO THAT ONE AGAIN. WE'VE GOT TO IMPLEMENT ALL THIS. SO WE NEED WE NEED TO CLEARLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US. SO WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE PACKAGE FIRST. SO SHE SECONDED.

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I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAD A QUESTION BEFORE YOU GOT TO PASS. UNANIMOUSLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T VOTE NO. IS THIS JUST A RESEARCH, OR ARE WE JUST SEEKING INFORMATION OR WHAT ARE WE.

THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SLOW IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

YES. RESEARCH. THIS WAS NOT A VOTE TO CLOSE THE ROAD. NO, NO. THERE'S A LOT OF PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH THAT. SO IT WASN'T JUST WHAT I'M WHAT I'M ATTEMPTING TO DO IS TO GET STAFF TO ENGAGE THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT PROPERTY, AND START A NEGOTIATION AND THEN COME TO US, COME BACK TO US. AND IF THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S. THEN AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT APPRAISED. SO THEY'D COME BACK TO US AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT APPRAISED. SO THEY'D COME BACK TO US FOR A VOTE ON APPRAISAL, RIGHT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL PIECE OF PROPERTY. YES. SO THE MOTION THAT I MADE THAT WAS SECONDED WAS TO FOR THE INVESTIGATION TO BEGIN JUST, JUST TO, TO PURSUE THESE PROPERTIES AND SEE THAT, SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN GET IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN ACQUIRE THEM.

FIRST OF ALL, IF, IF WE CAN MAKE A DEAL, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO ABSORB AN AMOUNT, I DON'T KNOW, THEN WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IS IT WORTH IT? SO. AND CAN I MENTION SOMETHING VERY BRIEFLY, PARTICULARLY ON THESE PROPERTIES DOWN HERE ALONG SOUTHWEST FARM ROAD? COUNCILMEMBER. ANSLINGER, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA TO BE MINDFUL WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ASSEMBLE PROPERTY FOR SOME PROJECT OF, YOU KNOW, WHO COULD END UP BEING A VETO PLAYER, IF YOU WILL. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE GETTING, OH, YEAH, GIVE ME 17 TIMES AS MUCH BECAUSE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING OR WHATEVER I WOULD JUST OFFER FROM FROM MYSELF ON BEHALF OF CLIENTS BEING INVOLVED IN A LOT OF LAND ASSEMBLY DEALS. THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE WHERE FOLKS CAN END UP BECOMING A TRUE VETO PLAYER. LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ONE. THE WHOLE THING FALLS APART AND SO ON. I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, THIS IS JUST A GENERAL THOUGHT. I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU HERE THAT THAT I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T GIVE ANY ONE OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, POWER, LEVERAGE IN ANYONE'S MIND, ACQUIRING ANY OF THOSE AT A, AT A REASONABLE PRICE IS GOING TO ADD TO YOUR PARK SPACE, AND IT'S GOING TO MOVE YOU ALONG THE PROCESS TOWARDS THAT ULTIMATE GOAL, WHETHER IT HAPPENS, WHETHER MOST OF IT HAPPENS NOW AND THEN THE LAST PIECE COMES TOGETHER IN FIVE YEARS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO JUST GIVING YOU A PREVIEW OF THE THOUGHT THAT IF MOST OF IT COULD COME TOGETHER, BUT ONE LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE A HOLDOUT, I, I WOULD NOT LET THAT OVERLY BURDEN YOUR THOUGHT IF THE REST OF IT WILL BENEFIT THE PROJECT, WHICH BY THIS ■CONFIGURATION LOOKS LIE WE NOW TO VOTE ON THAT AGAIN? NO, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF. I MEAN, WE DON'T REALLY I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN NEED TO VOTE ON IT. WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT OR JUST DIRECTION. GOOD. I, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE WE HAD IT DOWN AS A VOTE AND WE HAD A VOTE AND COUNCIL MEMBER IF, IF YOU WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION BEFORE YOU HAD YOUR VOTE, JUST SO WE CAN I'VE ASKED MY QUESTION. THAT'S FINE. IT'S FOR INFORMATION ONLY AND I'M GOOD WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT DOWN AS A MOTION FOR. YES. YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. OKAY. MISS LINDA. NICOLE. WELL WE GOT PUBLIC COMMENTS COMING UP. YEAH OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ITEMS, RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN OKAY.

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

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I DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE GET OUR WE GET OUR WATER RUNNING AND WE GET OUR HOUSES UP. WE'VE GOT MORE PEOPLE PAYING TAXES. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE MORE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO SHIFT AROUND FOR SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. WE CAN'T DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME. WE'RE STILL SMALL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? I NEED? YES, SIR. MISS CAROLINE PARKER. CAROLINE BOXER, DO IT ON THE MIC. SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN. GOOD AFTERNOON, CAROLINE PARKER. THANK YOU. I WANT TO KNOW. HOW MANY SEPTIC TANKS DO WE HAVE IN BARKER PARK? ONE QUESTION. I HAVE ONE BEHIND 171ST, WHICH WOULD BE ON MLK. I DON'T KNOW, I'M QUITE SURE THEY HAVE NOT FILLED THAT THING IN YET, BECAUSE EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU CAN GET A STENCH. AS YOU KNOW, MY HOUSE IS NOT THERE, BUT I DO HAVE FRIENDS THERE, SO I STILL GO AND VISIT AND I CATCH THIS STENCH EVEN WHEN I'M AT CHURCH, I'M AT MOUNT ZION. I CATCH THE SAME STENCH. WHY HAVEN'T THESE PEOPLE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THIS PUMPED? OR THEY NEED TO CONNECT TO SEWER? I HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S BUILDING THAT HAS NO SEWER. THE LINES, THE PUMPS OR WHATEVER. I'M KIND OF CONFUSED. I REALLY AM, BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHY AM I STILL SMELLING POOP? MY LAST, MY LAST THING IS HAVE YOUR TRUCKS.

THAT'S GOING BACK TO THE SEWER PLANT. HAVE THEM SLOWING DOWN WHEN THEY'RE GOING ON MARTIN LUTHER KING, THEY'RE MAKING A ROLLING STOP SIGN AND THEY'RE RUNNING TOO FAST. HOW? YOU KNOW, DIANE, BECAUSE I WAS SITTING UP ON OUR PROPERTY YESTERDAY AND I'M LIKE, BOY, ARE THEY MOVING.

I SAW ABOUT 4 OR 5 OF THEM. TALK TO THEM, PLEASE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MR. DOUG CALDWELL.

YOU READY TO. LET ME GIVE YOU A DOUG CALDWELL? LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE. FROM MY EXPERIENCE SPENDING TWO DECADES IN, IN THE SAME SEAT THAT YOU ALL ARE SITTING IN, GETTING IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS IS NOT REALLY GOOD FOR THAT. BUT ONE THING COME UP TONIGHT THAT WAS SAID. I WROTE IT DOWN BY THE PROPERTY. I DIDN'T GET GRANT MONEY TO DO IT.

THAT PROBABLY IS NOT A GOOD PLAN. AND I JUST DON'T LIKE MUNICIPALITIES GETTING INVOLVED WITH REAL ESTATE. I ALMOST LOST, I ALMOST HAD TO FIGHT THE LAST COUNCIL THAT BOUGHT THIS PLACE

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THAT LOT, FIVE ACRE LOT ACROSS FROM THE PLAZA THERE. HOW MUCH YOU HOW LONG WE OWN IT, HOW LONG YOU HAD TO MAINTAIN IT AND HOW MUCH YOU LOST IN TAXES ON THAT. AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? GETTING INTO BUSINESS. IF YOU HAVE A PLAN, THAT'S FINE. AND YOU HAVE A AN AVENUE TO GET THEM THE MONEY. BUT I HEARD 800,000 FOR SOME PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE LANDSCAPE HERE THAT MUCH, BUT I KNOW THE PRINCIPLES OF IT. SO THAT BEING SAID, I SHARE THE I'LL SHARE MY TWO DECADES OF MY TWO DECADES OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS. AND I UNDERSTAND THE LONG RANGE PLANNING. I'M A BELIEVER OF THAT. BUT HOW MUCH IS WHEN YOU GET APPRAISALS? HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING TO COST YOU JUST TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S WORTH TO STARTING OUT? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S JUST MONEY. AND LIKE LINDA SAID, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S NOT LINDA. AND I DID NOT REHEARSE THIS. NO. OKAY. BUT BUT AGAIN, WE'RE YOUR AUDIENCE FROM FROM YOUR FINEST PART OF TOWN.

BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S JUST A BAD IDEA DOING THIS. NOW, LIKE LINDA SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO, AND THERE'S CERTAIN CERTAIN PROPERTIES. IF THE SCHOOL BOARD OWNS THE PROPERTY AND THEY TRADE IT WITH YOU, GIVE IT TO YOU, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S NOT YOU'RE NOT GAINING ANYTHING. STILL, THERE'S NO TAX BEING PAID TO YOU ON THAT PROPERTY. RIGHT? SO THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANTED TO SAY JUST SHARE THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I SHARED THE SAME THING WITH THE LAST COUNCIL THAT BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY OVER THERE, BEING IN A FOUL MOOD, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT. AND I WAS RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT BEING SAID, I'LL TURN THE MIC OFF. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

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DESCENDING AT THE MARINA. AT THE MARINA. BE THERE. AND ANGELINA IS NOT HERE. BUT I'M SURE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON SOMEWHERE WITH THE FOOD GIVEAWAY ON FRIDAY. DO WE KNOW WHERE? OKAY. WELL, SORRY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT MEETING WOULD BE. MAY 1ST 15TH. EIGHTH. WOW.

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