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WELCOME. I LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY DOING A ROLL CALL.
VICE CHAIR MILEY HERE. BOARD MEMBER PRESSLER HERE. BOARD MEMBER. ANSAGER HERE. BOARD MEMBER. WATSON HERE. BOARD MEMBER. WILLIAMS HERE. INVOCATION BY MR. WILLIAMS. LET US STAND, PLEASE. FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, FATHER GOD IN HEAVEN, WE COME NOW AT THE CLOSE OF ANOTHER DAY. AND THANK YOU, HEAVENLY FATHER, FOR ALLOWING US TO BE IN THIS DAY.
THIS IS A DAY THAT YOU HAVE MADE. WE'RE GOING TO REJOICE AND BE GLAD IN IT. THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING OUT AND BLESS OUR COMING IN, BLESS THIS MEETING. BLESS IT IN A WAY, IN WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE IT TO GO, AND THAT THE WORDS OF MY MOUTH AND THE MEDITATION OF OUR HEARTS BE ACCEPTABLE IN YOUR SIGHT. OH LORD, OUR STRENGTH AND OUR ROCK. IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS, WE PRAY. AMEN, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. MOVING ON, I NEED AN APPROVAL FOR THE AGENDA. SO MOVED.
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SECOND. A SECOND. ARE WE GOING TO TAKE A ROLL CALL? WHATEVER. WHATEVER WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL.OKAY. BOARD MEMBER ANSAGER. YES. BOARD MEMBER. WILLIAMS HERE. BOARD MEMBER. WATSON. YES. VICE CHAIR. MILEY. YES OKAY. ME? YES. I'M SO SORRY. IT'S OKAY. BOARD MEMBER PRESSLER. YES OKAY. AND
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NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR OUR MARCH SEVENTH, 2024 MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. I ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. ARE WE GOING TO MOVE[2.
Election of Chair
]RIGHT INTO ELECTION OF THE CHAI? WE ARE, MADAM VICE CHAIR. AND I'D BE GLAD TO. CONSISTENT WITH THE PCB'S PRIOR PRACTICE, IF YOU'D LIKE. I'D BE GLAD TO GO AHEAD AND CONDUCT THE ELECTION FOR, FOR CHAIR, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE, OFFICE OF CHAIR IS NOW CURRENTLY VACANT, PURSUANT TO YOUR RULES, IN THE INSTANCE OF THE UNAVAILABILITY OF THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR WOULD SERVE. BUT WITH THAT OFFICE BEING VACANT, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO, FILL THAT OFFICE WITH THE NEW CHAIR. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD OPEN THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR, NUMBER. OH I'M SO SORRY. GO AHEAD. MR. GO AHEAD. PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR. I'LL NOMINATE RENATE PRESSLER, NOT ME. SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S DECLINED, SO I DECLINED. ARE THERE ANY ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE CHRISTA MILEY FOR CHAIR. I'LL SECOND. SEEM TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN FAVOR. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS HEARING? NONE, THERE'S NO OBJECTION. WE WILL CLOSE NOMINATIONS, AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, NAME CHRISTA MILEY AS CHAIR. I WILL MOVE THAT. WE ELECT CHRISTA MILEY AS CHAIR OF THE BOARD. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? NAY MADAM CHAIR, CONGRATULATIONS. I WOULD SUGGEST, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT NOW HAVE A VICE CHAIR. NEED TO VERY QUICKLY HAVE AN ELECTION FOR VICE CHAIR. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THAT PLEASE. SO BEFORE WE. SO WOULD WE WAIT UNTIL OUR NEW, I'LL POSE THAT QUESTION AT A LATER TIME. OKAY. YEAH. YOU COULD. THERE'S NO NECESSITY THAT YOU FILL THE POSITION OF VICE CHAIR RIGHT NOW, THE PRIMARY ROLE OF A VICE CHAIR IS TO FILL IN THE EVENT OF A CHAIR. WE HAVE A CHAIR HERE, SO YOU COULD WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING IF YOU WANTED TO WAIT FOR YOUR ADDITIONAL MEMBERS TO JOIN, TO DO THAT, IT'S NOT INCUMBENT UPON YOU ALL TONIGHT TO FILL THE VICE CHAIR. SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE A QUESTION. YEAH. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO
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PROCEEDING ON AND WAITING TILL YOUR OTHER MEMBERS JOIN YOU TO FILL THE VICE CHAIR AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING? ALL RIGHT, MADAM CHAIR, I SUGGEST, YOU CAN PROCEED WITH THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. SO NEXT WE HAVE THE APPLICATION NUMBERS V DASH 24, DASH 036, V DASH 24, DASH ZERO[3.
Application No’s: V-24-036; V-24-037; V24-038; V-24-039; V-24-040; and V-24-041: Order granting Variance approval for six (6) variances for a proposed commercial development comprising a Dollar Tree convenience store, located on the south side of SW Warfield Boulevard.
]37 V 24. DASH 038V DASH 24. DAS. 039, V DASH 24, DASH ZERO 40 AND V DASH 24. DASH 041. ORDER GRANTING VARIANCE APPROVAL FOR SIX VARIANCES FOR A PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMPRISING A DOLLAR TREE CONVENIENCE STORE LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WARFIELD. SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHWEST WARFIELD BOULEVARD, AND MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS, THESE SET OF VARIANCES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEMS. IF YOU RECALL, IN THE PAST, I'VE HAD A LITTLE SPEECH. I GIVE TO EXPLAIN SOME PARTS OF THAT. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE MANY FOLKS HERE, BUT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE RECORD, AND SO ON, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO STAFF FOR STAFF'S PRESENTATION CONCERNING THE APPLICATION, THESE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT CONCERNING THE VARIANCE VARIANCES ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE. AS YOU KNOW, IT REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARING TO COMPLY WITH CERTAIN PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS ESTABLISHED IN FLORIDA LAW. THE BOARD'S DECISION MUST BE MADE BASED ON COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, THAT IS COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL FACT BASED TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE, AND NOT PURE SPECULATION OR MERE OPINION. TO ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK. AND WE DO NOT HAVE MANY FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE. BUT I WOULD ASK, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE AND STAFF, AND THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE JOINING US ONLINE, ANY OF YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR OFFER TESTIMONY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THIS MATTER? I WOULD ASK YOU TO NOW BE SWORN BY THE VILLAGE CLERK.PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. IS THAT THE APPLICANT? IF THE APPLICANT COULD JUST FOR THE RECORD, THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. ALL PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR. I DO VERY GOOD. IT'S A GOOD TEST OF THE MIX, TOO. YES FANTASTIC, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE RECORD, MADAM CLERK, HAS THIS ITEM BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED? YES, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED IN. THE DOCUMENT SHOWS THAT IT'S VERY GOOD, MEMBERS, GOOD EVENING, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PCB HAS A, CONFLICT OF INTEREST CONCERNING THESE VARIANCES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU.
I'D ASK YOU TO DISCLOSE THEM. NOW SEEING NONE, IN ADDITION, IF THERE IF ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH, THE APPLICANT OR ANYONE ELSE CONCERNING THESE VARIANCES, I WOULD ASK IF YOU COULD PLEASE DISCLOSE THEM FOR THE RECORD. NOW, SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED ON. AND, MADAM CHAIR, WITH YOUR LEAVE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO, DEANNA FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN, WITH, VILLAGE STAFF TO PRESENT, STAFF'S PRESENTATION ON THE ITE.
YES, SIR. OH AND BEFORE WE PROCEED, WE. ADINA, GIVE ME JUST ONE SECOND TO TELL THEM HOW WE'RE DEALING WITH THE MIX. SO WE'RE STILL STRUGGLING, WITH WITH AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW WHERE FOLKS ON ZOOM ARE HEARING, FEEDBACK OF THEIR OWN VOICE WHEN THEY ARE SPEAKING. UNTIL WE HAVE THAT COMPLETELY SORTED OUT, THE INTERIM WAY TO MAKE IT WORK IS WE WOULD ASK THAT ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WITH THE MIC TURN THE MICS OFF, WHILE THEY'RE SPEAKING. AND THEN WHEN IT'S TIME, WHEN YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION, YOU NEED TO SPEAK, JUST TURN IT ON TO ASK IT AND THEN TURN IT BACK OFF. THAT SEEMS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IT'S NOT A GREAT SOLUTION, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, THAT'S, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO. SO DEANNA, WITH THAT, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND PROCEED. YEAH. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. APOLOGIES THAT I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON. I'VE HAD SOME FAMILY EMERGENCIES IN THE UK, I'LL BE BACK LATER ON THIS WEEK. SO ORDINARILY I DO NOT MISS THESE MEETINGS IN PERSON. BUT FOR TO THIS EVENING. IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD, I'M PRESENTING REMOTELY FROM ENGLAND, BUT OBVIOUSLY I'VE PREPARED ALL OF THE REPORTS AND INFORMATION AHEAD, THE REASON FOR THE MEETING TODAY IS WE'VE TRIED TO DO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, AND WE'VE NOT BEEN
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ABLE TO ACHIEVE A QUORUM. SO THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE THIRD MEETING THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ACHIEVE A QUORUM. SO WE'VE ACCOMMODATED A MEETING TODAY. SO I'VE GOT A BRIEF PRESENTATION.OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS AN APPLICATION PACKET. THERE WAS A STAFF REPORT, AND THERE WAS, SUPPORTING INFORMATION OR PROVIDED IN THE AGENDA. SO THIS PRESENTATION IS MEANT AS AN ACTUAL, BRIEF SUMMARY. ALL OF THE ANALYSIS AND THE STAFF REPORT AND INCLUDING APPLICANT INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED AHEAD OF THIS EVENING. SO THIS IS A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR THE FARMER. AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED VARIANCE APPLICATIONS, THESE WERE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED, JUST DETAILED IN THE WHEN THE CHAIR V 20 4-0 36 AND ALL OF THE OTHER NUMBERS, FOR A VARIANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 12 DASH 12 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THE PROPERTY LOCATION, IS LOCATED OFF OF, SOUTHWEST WARFIELD BOULEVARD, WE HAVE, CLOSER ZOOMED IN INFORMATION HERE WITH THE AREA DEPICTED IN RED. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S IN RELATION TO SOUTHWEST WARFIELD BOULEVARD AND SOUTHWEST FERNWOOD FOREST ROAD.
YOU HAVE A MCDONALD'S IN PROXIMITY TO A SHELL STATION, I'M SORRY. AND ALSO A CHURCH AND SOME INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY FURTHER SOUTH. AND THIS IS A VACANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THE FUTURE LAND USE ON THE PROPERTY IS VILLAGE CORE MIXED USE, WHICH OE PROPOSAL ALSO HAS BEEN TRIGGERED BY A TREE ON A VACANT 3.0 ACRE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THE VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED AS A RESULT OF THE DETAILED DESIGN AND REVIEW OF THE PROJECT. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A CONCURRENT VARIANCE APPLICATION, BECAUSE THERE WERE SIX AREAS OF THE CODE WITHIN, SPECIFICALLY IN THE LDR SECTION THREE, WHERE THERE WERE VARIOUS COMPONENTS WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE DESIGN AND THE ENGINEERING AND THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT THEY REQUESTED, A VARIANCE. SO STAFF ACCEPTED THAT APPLICATION, DEEMED IT COMPLETE, TRANSMITTED, REVIEWED. AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO BASICALLY AS A RESULT OF STAFF REVIEW AND REQUEST FROM THE PLANNING ZONING APPEALS BOARD AS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING ON THIS IN RELATION TO 3 TO 6 OF THE VARIANCES. AND I'M JUST GOING TO MOVE ONE SECOND.
SORRY, TECHNICAL ISSUE, SO THE VARIANCES ARE LISTED IN THE TABLE, AND THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THERE IS ONE OF THE VARIANCES IS WHERE A MAXIMUM FRONT SETBACK WITHIN A VILLAGE, MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT IS 35FT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 68.8FT, THE FRONT BEING THE FRONTAGE FROM SOUTHWEST WARFIELD. BUT THE AND WE'LL SHOW YOU, THE LAYOUT, THE SITE PLAN LAYOUT. BUT ONE OF THE COMPLICATIONS IS THAT THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS NOT ACTUALLY FRONTING WARFIELD. SO, JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT TO IT, WE'LL SHOW YOU A SITE PLAN IN A MOMENT. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTS. THE SECOND IS WHERE PARKING MUST BE LOCATED TO THE SIDES OR REAR OF THE BUILDING. IN THIS CASE THE PARKING IS LOCATED WITH SOME OF IT FRONTING WARFIELD. AND THEN THE THIRD REQUEST IS WHERE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING THE FRONT, THE BUILDING FRONTING WITHIN THE MINIMUM MAXIMUMS, FRONTING WARFIELD. IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO ACHIEVE, BUILT FACADE ELEMENTS WITHIN 60 TO 80% OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE MUST BE WITHIN THE REQUIRED MAXIMUM FRONT SETBACK. WELL, THEY'RE EXCEEDING THAT. SO BY DEFAULT THEY THEY CANNOT MEET THAT THIRD ELEMENT. THE THIRD REQUIREMENT FOR A VARIANCE, THE FOURTH REQUIREMENT IS A MINIMUM DEPTH REQUIREMENT OF EIGHT FEET OF CANOPIES OVER SIDEWALKS. AND AGAIN, BY THE NATURE OF THE DESIGN AND LAYOUT OF THE SITE, THAT THAT WOULD BE CANOPIES THAT ARE ACCOMMODATING IN NO CONTEXT TO THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND THE FIFTH ELEMENT IS WHERE THE MAXIMUM OF 20% OF ROOF ALLOWED TO BE VISIBLE. FLAT ROOF, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 100% FLAT ROOF PROPOSED WITH SOME SHIELDING FROM SOUTHWEST WARFIELD. AND THEY'VE ALSO I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK ARCHITECTURALLY, BUT THEY HAVE PROVIDED SOME BREAK BREAKING UP OF THE OVERALL, BUILDING PLANE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE A LESS INTRUSIVE DESIGN IN RELATION TO WARFIELD. AND THEN THE SIXTH ELEMENT IS, CIVIC SPACE HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED WHERE THERE IS SOME CODE PROVISION THAT REQUESTS THAT, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. I WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS, AND THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET JUST TO SHOW YOU THE ACTUAL PROPOSED DOLLAR TREE AND THE FRONTAGE BEING THE MAIN FRONTAGE BEING HERE RATHER THAN OFF OF SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD. AND IT DOES SHOW THE OVERALL LAYOUT WITH
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STORMWATER, AREA IN THE FRONT, SOME SIGNAGE OBVIOUSLY ACCESS OFF OF WARFIELD, WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE PARKING AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE, SERVICE AND DELIVERY AREA TO THE REAR. THERE'S ALSO DUMPSTER PROPOSALS. THE ACTUAL APPLICATION FOR THE MINOR SITE PLAN HAS BEEN THROUGH A SECOND ROUND OF REVIEWS. THERE WERE A FEW MINOR ISSUES THAT THE APPLICANT IS TO ADDRESS AHEAD OF A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT ORDER BEING PROVIDED TO THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY FOR REVIEW, THIS IS A LESS THAN THE 25,000 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD, SO IT REMAINS A MINOR AT THE STAFF LEVEL FOR REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN. SO THAT'S A SUMMARY OF THE SITE PLAN, THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF THE VARIANCE REVIEW CRITERIA, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND BASICALLY IT GOES THROUGH SUBSECTION 1212 FOUR AND THE APPROVAL CRITERIA WAS RESPONDED TO BY THE APPLICANT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL WITH DETAILED JUSTIFICATION THAT WAS REVIEWED BY STAFF AND STAFF, PROVIDED ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS. AND THIS IS THE CRITERIA THAT THE PCB WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ALSO, OBVIOUSLY CONSIDER AHEAD OF MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATION, FINAL DECISION TONIGHT, THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL APPROVAL CRITERIA. SO RATHER THAN READING THEM ALL OUT, IN DETAIL, THEY WERE PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT WAS REGARDING HARDSHIP AND, ANY OF THE SPECIFICS, THAT IF WITH THE DESIGNERS IT IS, WOULD IT SUBSTANTIALLY BE A DETRIMENT TO THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND THEN IT IS ALSO IS IT CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST, THE HARDSHIP, IS IT SELF-IMPOSED OR IS IT MERELY IS IT A HARDSHIP THAT IS MERELY FINANCIAL IN NATURE? THOSE WERE RESPONDED TO FOR EACH OF THE VARIANCES FOR EACH OF THE CRITERIA, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS A SUMMARY. AND THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED DETAILED REVIEW AND ANALYSIS BY BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, IN THE ACTUAL APPLICATION PACKET ONLINE, THAT WAS SHARED AS AN AGENDA. THE VARIANCE APPLICATION HAS BEEN CORRECTLY ADVERTISED AS PER OUR, VILLAGE CLERK LARONDA MCBRIDE'S CONFIRMATION, AND WE'VE, THE APPLICANT AND THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN HAS PROVIDED ADVERTISEMENT. IT'S GOT, SIGN POSTINGS AND MAIL OUTS WITHIN 300FT. ALL SIX OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCES HAVE BEEN DEEMED TO SATISFY THE REVIEW CRITERIA IN SECTION 1212. PARENTHESES FOUR OF THE VILLAGE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE PCB, FOR ALL OF THE VARIOUS APPLICATIONS AS DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT'S THE END OF STAFF PRESENTATION, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED AND ALSO JUST INTRODUCE THEY DO WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT TEAM ONLINE WITH CHIP IS ONLINE. AND ALSO I BELIEVE MARK, MAY BE STILL ONLINE. I'M NOT SURE, BECAUSE I CAN ONLY SEE SO MUCH ON THE BOX. BUT WE DO HAVE AN APPLICANT TEAM HERE THAT HAVE PREPARED A LOT OF INFORMATION AHEAD OF THE SCHEDULING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. THIS IS MARK. I'M STILL HERE. THANK YOU.MARK SORRY I COULDN'T SEE YOU ON MY SCREEN. SO THE REQUEST IS OBVIOUSLY NOW FOR THE PCB TO, IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANYTHING TO ADD OR THE PCB HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GRANITA HI, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A STATEMENT. I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE, SEVERAL PLACES WHEN THE STAFF RESPONDS TO THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE, THE STATEMENT IS THAT THE IDEA, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT WILL NOT BE CHANGED. THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT WILL NOT BE CHANGED. WELL, ISN'T THE VERY POINT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT RULES TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT? I MEAN, HOW ELSE DO YOU, IF YOU ALLOW ONE PROPERTY AND HOW DO YOU EVER IMPROVE THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD THEM TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD? I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
DENA FREEMAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SORRY. CAN YOU CLOSE YOUR MICROPHONE OFF, PLEASE? RENITA HAVE WE GOT THAT? THANK YOU, SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION DOES INCLUDE CODE WITHIN THE SECTION THREE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WITH ALL OF THE DESIGN SETBACKS, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. BUT ARTICLE 12, SORRY. SECTION 12 ALSO PROVIDES THE PROVISION FOR A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FROM THOSE CODES. STAFF HAVE REVIEWED THIS AND OBVIOUSLY HAVE ALSO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE RECENTLY APPROVED VILLAGE MARKET, VARIANCES THAT WERE, REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PCB LATE LAST YEAR, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE
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CODE AND ALL THE CRITERIA. AND BASICALLY, WE LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING AREA, IN TERMS OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, YES, WE DO HAVE A CURRENT CODE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE PROVISIONS FOR STAFF AND FOR THE APPLICANT TO, LOOK AT APPLYING, THE VARIANCE REQUESTS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. WELL, I MISSED A LOT OF THAT. YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT IS TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT. AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS APPLICATION, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE VARIANCES AND YOU GRANT THEM AT ONE LOCATION, YOU PRETTY MUCH HOW CAN YOU DENY IT AT ANOTHER. SO IT'S A, A WHITTLING AWAY, A BLEEDING OF WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO SAY. YOUR STANDARDS ARE AND YOU'LL NEVER ACHIEVE YOUR FUTURE VISION FOR HOW YOU WANT THE VILLAGE TO LOOK. IT'S NEVER IMPROVED. IF YOU'RE GOING TO STICK TO A STATEMENT LIKE THAT, THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT WILL NOT BE CHANGED, THEN WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU EVER IMPROVE IF THE IF THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT WILL NOT BE CHANGED ANYWAY? WELL, THANK YOU. I GUESS. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? MAYBE. KAREN, IF I MAY, THIS REMINDS ME OF THE, TRACTOR SUPPLY SITE PLAN. IT'S VERY SIMILAR WITH THE TRACTOR SUPPLIES TURNED TO THE TO THE EAST WEST POSITION, AND THE PARKING IS TO THE NORTH OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING, AND IT HAS SOME PARKING THAT THEORETICALLY WOULD FRONT ON WARFIELD BOULEVARD. I THINK THAT BUILDING IS TURNED OUT QUITE BEAUTIFUL AND LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS FOR THIS NEW BUILDING, I THINK IT'S QUITE APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. THE PARKING. YOU'VE GOT A NICE RETAINAGE AREA THAT'S ACTUALLY CLOSER TO 710, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY GIVE A GREEN SPACE BEFORE YOU SEE THE BUILDING. SO YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE CODES OF SETTING THE BUILDING ARE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF SETTING BUILDINGS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD. I THINK WORK WHEN YOU HAVE A TWO WAY STREET, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY, I DON'T AGREE WITH SETTING THE BUILDINGS UP CLOSE TO THE ROAD. I DON'T THINK IT ACHIEVES WHAT THEY THINK IT ACHIEVES. SO TO ME, I PREFER A BUILDING SETBACK AND THE PARKING EITHER TO THE FRONT OR TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ACHIEVED HERE. SO THAT'S MY $0.02 ON THAT. AND KAREN, IF YOU WOULD, COMMENT ON THE TRACTOR SUPPLY, IF YOU THINK IT'S, EQUIVALENT TO THE SAME SORT OF SITE PLAN. FOR UNSAGA. I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE VILLAGE MARKET, WE CAME I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE VILLAGE MARKET, WHEN WE APPROVED THAT, WE HAD ALL AGREED THAT A CHANGE NEEDS TO BE MADE TO THE RULES FOR THE SETBACKS ANYWAY, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE WAY WE HAVE THE BUILDING SET UP NOW AND THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN FOR YEARS, DOESN'T ALLOW ADEQUATE INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THE ROAD, SO YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND BEHIND THE BUILDINGS.THAT'S VERY ANTIQUATED STYLE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WANT TO BRING OUR VILLAGE INTO THE FUTURE, AND THE FUTURE IS HAVING PLENTY OF PARKING AND LIGHTING IN THE FRONTS OF THE BUILDINGS WHERE YOU CAN NOT HAVE TO GO AROUND AND ACCESS FROM A REAR AREA OR PARK YOUR CARS IN A REAR AREA. SO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO POSSIBLY GETTING, A VOTE ON CHANGING THOSE REGULATIONS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY TIME. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE FOLKS DO A VARIANCE.
WE SHOULD MAKE IT SENSIBLE FROM THE ONSET AND THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER PRESSLER. YES. I'M NOT ARGUING AGAINST OR FOR THE VARIANCE, MY POINT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMED TO ME THAT'S THE WAY I THINK OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IS TO IMPROVE THE CHARACTER, SO SAYING IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER, IT JUST SEEMS A CONFLICT TO ME. I DO HAVE A SECOND QUESTION ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALIGN THE DRIVEWAYS. THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE SHELL STATION. WHY? WHY IS THAT DESIRABLE? YES, MA'AM. THIS IS CHARLES PATTERSON. I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD. THE, DRIVEWAYS NEED TO LINE UP TO PREVENT, CONFLICTING LEFT HAND TURNING MOVEMENTS, WHICH BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. SIR, I'M SO
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SORRY. COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? WE HAD A LITTLE FEEDBACK. JUST FOR THE RECORD. YEAH, THE DRIVEWAYS NEED TO LINE UP, IN ORDER TO PREVENT LEFT, LEFT HAND TURNING MOVEMENT CONFLICTS BETWEEN EXITING VEHICLES. SO IF THE DRIVEWAY WERE, SAY, FURTHER SOUTH AND THEN YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, TWO VEHICLES EXITING AT THE SAME TIME, THEY RUN IN, YOU KNOW, HEAD ON. AND WE TRY TO PREVENT THAT. AND SO, THE ACTUALLY YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I AGREE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STANDARD OR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS PULL THE BUILDINGS FORWARD. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE A TRUE NEED BECAUSE THE BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAYS DEFINITELY HAVE TO LINE UP. AND WITH THE SKEWED PROPERTY LINE ON THE SOUTHEAST, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PART OF THE PROPERTY, IT LEAVES VERY LITTLE FRONTAGE TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE BUILDING A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE ROAD JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR VISIBILITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN FACT, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT. AND AS TO THE YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER REQUIREMENTS, ONE OF OUR THIRD, YOU KNOW, POINTS IN THE, IN THE VARIANCE WAS, WELL, THERE ARE MANY BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PART OF WARFIELD BOULEVARD THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SET BACK 70, 75FT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DISTANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE HAVE ADOPTED. GEEZ MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO THIS, WHERE THE MCDONALD'S EXIT IS LINED UP WITH THE ROAD ACROSS THE STREET. I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT. IT'S THE ONE THAT COMES OUT RIGHT BEHIND THE SHELL STATION OR SUBWAY, AND THOSE ARE ALIGNED AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO COME OUT OF THAT ROAD BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO, YOU'VE GOT NOT ONLY LEFT AND RIGHT TRAFFIC, BUT TRAFFIC RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU COMING OUT OF MCDONALD'S. SO I DIDN'T SEE A THREE WAY, TRAFFIC WATCH AS A BENEFIT. ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION FOR ARE YOU YOU REPRESENT THE PATTERSON ENGINEERING. I MEAN. YES, MA'AM, THEY HAVE THE STREET ADDRESSES. BARFIELD NOT WARFIELD, BUT BARFIELD ON ALMOST ALL THE PAGES EXCEPT THE FRONT ONE. SO THEY MUST HAVE BEEN IN A HURRY. BUT ANYWAY, YOU YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A CORRECTION. VINITA. DENA FREEMAN, HERE THEY ARE IN THE, STAGE OF RESUBMITTING. SO THAT WILL BE CAUGHT AS A MINOR CHANGE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALMOST A SITE PLAN APPROVAL STAGE, OBVIOUSLY PART OF THAT IS THIS VARIANCE HAS GOT TO GO BEFORE WE CAN LOOK AT FINALIZING. SO MR. PATTERSON WILL BE PROVIDING THOSE CHANGES. BUT THEY ARE DULY NOTED. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MEMBERS? I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, JUST VERY QUICKL, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE RECORD, DENA, ARE YOU ABLE TO. WERE YOU DRIVING THE POWERPOINT BEFORE? YES. COULD YOU COULD YOU SHARE BACK UP THE POWERPOINT AND SHOW ONE OF THE, SITE? SITE PLAN SLIDES THERE? I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT JUST A SALIENT FACT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT VARIANCES, YOU LOOK AT THINGS, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND SO ON. AND YOU ALL HAVE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENT, PARTICULARLY ITS APPLICATION ON WARFIELD AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF OTHER MORE CLOSE IN PLACES, BUT WHEN LOOKING AT VARIANCES, WE DON'T WE, WE DON'T FOCUS ON WHERE THE CODE SHOULD BE NECESSARILY, BUT WE DO LOOK AT THE PARTICULARITIES OF THIS PARCEL.AND I WOULD POINT OUT AND THIS WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT, JUST THAT THIS IS, AN ODD SHAPED PARCEL IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S GOT A SHARP ANGLE COMING IN ON THE ONE SIDE, WHICH AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST NOTING WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE STAFF REPORT HER. YOU DO HAVE THIS THIS SHARP ANGLE THAT REALLY CUTS OFF THE APPLICABILITY OR THE ABILITY OF A BUILDING TO BE UP CLOSER TO THE STREET, COUPLED WITH AS THE ENGINEER INDICATED TO YOU, THE ENGINEERING SAFETY PREFERABILITY OF HAVING THOSE ROADS ALIGNED, THEY COMBINED TO SET UP TO A SITUATION WHERE IT WOULD BE
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DIFFICULT TO REASONABLY COMPLY WITH THE RULES AS WE HAVE THEM, EVEN ASSUMING THE RULES AS AS THEY'RE SET, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT PIECE OUT THERE. FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. WADE.THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I MOVE FOR STAFF APPROVAL OF THE OF THE. I WILL MOVE FOR STAFF APPROVAL OF ALL. WAS IT 6 OR 7 VARIANCES? SIX VARIANCES? I SECOND THAT MOTION. DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? POSSIBLY. OR THERE'S NOBODY HERE. OKAY YEAH I WOULD GO AHEAD AND JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. NO MA'AM. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL PLEASE? BOARD MEMBER ANSAGER.
YES. BOARD MEMBER WILLIAMS. YES. BOARD MEMBER. WATSON. YES. BOARD MEMBER. PRESSLER. YES. CHAIR.
MILEY YES. ONTO THE NEXT AGENDA. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. AN ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF
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AN ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA, AMENDING SECTION 3-5.7 “TEMPORARY USES AND SPECIAL EVENTS” OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS; CREATING SECTION 3-5.10 “SPECIAL EVENTS”, OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS; PROVIDING FOR THE REVIEW AND ISSUANCE OF SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS BY THE VILLAGE MANAGER; PROVIDING FOR REGULATION OF SPECIAL EVENTS; PROVIDING FOR APPEAL PROCEDURES; PROVIDING DUTIES OF PERMITTEES; PROVIDING FOR REGULATION OF PUBLIC CONDUCT DURING SPECIAL EVENTS; PROVIDING DEFINITIONS; AND PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS, CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
]INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA. AMENDING SECTION THREE, DASH 5.7, TEMPORARY USES AND SPECIAL EVENTS OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS CREATING SECTION 3-5. TEN SPECIAL EVENTS OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS PROVIDING FOR THE REVIEW AND ISSUANCE OF SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS BY THE VILLAGE MANAGER.PROVIDING FOR REGULATION OF SPECIAL EVENTS. PROVIDING FOR APPEAL PROCEDURES, PROVIDING DUTIES OF PERMITTEES, PROVIDING FOR REGULATION OF PUBLIC CONDUCT DURING SPECIAL EVENTS. PROVIDING DEFINITIONS AND PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS. CODIFICATION CONFLICT, SEVERE SEVERABILITY AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. YOU SAVED MY VOICE A LITTLE BIT FROM HAVING TO READ ALL THAT. I'LL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM, TO THE PCB. AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE VILLAGE COUNCIL HAS TAKEN A LOOK BACK AT, MATTERS IN THE VILLAGE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS CONCERNING, REGULATION OF SPECIAL EVENTS. AND THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS AT THE VILLAGE COUNCIL LEVEL CONCERNING MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THAT, AND AFTER NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND MULTIPLE DRAFTS OF A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE GOING BEFORE THEM, JUST TO KIND OF WORK OUT THE BASICS, WE'RE NOW AT THE STEPS WHERE WE'RE BRINGING IT THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS. ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS IN THAT PROCESS IS BRINGING THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU, THE PCB, THE PRIMARY REVISIONS THAT YOU FIND IN THIS ORDINANCE TO THE SPECIAL EVENT PROCESS, IS AS FOLLOWS, AND I WILL DO MY BEST NOT TO READ YOU THE ENTIRE AGENDA SUMMARY HERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO HIT A COUPLE POINTS. FIRST OFF, WE BREAK OUT SPECIAL EVENTS INTO THEIR OWN ORDINANCE SECTION. IT HAD BEEN GROUPED TOGETHER, WITH A PROVISION RELATING TO TEMPORARY USES, WHICH SOME SENSE MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE BETTER TO BREAK IT OUT. SO THIS BROKE OUT INTO ITS OWN SECTION 3-5. TEN, THE ORDINANCE, THE DRAFT ORDINANCES BEFORE YOU, VESTS ALL AUTHORITY TO ISSUE SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS IN THE VILLAGE MANAGER. ORIGINALLY, UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, THERE ARE CERTAIN INSTANCES WHERE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE VILLAGE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. THE VILLAGE COUNCIL, AFTER LOOKING THAT THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO GO OVER THE REGULATIONS AGAIN, GET THEM NAILED DOWN, AND THEN MAKE IT A STAFF FUNCTION SO THAT IT IS, FOR STAFF. IF AN APPLICANT MEETS THE CRITERIA, THEY GET THE PERMIT. IF THEY DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA, THEY DON'T GET THE PERMIT AND PROCEED ON, IN ADDITION, THE, APPLICATION DEADLINE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS IN THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE ARE REDUCED FROM 60 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT TO 30 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS RAISED THAT 60 DAYS WAS A LITTLE TOO FAR OUT, FOR PEOPLE PLANNING AHEAD. AND SO ON. I WILL NOTE, LET'S NOTE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN HERE, I THINK. BUT IN AMONGST THE CHANGES HERE, THERE IS ACTUALLY AN EXPRESS OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY, EVEN EARLIER THAN THAT, 60 OR 30 DAYS. IF SOMEONE WANTED TO APPLY, EVEN UP TO 365 DAYS BEFORE THEY CAN. SO THAT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, AN ORGANIZATION HAS MULTIPLE EVENTS DURING A YEAR, THEY KNOW THEY'RE DOING THAT SAME EVENT EVERY YEAR, THEY CAN COME ON IN VERY EARLY, GET IT ALL SORTED OUT VERY EARLY, AND THEN NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
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IT, ONE OF THE NOTABLE CHANGES, BASED ON SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED BY THE VILLAGE COUNCIL AND QUITE FRANKLY, CONCERNS THAT I'VE FOUND IN CITIES ALL OVER THE STATE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T. A SPECIAL EVENT. AND PEOPLE WORRY THAT SOMETIMES, THINGS THAT WE WOULD JUST NORMAL OR CONSIDER A NORMAL PARTY SOMEHOW BECOMES A SPECIAL EVENT. AND NOW WE'VE GOT THE GOVERNMENT GETTING INVOLVED AND PEOPLE JUST HAVING A PARTY, AND SO WE HAVE A VERY EXPRESS SET OF EXCLUSIONS THAT ARE NOW BUILT INTO THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE, AND I WON'T READ ALL OF THEM TO YOU, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A FEELING OF SOME OF THEM WEDDINGS, FUNERALS, WAKES, BIRTHDAY PARTIES, ANNIVERSARY PARTIES, GRADUATION PARTIES, OR OTHER SIMILAR EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES.GENERALLY NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THAT'S THE KEY ELEMENT. OKAY IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PRIVATE, IT'S ONLY FOLKS, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE INVITED OR WHAT HAVE YOU. IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHEN IT COMES TO A SPECIAL EVENT. IT'S BASICALLY EVENTS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE CERTAIN OTHER ONES, EVENTS OR ACTIVITIES, EVEN IF OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THAT ARE HELD INDOORS OR WITHIN THE LICENSED PREMISES OF A RESTAURANT OR BAR, CONSISTENT WITH MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AND FIRE SAFETY LIMITATIONS. THAT'S AN EXCLUSION AS WELL. THE IDEA BEING, IF YOU'VE GOT A FACILITY THAT IS AND YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING ON INDOORS RIGHT THEN, SO LONG AS THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH, MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY FIRE SAFETY REGULATIONS, AND SO ON, THAT'S NOT A MATTER OF THE VILLAGE NEEDS TO BE GETTING INTO WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE IN, IN KIND OF TAKING OUT THAT EXCLUSION IS EVENTS GOING ON AT PLACES THAT REALLY AREN'T SET UP DAY TO DAY FOR IT. OFTEN OUTDOORS. OKAY. EXCLUDING ALSO EVENTS OR ACTIVITIES, EVEN IF OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, HELD SOLELY ON THE PROPERTY OF A CHURCH, CIVIC ORGANIZATION OR SCHOOL. SO AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE IN AN INSTANCE HERE WHERE YOU'RE JUST ON THEIR PROPERTY, THE VILLAGE ISN'T GOING TO GET INTO THE MINUTIA OF THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER THING.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING THERE? ALL RIGHT, AN EXCLUSION THAT WE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING IN PRACTICE.
BUT WE NEVER HAD WRITTEN DOWN IN THE CODE EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE AUTHORIZED BY MARTIN COUNTY TO BE HELD AT TIME OR POWERS PARK. AS WE ALL KNOW, TIGER POWERS PARK IS A COUNTY PARK. THEY CONTROL WHAT EVENTS ARE APPROVED THERE AND SO ON, AND WE HAVE JUST DE FACTO TREATED IT AS ANYTHING GOING ON AT TIME OF POWERS PARK. IF THE COUNTY SAID IT WAS COOL, THEY DON'T NEED TO ALSO GO THROUGH THE VILLAGE. WE'RE JUST PUTTING THAT IN WRITING NOW AND THEN FINALLY A RENTAL VILLAGE INDOOR FACILITIES, RENTAL OF VILLAGE PAVILIONS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES FOR WHICH VILLAGE OTHERWISE HAS ISSUED A PERMIT. SO THAT'S NOT SAYING YOU CAN JUST DO THAT WITHOUT ANYTHING. YOU JUST HAVE TO GO TO THE VILLAGE THROUGH THE FACILITY RENTAL PROCESS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THIS IS MEANT TO TAKE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR FOLKS JUST KIND OF OFF THE TABLE. YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT COMING IN FOR A PERMIT AND SO ON. BUT OF COURSE THERE ARE ACTIVITIES THAT OCCUR, ON A REGULAR BASIS WITHIN THE VILLAGE THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN THE EVEN NARROWER DEFINITION OF SPECIAL EVENT. NOW GOING ON. SO THAT'S THE REGULATIONS WOULD BE HAVING HERE. SO, SO IN THIS REVISED ORDINANCE, WE HAVE, A THRESHOLD, A DEFINITION FOR WHAT WE CALL A MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT. 250 OR MORE ATTENDEES RELATED TO THAT. THAT TRIGGERS A REQUIREMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE RESCUE REVIEW. OKAY. DOES NOT MEAN NECESSARILY THAT YOU'VE GOT TO HIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR FIRE RESCUE SUPPORT IN ANY INSTANCE WHERE YOU'RE OVER 250. WHAT IT DOES MEAN IS YOU'VE GOT TO CHECK IN WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND WITH MARTIN COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT, HAVE THEM EVALUATE YOUR PLANS AND TELL YOU IF THEY THINK YOU NEED THAT SUPPORT. AND IF SO, YOU HAVE TO PROCURE IT. IF THEY SAY, NOPE, WE'VE EVALUATED IT, YOU DON'T NEED ANY, THEN YOU DON'T NEED ANY, THE, THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROCEDURAL CHANGES AS WELL, THROUGHOUT ALL THIS TO, KIND OF MAKE CLEAR HOW THE PROCESS IS GOING TO WORK, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO IT BEING 100% WITHIN THE AMBIT OF STAFF, AFTER THE APPLICATION COMES IN. IT ALSO THE ORDINANCE ALSO LAYS OUT, SOME DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF PERMATEASE THAT ARE KIND OF IMPLICIT IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT MAKES IT VERY EXPLICIT. BASICALLY, YOU GET A PERMIT AND IT SAYS YOU'RE AUTHORIZED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
THEM ALLOWING THINGS TO OCCUR OR PARTICIPATING IN THEIR EVENT, HAVING THINGS OCCUR THERE THAT EXCEED THAT OR RUN CONTRARY TO THAT ENDS UP BEING A VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE VERY EXPRESSLY AND CLEARLY. SO, WITH THAT, AGAIN, THIS HAS GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF REVIEW WITH
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THE VILLAGE COUNCIL IN THE FIRST INSTANCE, BUT IT IS BEFORE THE PCAOB TONIGHT, FOR YOUR REVIEW AND DISCUSSION, ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR REVISIONS? AND ULTIMATELY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PCAOB RECOMMEND THAT THE VILLAGE COUNCIL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE SO WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? IF I MAY, CAN YOU HIT THE PART AGAIN? WADE ABOUT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MARINA, YOU KNOW, HOLD EVENTS THERE ALL THE TIME FOR MY CUSTOMERS, IF THEY'RE ALREADY ON SITE, GET A PERMIT FOR THE TENT.BUT I DON'T NEED A PERMIT TO HOLD AN EVENT THAT I HAVE FOR MY CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ON SITE.
THROUGH YEAH. AND THIS IS GOOD. PARDON ME. LET ME GET THIS BACK ON HERE. IT'S A GOOD FACT PATTERN BECAUSE, PRIMARILY, WE'RE DRILLING INTO, PLACES WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IT INSIDE A BUILDING, BUT IN, IN YOUR FACT PATTERN THERE, WE'D BE LOOKING AT, ACTUALLY. THANK YOU.
THIS IS THIS IS A USEFUL ONE. LET ME LET ME DIG INTO THE ORDINANCE HERE REAL QUICK BECAUSE I WANT TO APPLY THIS, AND WE CAN DISCUSS, TWEAKING IT HERE IF TWEAKING WOULD BE WARRANTED. SO LET ME ASK IF YOU DON'T MIND. LET ME LET ME ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS JUST TO ADDRESS THIS HYPOTHETICAL, AN EVENT WOULD BE GOING ON AT THE MARINA. LET'S ASSUME IT'S THE OUTDOORS.
YEAH. BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT IS THERE. RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY, SO BE OUTDOORS. WOULD IT BE AN EVENT, OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC? NO. TYPICALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DO WHAT WE CALL THANKSGIVING RENDEZVOUS, WHICH IS AN EVENT WE HOLD AT THANKSGIVING FOR USUALLY THREE DAYS OF PARTIES WE HAVE ON SITE AT THE MARINA. BUT GENERALLY THEY'RE JUST FOR MY CUSTOMERS THAT ARE AT THE MARINA. AND I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE CONFUSION. THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE DONE FOREVER. UNDERSTOOD? YEAH.
I SEE. IT COULD POTENTIALLY DO WITH A LITTLE BIT OF. CLARIFYING HERE, NOW, GENERALLY, IT DOESN'T EXPRESSLY EXCLUDE WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED THERE, BUT GENERALLY IN OUR GENERAL DEFINITION, IT'S ADDRESSED TO EVENTS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND SO THAT THAT'S THE FIRST INQUIRY. I WAS, YEAH. SO WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE IT AS WE DON'T HAVE IT AS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION. OKAY BUT IT IS AN ELEMENT OF THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL EVENT AND ENTERTAINMENTR OTHER TYPE OF UNIQUE ACTIVITY OR EVENT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THAT MAY SUBSTANTIALLY INHIBIT THE USUAL FLOW OF PEDESTRIAN, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, OR DEVIATES FROM THE ESTABLISHED USE OF THE PLACE OR BUILDING. FRANKLY, I'D SUGGEST, BASED ON THE LONG HISTORY OF IT OCCURRING THERE AS WELL. PROBABLY DOESN'T DEVIATE FROM THE ESTABLISHED USE SINCE YOU'VE DONE IT. AND IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
TRYING TO THINK THROUGH WHETHER THERE MAY BE, AN EXPLICIT EXCLUSION THAT MIGHT MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE, IN PLACE. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DROP THIS OR LET IT PERCOLATE IN MY BRAIN FOR A SECOND HERE. YES THE, BOARD MEETINGS WHERE THEY WERE DISCUSSING THIS AND THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT EXCLUDING, EVENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, WOULD THAT PROVISION BE APPLICABLE? SO I HAD IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, I HAD CONCERNS WITH WITHOUT MORE PUTTING MORE MEAT
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ON THE BONES, A BLANKET, ANYTHING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IS OFF LIMITS BECAUSE THEN WHAT YOU END UP IN AN EXTREME AND I'VE SEEN IT. I MEAN I'LL GIVE YOU I THINK THE EXAMPLE I GAVE THERE WAS, OKEECHOBEE MUSIC FESTIVAL. OKAY. SO LET'S SAY YOU GOT A BIG PIECE OF LAND, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT AND IT'S YOUR LAND. I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I WANT WITH IT. RIGHT? BUT IT'S GOING TO CAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GOING THERE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THAT, AND SO ON. THAT IN THE HIGH EXTREME IS WHAT THIS IS FOR. NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT. IT'S SAYING WHEN YOU DO IT, WE GOT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL SORTED. SO WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO WE'RE NOT MESSING ANYTHING UP. SO THE BLANKET ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THIS DOESN'T APPLY. IT'S WHERE I HAD THE CONCERN. BUT I THINK, WHERE YOU GET INTO THE SITUATION, WHERE IT IS, WHERE WE HAD ZEROED IN WITH THINGS BEING INDOORS. IT BEING IN A FACILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, SIZE WISE, CAN ACCOMMODATE IT, THAT KIND OF GRABS SOME OF THAT. ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, TOO, WAS THE I KNOW THAT WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, IF YOU WERE HAVING A SOMETHING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND CHARGING ADMISSION, THEN THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN IF YOU WERE JUST HAVING WHAT HE'S DOING. SO DID THAT EVER BECOME PART OF THE. SO WE HAVE REFERENCE TO, TO IN SOME INSTANCES WHETHER PEOPLE ARE CHARGING ADMISSION OR NOT, THE I WOULD OFFER TO YOU AS WELL THAT YOU DON'T WE WOULDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE GAMES OF ARE THEY CHARGING ADMISSION OR ARE THEY JUST ASKING FOR A DONATION OR ARE THEY WHATEVER? THEY'RE ALL MANNER OF WAYS TO GAMESMANSHIP ON ALL THAT. I THINK WE PROBABLY WANT TO ZERO IN ON WHAT WHAT PROBLEMS ARE WE TRYING TO AVOID.AND I WOULD SUGGEST THE PRIMARY PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS, GIGANTIC EVENT THAT ENDS UP CAUSING A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROBLEMS FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND TRAFFIC AND ALL THIS STUFF.
WITHOUT IT BEING APPROPRIATELY MANAGED AND BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT TRYING TO STOP EVERYBODY FROM HAVING FUN OR DOING WHATEVER, SO, TO THIS POINT, SCOTT, I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE AND I MAY NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE NOODLING ON THIS ABOUT THE WAY TO BUILD THIS IN.
BUT IT. IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO, TO CRAFT AN EXCLUSION. I MAY NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE THINKING ON PRECISELY HOW TO DO IT. THAT WOULD ADDRESS, EITHER, YOU KNOW, EVENTS, YOU KNOW, AT A BUSINESS FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS AND INVITEES. I MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BROADER IN CASE SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO BE THERE AND A FRIEND WANDERS ALONG. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, TRIGGERING ALL THIS, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET EARTH TYPE THING OR YOU'RE WHAT HAVE YOU, I, I WOULD SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN IN, IN APPROVING THIS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE WITH, WITH ADDING LANGUAGE TO THAT EFFECT. AND I'LL GO TAKE A CRACK AT ADDING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. YEAH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. WERE THERE ANY CHANGES, MADE TO THE AGENDA OTHER THAN WHAT WE WERE PRESENTED, VIA EMAIL LAST WEEK? OH TO THE TO THE AGENDA PACKET. YES. SO YEAH, WE ACTUALLY GOT THIS QUESTION BEFORE, I RAISED THE SAME QUESTION. YEAH AND IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT YOU THINK MAY JUMP OUT AT YOU, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, THE VENDOR FOR OUR AGENDA SYSTEM FOR NOVUS AGENDA AGENDA SYSTEM, SINCE THE TIME THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, ACTUALLY FINALLY WORKED ON A TICKET THAT WE HAD PUT IN TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT CHANGES IN PCAB MEMBERS ON THE FACE OF THE FIRST PAGE OF THE AGENDA. SO THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN THE INTERIM THERE, THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT SOME SITE CONSTRUCTION PLANS OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS RELATING TO THE VARIANCE. YOU ALL JUST DISCUSSED, I'VE TALKED WITH, WITH STAFF, I'VE TALKED WITH DINA AND WITH LUCY AND LARONDA, AND TO ALL OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES TO ANYTHING THAT WAS UPLOADED IN THE NOVA SYSTEM WITH REGARD TO THAT. AND LARONDA ACTUALLY WENT BACK IN THE NOVA
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SYSTEM. THEY HAVE AN AUDIT LOG BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE TIME SOMETHING IS CHANGED OR UPLOADED, IT LOGS IT IN IT, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. THAT'S ALL WITH WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, IT'S TIME AND DATE STAMPED AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. THAT'S ALL CONTROLLED BY THE VENDOR. AND SO ON. AND FROM WHAT LARONDA SAW, OTHER THAN LITERALLY HER LOGGING IN TEN MINUTES AGO OR. YEAH, ABOUT SIX, TEN TO, TO TAKE A LOOK THERE. THE LAST TIME THERE WAS ANYTHING UPDATED ON ANYTHING ON THAT AGENDA WAS ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE DATE. THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, RIGHT? YEAH THE TIME IT WAS. WHAT WHAT DID YOU SAY AT THE END ABOUT. I MEAN, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THE FIRST PAGE WAS CHANGED FOR THE AGENDA, BUT THERE WAS AN ADDITION. I WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE PACKET AND THE THIS WAS ADDED, SO IF THE VENDOR CAN LOG IN AND MAKE CHANGES RIGHT, LIKE EVEN THE DAY OF YOUR MEETING, HOW DO YOU KNOW THESE SITE, THE SITE CONSTRUCTION PLANS WEREN'T THERE OVER THE WEEKEND OR MONDAY. I WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE PACKET. IT WAS ADDED TODAY AND THE ONLY REASON I LOOKED WAS BECAUSE THE FIRST PAGE, THE AGENDA PAGE, HAD BEEN CHANGED WITH THE NEW NAMES, AND THAT EITHER HAPPENED LATE LAST NIGHT OR TODAY. AND I AM, I MEAN, ANY ADDITIONS THAT ARE MADE, YOU MIGHT THE PERSON MIGHT THINK THAT THEY'RE HELPING BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDING INFORMATION, BUT IT THROWS YOU OFF BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PACKET, PREPARING QUESTIONS AND WHATEVER, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED. ALL YOU KNOW IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN IT'S NOT THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME YOU HAVE TO SORT OUT WHAT'S BEEN. IS THIS THE SAME, IS THIS THE SAME? IS THIS THE SAME, YOU KNOW, OR IS THIS DIFFERENT? I UNDERSTAND, I DO WANT TO I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE YOU YOU SAW IN ALL OF THIS FROM EVERYTHING THAT, WE ARE AWARE THAT STAFF IS AWARE OF AND LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM AS WELL. THERE HADN'T BEEN ANYTHING UPLOADED ADDITIONAL SINCE THE DAY THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED. WITH REGARD TO SITE PLAN, SITE CONSTRUCTION PLANS OR OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS, NOW I AM. I AM TAKING A LOOK HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO, JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND NOW. IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE IN THE PDF VERSION. THERE IT'S THERE IN. YEAH. I, I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU A BETTER EXPLANATION, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IS THE LAST UPLOAD WAS TODAY IS NOT TODAY'S TUESDAY. IT'S NOT OUR NORMAL MEETING DAY. AND IN FACT WE'VE HAD AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 4TH OF JULY WAS WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR NORMAL APPOINTMENT. BUT THIS IS THE THIRD DATE THAT WE'VE HAD IN JULY, YOU KNOW, AND WHENEVER THE PACKET IS THERE AVAILABLE FOR US TILL TUESDAY IS TO HAVE THE MEETING ON TUESDAY IS PRETTY SHORT NOTICE. NORMALLY IT WOULD BE UPLOADED. AND FOR US BY FRIDAY NIGHT AND WE HAVE UNTIL THE MEETING DAY OF THURSDAY. BUT TODAY IS TUESDAY, NOT THURSDAY, SO IT'S BEEN EVEN SHORTER. SO, THE AGENDA WAS UPLOADED ON THE 10TH. IT WAS UPLOADED ON WEDNESDAY. ON WEDNESDAY. OKAY.WELL, LAST WEEK I WISH YOU KNOW I DIDN'T NOTICE KNOW TO LOOK FOR IT. BUT STILL WHEN I WORKED ON IT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE WEEKEND, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TO DEPEND ON THE WEEKEND, BUT IT'S VERY SHORT NOTICE IN THE PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PUBLIC, WE CAN BARELY KEEP UP. SO I DON'T I REALLY SYMPATHIZE WITH THE PUBLIC. TRYING TO KNOW AND TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT FOR THEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. BOARD MEMBER I'LL SAY THE MOTION PASSED IT WITH THE, CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR ACCOMMODATION TO THIS SITUATION. WELL, BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN THAT. YEAH, BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN THAT, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO, MY MIND BEEN EVERYWHERE, SO I HAD TO WRITE IT DOWN, BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING AS A RESIDENT, AS A RESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED, PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WOULD VEST THE AUTHORITY FOR ISSUING SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS SOLELY IN THE VILLAGE MANAGER. WHILE I DO AGREE WITH
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THE PROPOSED CHANGES, I DISAGREE WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL HAVING SOLE CONTROL OF, MAKING THE DECISION ON APPROVING THOSE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS. ONE OF THE MOST PRESSING ISSUES WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT DECISIONS MADE WITHOUT COUNCIL OVERSIGHT MAY NOT FULLY CONSIDER THE DIVERSE NEEDS AND INTERESTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. OUR VILLAGE COUNCIL IS COMPOSED OF ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES WHO EMBODY THE RICH DIVERSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY. EACH OF THESE MEMBERS BRINGS UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, EXPERIENCES AND INSIGHTS, ENSURING THAT DECISIONS ARE MADE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF OUR RESIDENTS VARIED NEEDS AND PRIORITIES. WHEN DECISIONS ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS ARE MADE BY A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, WE RISK LOSING THIS VITAL DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT AND REPRESENTATION WITHOUT THE COLLECTIVE INPUT OF OUR COUNCIL. THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS BECOMES LESS INCLUSIVE. THE VILLAGE MANAGER, NO MATTER HOW CAPABLE, CANNOT FULLY GRASP THE MYRIAD OF PERSPECTIVES AND CONCERNS THAT THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE CAN ADDRESS. THIS CENTRALIZATION OF POWER CAN LEAD TO DECISIONS THAT INADVERTENTLY OVERLOOK OR MARGINALIZE CERTAIN GROUPS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. FOR FOR INSTANCE, SPECIAL EVENTS CAN HAVE FAR REACHING IMPACTS ON DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. NO NOISE LEVELS, TRAFFIC DISRUPTIONS, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND ACCESS TO AMENITIES ARE JUST A FEW OF THE FACTS, FACTORS THAT VARY IN IMPORTANCE ACROSS OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY. THE COUNCIL, THROUGH ITS VARIOUS MEMBERS, IS BETTER EQUIPPED TO WEIGH THESE FACTORS AND ENSURE THAT THE INTERESTS OF ALL RESIDENTS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. MOREOVER, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS A FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF LOCAL GOVERNANCE. THE COUNCIL'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESS ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND OPEN DISCUSSIONS, PROVIDING RESIDENTS WITH A PLATFORM TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS AND CONCERNS. THIS PARTICIPATORY, PARTICIPATORY APPROACH ENSURES THAT DECISIONS ARE NOT ONLY DEMOCRATIC, BUT ALSO BETTER INFORMED BY THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE MOST AFFECTED BY THEM WITHOUT THIS LAYER OF OVERSIGHT, WE RISK MAKING DECISIONS IN A VACUUM, DISCONNECTED FROM THE LIVED EXPERIENCES OF OUR RESIDENTS. THE PROPOSED REDUCTION IN THE APPLICATION DEADLINE FROM 60 TO 30 DAYS FURTHER COMPOUNDS THESE CONCERNS. WITH THIS. WITH LESS TIME FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND COUNCIL REVIEW, THERE IS AN INCREASED LIKELIHOOD THAT DECISIONS WILL BE MADE HASTILY AND WITHOUT THOROUGH CONSIDERATION FOR ALL RELEVANT FACTORS. THIS RUSH CAN LEAD TO UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IN A LACK OF RESPONSIVENESS TO COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, BY CENTRALIZING DECISION MAKING POWER IN THE VILLAGE MANAGER, RISKS NEGLECTING THE DIVERSE NEEDS AND INTERESTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. IT ALSO DIMINISHES THE INCLUSIVE, PARTICIPATORY NATURE OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNANCE AND UNDERMINES THE PRINCIPLES OF REPRESENTATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY. I URGE THAT THE COUNCIL, I URGE FOR THE COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THE ORDINANCE TO MAINTAIN ITS ESSENTIAL ROLE IN THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESS, ENSURING THAT ALL VOICES IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE HEARD AND RESPECTED. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DO. ONCE AGAIN, I DO AGREE WITH THE ADDITIONS FOR, WELL, ALL OF THE ADDITIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE VILLAGE MANAGER, BEING THE SOLE DECISION MAKER OF THIS PROCESS, BOARD MEMBER UNSAGA I WAS, PRESENT DURING THE DISCUSSION AT THE BOARD MEETINGS, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAD ASKED FOR THESE CHANGES, THEY HAD ASKED FOR IT TO BE SIMPLIFIED, AND FOR THE PERIOD OF REQUIRED NOTICE FOR AN EVENT TO BE SHORTENED. SO THOSE, THESE SOME OF THESE WERE IN RESPONSE TO, THE REQUESTS FROM CITIZENS, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE CAME TO THE BOARD MEETING AND, AND DISCUSSED THAT IT WOULD MAKE IT SIMPLER FOR THEM IF THEY COULD JUST GO IN AND GET A DECISION BASED ON AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY THAT WAS CLEAR. I DO AGREE WITH CHAIR MILEY THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THINGS IN FRONT OF A BOARD, AND THAT WE MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY WITH ALL OF OUR VOICES BEING HEARD. HOWEVER THIS IS REALLY MORE OF A STATUTORY. YOU EITHER MEET THE CRITERIA OR YOU DO NOT MEET THE CRITERIA. SO IT'S ALREADY MORE OF A STAFF[01:00:05]
TYPE. DECISION MAKING. I THINK IT OPENS OUR BOARD UP TO MAKE MORE IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAN HAVING, THINGS LIKE THIS ON THEIR AGENDA OR HAVING. I ALSO FEEL LIKE, ALTHOUGH I RESPECT CHAIR MILEY'S POSITION THAT PERHAPS IT TAKES OUT SOME OF TH, OPINIONS, IT'S JUST REACHING A DECISION BASED ON THE MERIT OF THE APPLICATION. SO IT SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN YOU PUT IT IN FRONT OF A BOARD OF 5 TO 7 PEOPLE, EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS AND THAT. SO I THINK IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BENEFIT THAT DIVERSITY TO HAVE THE STAFF MAKING THE DECISION BASED ON CRITERIA AND NO EMOTION INVOLVED. THANK YOU. I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING THIS, BUT SOMETIMES REASONS THEY LIKE TO HAVE A CITY MANAGER MAKE A DECISION IS TAKE THE HEAT OFF OF THE COUNCIL FOR HAVING TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS. AND YOU KNOW, I WASN'T THERE WHEN THIS DISCUSSION WENT ON. BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS KIND OF STUFF BEFORE, THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE ENTERED SOME OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS BY MAKING IT, LIKE YOU SAID, A CRITERIA BASED DECISION THAT THE CITY MANAGER MAKES, AND THEN POLITICS DON'T NECESSARILY GET INVOLVED IN IT WHEN THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE IN IT. BUT THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT THAT YOU MAKE, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THESE THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN JUST PLAIN DRIED CRITERIA. SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO ON THAT ONE. BUT I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S POINT OF VIEW ON THAT. BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT IN THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF THE CONSIDERATION. AND TO ADD ON TO WHAT YOU SAID, BOARD MEMBER, WATSON, I SO THE CRITERIA NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE, THE CRITERIA DOES NEED TO BE IN PLACE SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IN WRITING, WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS AND WHAT EXPECTATION IS SET SO THAT NO ONE FEELS THAT ONE GROUP, ONE GROUP OR WHATEVER IS BEING LIKE THERE'S ANY FAVORITISM. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE, AND IT ALSO NEEDS TO GO IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL SO THAT AGAIN, ONE PERSON DOES NOT HAVE TO MAKE THAT HARD DECISION. AND AS A GROUP, THE PEOPLE WHO WE ELECTED TO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY CAN SIT BEFORE US AND MAKE THAT DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT EVENT SHOULD TAKE PLACE. HUM OH, I AGREE, IT'S A IT'S A TOUGH ONE. IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH.ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, MADAM CHAIR, THE FIRST IS, MISS NIKKI PARKER. HELLO, I'M NIKKI PARKER. HOW ARE YOU GUYS? CAN YOU TURN TURN THE MIC, HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS NIKKI PARKER. I'M A UNFAMILIAR FACE TO THESE MEETINGS, BUT I'M FAMILIAR TO ALMOST EVERYBODY THAT'S IN HERE. I AM A RESIDENT OF BOOKER PARK, INDIAN TOWN. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I OWN THREE BUSINESSES. 1597, APOTHECARY SOLUTIONS, RESPECT AND HORSEMANSHIP, EQUINE CONSULTANTS, AND I OWN, I'M SORRY, HIS AND HERS, LANDSCAPING AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. SO I FEEL LIKE MY VOICE NEEDS TO BE HEARD. I DO AGREE WITH CHAIR, CHRISTINA. MILEY, I'M A RESIDENT HERE AND WHEN IT COMES TO DECISIONS, I FEEL LIKE THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ELECTED. SO MY TAX DOLLARS, EVERYBODY'S TAX DOLLARS IN HERE, THEY GET PAID FROM OUR TAX DOLLARS. SO WHEN IT COMES TO SETTING A STANDARD OR SETTING A PRECEDENCE, YES. THOSE THINGS THEY SHOULD APPLY. RULES APPLY TO EVERYBODY. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THAT WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE HIRED FOR, AND I UNDERSTAND I AGREE WITH, MR. WATSON, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE GETTING IN TROUBLE, MAYBE OVERSTEPPING MY BOUNDARIES. BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF OF THEMSELVES. BUT AS A RESIDENT OF INDIAN TOWN OF BOOKER PARK, IT IS IMPERATIVE BECAUSE THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WRITE THAT THINGS LIKE THIS SHOULD BE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, I DO HORSES, SO LET'S JUST USE THE RODEO AS AN EXAMPLE, OR LET'S JUST USE THE EVENTS THAT MR. WATSON HAS AT THE MARINA. IF, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, I WANTED TO HAVE AN EVENT IN BOOKER PARK AND MY EVENT IS DENIED, OR THE APPLICATION IS DENIED BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON, BECAUSE ONE PERSON MADE THAT DECISION. I'M GOING TO FEEL LIKE, HEY, THEY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ME BECAUSE NOT BECAUSE OF RACE, BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE ME, MAYBE THEY HAVE A VENDETTA AGAINST ME, OR MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE MY MOM OR MY DAD, OR MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE ME BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON. MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE
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THE WAY I WEAR MY HAIR, OR THE WAY I TALK, OR MY POLITICAL AFFILIATION, OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION IS. BUT I FEEL LIKE THE VILLAGE MEMBERS, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PAID TO HELP DICTATE AND DELEGATE FOR U. RIGHT? SO IF WE IF MY TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR THEM TO DELEGATE, DELEGATE DECISIONS AND MAKE DECISIONS FOR ME, I FEEL LIKE AS A WHOLE, THEY SHOULD MAKE THE DECISIONS, NOT JUST ONE PERSON. AND I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YES, I FEEL LIKE THAT IT SHOULD BE A LIMIT ON, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SIZE AMOUNT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THIS WHATEVER IS GOOD FOR YOU, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ME. WE HAVE TO BE INCLUSIVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO BECAUSE WE'RE A DIVERSE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN. LET'S TAKE THAT AND LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, BREAK THAT DOWN LINE BY LINE, WORD BY WORD. YOU KNOW, THAT IS IMPERATIVE. GUESS WHAT? YOU MIGHT LIVE UPTOWN. I LIVE IN BOOKER PARK, BUT WE'RE ALL FROM INDIAN TOWN, CORRECT? WE'RE ALL FROM INDIAN TOWN. SO WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU AND MAY. IT MAY BE NOT GOOD FOR ME. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU? IT PROBABLY AIN'T GOOD FOR ME.BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN OPEN MINDSET. THIS IS THIS IS A DEMOCRACY, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO HAVE AN OPEN MINDSET. WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION EVERYTHING AS A WHOLE. NOT OKAY.
OKAY, MAYBE MY MUSIC IS LOUD, BUT MAYBE THAT'S CULTURALLY HOW IT AFFECTS ME. BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR MUSIC? SO WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE AN OPEN MINDSET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. DARRYL HOLMES.
GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS DARRYL HOLMES, NEW TO INDIAN TOWN, BUT NOT NEW TO INDIAN TOWN. AFTER THE LAST MEETING HERE WITH THE VILLAGE COUNCIL, IT WAS A WHOLE LOT THAT DISTURBED ME MOST IMPORTANTLY WAS THE CONDESCENDING TONE COMING FROM TWO OF THE MEMBERS AND I HAVE TO REMIND THEM THAT INDIAN TOWN, AS A HISTORICALLY BLACK COMMUNITY, DOES NOT NEED THEIR HAND HELD.
THEY AREN'T A PETULANT CHILD THAT NEEDS GUIDANCE. I'M SPEAKING A BOOK APART. THEY AREN'T LOST AND NEED HELP FINDING THEIR WAY. THAT IS A COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN DOING THINGS THEIR WAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. COME UP TO DATE, CATCH UP TO SPEED. WE HAVE A VILLAGE COUNCIL NOW. WELL, SOME OF THE THINGS WE WERE TOLD IN THE PAST MEETING. WHAT WAS THAT TUESDAY, THURSDAY, THURSDAY THAT THE LDR, THE GUY THAT SAT THERE SAID THE LDR WAS ALREADY CHANGED. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER MEETING ON THAT OR. WELL, LO AND BEHOLD, I'M THE TYPE OF CITIZEN I'M GOING TO LOOK INTO WHAT YOU SAY. YOU CAN'T JUST TELL ME NOTHING. I'M CYNICAL. I DON'T BELIEVE NOTHING UNTIL I SEE IT. SO THAT'S JUST ME. SO I HAPPENED TO GO IN AND LOOK. NOW I SEE THAT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE SEEMS TO BE SPECIFICALLY CHANGED FOR A CERTAIN EVENT IN BOOKER PARK. NOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT SAY MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT, AND THEN YOU HAVE TODAY WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING SPECIAL EVENTS AND HONESTLY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF IT. IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A CRITERIA THAT APPLIES FOR THEE, THOU THEM, AND US, IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT IT ALSO CAN'T BE LANGUAGE INSERTED TO SPECIFICALLY TARGET A COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT BE WHITE, BLACK, HISPANIC OR WHATEVER. BECAUSE LANGUAGE MATTERS. WORDS MATTER. SO IF I'M CALLING IT A SPECIAL EVENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT MOVES FROM THAT TO A MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I'D HAVE TO LOOK IN FURTHER TO SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL DEFINITIONS ARE, AS FAR AS THE MANAGER MAKING THE DECISIONS AND MAKING THAT DECISION, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE A CRITERIA THAT IS BEYOND HIM. YOU MET THAT CHECK. YOU MET THAT CHECK. YOU MET THAT CHECK. YOU GET THE PERMIT. IT SHOULD BE NO FEELINGS INVOLVED. IT SHOULD BE. WELL, LET ME RUN THIS BY SO AND SO. NO NO NO NO NO. THERE'S A CRITERIA IN PLACE. YOUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT CRITERIA IS MET SO THAT THESE FOLKS CAN RECEIVE THE PERMIT. AND THAT SHOULD BE IT. THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IF IT'S JUST
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YOU OR HIM AND FEELINGS GET INVOLVED. YOU MEET THE CRITERIA, YOU GET THE PERMIT. THANK YOU.THANK YOU. MISS KIMBERLY JACKSON BROWN. HELLO. HELLO. I'M KIMBERLY JACKSON BROWN, VICE PRESIDENT OF CONCERNED CITIZENS FOR BOOKER PARK. ALSO, CONCERNED CITIZENS OF BOOKER PARK. WE HOST SWAMP FEST AND, THE BIGGEST THING ABOUT NOT HAVING THE COUNCIL INVOLVED IS EXCLUDING THE DIVERSITY BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED. WE HAD ALL THESE ACCUSATIONS AND ACCUSATIONS AND ALLEGATIONS, AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM. AND I JUST HAD A SIDEBAR WITH THE MAYOR TO FOR ONE, THAT WAS CARMINE THAT SAT THERE. THE OTHER DAY AND HE SAID, OH, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. WELL, I JUST ADDRESSED THE MAYOR AND SAID, HEY, WERE THOSE CHANGES ADOPTED ALREADY? BECAUSE SHE HAD JUST SAID IT AGAIN, BUT IT WASN'T. SO THAT'S DECEIVING. THE COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU SIT THERE AND YOU SAY, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS, OKAY, WE DON'T NEED YOU GUYS. WE DON'T NEED A MEETING BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THIS WHEN IT WASN'T TAKEN CARE OF. AND IT TAKES SOMEBODY DIGGING INTO IT. SOMEBODY'S READING AND ACTUALLY SAYING, OH NO, NO, WE GOT A MEETING COMING UP. LET'S TRY TO GET TO THESE MEETINGS. AND I ADMIT THAT I HAVE TO BE MORE INVOLVED AS A RESIDENT OF THIS COMMUNITY. NOW, AS FAR AS HAVING ONE PERSON TO HANDLE THIS, THAT ONE PERSON. AND I DON'T WANT TO BLAME HER BECAUSE SHE WORKS FOR THE COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL WORKS FOR US AND WE DIDN'T CONSENT TO ANY OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED. ALL THE BACK DOOR ANTICS WHERE YOU GET A VENUE AND THEY GO TO THE HOST, THE VENUE, THE VENUE OWNER TO SAY, HEY, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT THESE PEOPLE ON YOUR PROPERTY? HERE, HERE'S A VIDEO OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED.
HERE'S THIS WHAT GOES ON? AND IT WAS FAKE NEWS. NONE OF IT HAPPENED WITH US. WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE. NO SHOOTINGS, NO FIGHTING, NO ANYTHING, NOTHING BUT A PEACEABLE EVENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND IT'S NOT JUST I WOULDN'T SAY I'M GOING TO SAY OUR PEOPLE. I'M GOING TO SAY OUR PEOPLE. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY? IF EVERYBODY IN INDIAN TOWN, I LOOKED AT INDIAN TOWN THROUGH ROSE COLORED GLASSES, I SAID, HEY, WE'RE A PLACE OF LOVE. WE'RE A PLACE OF UNITY. AND HEY, I GOT A RUDE AWAKENING THIS PAST SUMMER. SO NO, WE SHOULDN'T LEAVE IT IN ONE PERSON'S HANDS.
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY THERE WON'T BE ANY FEELINGS INVOLVED, THERE ARE FEELINGS INVOLVED. BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT EVERYBODY THAT PUTS IN AN APPLICATION, THEY DO NOT GO TO THE VENUE. THEY DO NOT. THE POLICE IS OVER HERE SAYING, WELL, WE DIDN'T DO IT. THEY'RE SAYING, OH, THE POLICE DID IT. AND THE POLICE SAY, OH NO, WE DIDN'T DO IT. WE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH YOU GUYS. WE ENJOYED IT. AND THEN WE GET OVER HERE AND THEY SAY, OH NO, THIS ONE DID IT. AND EVERYBODY'S DOING THIS. SO GUESS WHAT? WHEN WE GOT ALL THESE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE AND THEY REPRESENT EVERYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEN WE CAN SAY WE CAN HAVE A FAIR DECISION AND WE CAN GO WITH WHATEVER THEY SAY. I AGREE, CHECK IT OFF. YOU DID THIS BECAUSE WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE WAS ASKED TO DO. EVERYTHING. ANOTHER THING YOU GUYS NEED TO ADDRESS, HAVING SOMEBODY HAVE THEIR INSURANCE AND HAVE ALL IT PAY ALL OF THIS STUFF WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR PERMIT. BUT THEN YOU DENY THE PERMIT AND WE CAN'T GET OUR MONEY BACK FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY. WE CAN'T GET OUR MONEY BACK WHEN WE PAYING THE SHERIFF $5,000 UP FRONT. WE CAN'T GET ALL OF THIS STUFF BACK. BUT WE GOT TO DENY APPLICATION. FOR WHAT? BECAUSE YOU DECIDED NOBODY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE GOT SOME PEOPLE THAT CAME UP FORWARD AND SAY WE DIDN'T ASK THEM TO PUT NO, NO TRESPASSING SIGNS ON OUR PROPERTY, BUT THEY WENT AROUND COMING UP TO SWAMPFEST TO EVERY VACANT PROPERTY AND PUT NO TRESPASSING SIGNS AND BLAMED IT ON THE CITIZEN. WHEN THE CITIZENS ARE SAYING WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT, THEY CAME TO US. AND THAT IS NOT HOW IT'S DONE, BECAUSE WE CALLED TO CHECK TO SEE HOW IT'S DONE. THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO TO THEM AND MAKE THE MAKE THE COMPLAINT. NO, YOU DON'T GO TO THE CITIZEN AND SAY, HEY, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT YOUR TIME EXPIRED? THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. THAT IS IT.
CHRIS, I ASKED A QUESTION OF WADE JUST TO MAYBE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. YES. GO AHEAD.
WADE, IS THERE AN APPEALS PROCESS? IF THE CITY MANAGER WAS TO DENY A PERMIT APPLICATION, IS THERE A APPEALS PROCESS TO THE BOARD PROPOSED ANYWAY? WHAT'S U? SET OUT RIGHT NOW IN THE SET.
OUT RIGHT NOW IN THE ORDINANCE IS, IT IS AN APPEAL. THIS MAY SOUND WEIRD. IT'S VERY COMMON IN IN A LOT OF, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURAL MATTERS. IT IS AN APPEAL, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AN APPEAL TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. IT'S AN APPEAL TO THE VILLAGE MANAGER. IT'S EFFECTIVELY AN
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ENTITLEMENT TO BE ABLE TO COME BEFORE THE VILLAGE MANAGER. IF THERE HAS BEEN A DENIAL TO SPEAK DIRECTLY WITH THE VILLAGE MANAGER TO ADDRESS THAT. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE TO TALK TO THE VILLAGE MANAGER, BUT NOT TO GET IN FRONT OF THE BOARD WITHOUT JUST SHOWING UP AND SPEAKING ABOUT IT IN THE THREE MINUTES BEFORE BEFORE A MEETING. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO OFFICIAL WAY TO GET TO THE BOARD IN THE IN THE CURD, NOR ORDINANCE. THERE IS NOT. THAT'S CORRECT.BOARD MEMBER UNSICKER AFTER HEARING THE PUBLIC'S TESTIMONY AND INPUT HERE TODAY, I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD HAVE. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF A CUT. YOU KNOW, THE CRITERIA BASE EVERYBODY'S. YOU CHECK OFF A CHECKLIST, YOU EITHER DO IT OR YOU DON'T. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE APPEALS PROCESS SHOULD GO BEFORE OUR BOARD. THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE, IF I MAY, IS THE TIMING. BECAUSE YOU HAVE WHAT, BOARD MEETINGS EVERY TWO WEEKS. AM I CORRECT? SO THAT COULD YOU COULD SEE HOW THAT COULD CAUSE A TIME RELATED ISSUE. IF SOMEONE WAS TO COME IN 30 DAYS, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO WEEKS LATER, THEY GET DENIED, THEN THEY WANT TO APPEAL BEFORE THE BOARD. CAN YOU GET IT ON THE. BECAUSE THE AGENDA HAS TO BE ADVERTISED AND SO ON. AND SO FORTH. AND SO, I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE MORE WORK. WELL, THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF APPLYING FOR THEIR PERMITS 365 DAYS IN ADVANCE. SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO A BIG THING LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS DO, BY THE WAY, I HEAR NOTHING BUT GOOD STUFF ABOUT YOUR EVENT, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO GIVE THEMSELVES TIME TO GET THEIR APPLICATIONS IN EARLY, I THINK THAT 365 TO 30 DAYS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT 30 DAYS PRIOR. YOU CAN DO IT EARLIER THAN THAT. AND I THINK THAT LEAVES THAT OPTION OPEN FOR AN APPEALS PROCESS. IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY TROUBLE, THEN GET YOUR PERMIT APPLICATION IN SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE. IT'S NOT HARD TO DO.
YOU GUYS KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT FOR THE MOST PART, RIGHT? AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS BEFORE YOU HAVE TO. AND I DO THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE INSURANCE AND THE POLICE BEING PAID UP FRONT. I THINK THAT'S GOT TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE THESE THEY CAN'T YOU KNOW, BE PUT IN THAT POSITION AND THEN HAVE A DENIAL. YES. YEAH, I AGREE. UNDERSTOOD.
IT'S GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE WE DID A LOT OF IRONING OUT IN THE GIVE ME JUST ONE SECOND HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO LAY EYES ON ONE PIECE CONCERNING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND, AND FIRE RESCUE HERE, GIVE ME ONE SECOND. OKAY, SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT WE HAVE, THE REVISED VERSION OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE, IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS THAT THE REQUIREMENT UPON APPLICATION, OKAY, TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE APPLICATION IS THAT YOU HAVE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADVISED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MARTIN COUNTY FIRE RESCUE OF THE EVENT, PROVIDE THEM THE INFORMATION AND ASK THEM FOR EVALUATION OF IT TO TELL THEM THE REQUIRED LEVEL OF STAFFING. THERE WILL NOT BE A REQUIREMENT UNDER THIS THAT YOU PAY BEFORE THE PERMIT IS APPROVED. YES, MA'AM. AND I'LL I'LL ADDRESS THAT IN A MINUTE. BUT THE, WITH REGARD TO THIS, IT WOULD BE, THAT YOU'VE ENGAGED WITH THEM, GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR ASSESSMENT IS OF WHAT LEVEL OF SUPPORT YOU'LL NEED AND SO ON. BY APPLYING, YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY SAYING WHATEVER THEY SAY IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ENGAGE. AND THEN WHEN THE, PERMIT IS GRANTED, YOU ENGAGE IT AND PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT YOU'VE ENGAGED WITH THEM, PAID THEM, TO THE VILLAGE. BUT THAT'S AN AFTER APPLICATION APPROVAL WITH REGARD TO, INSURANCE. THIS IS A STICKY WICKET. ALL RIGHT, BECAUSE I WILL JUST SHARE WITH YOU. AND IT'S NOT, IN REGARD TO JUST THIS EVENT, IT'S A COMMON THING HERE IN OTHER PLACES. IT BECOMES VERY PROBLEMATIC GETTING GETTING FOLKS TO GET THEIR CERTIFICATES OF INSURANCE MADE OUT IN THE PROPER FORM. AND PROVIDING PROTECTION TO THE VILLAGE. AND TO US IN A TIMELY MANNER. SO AT SOME TIMES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO REQUIRE LOOK, THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF YOU LET IT BE, WE'LL LET THAT FLOAT AND GET IT TO US. AFTER YOU SUBMIT THE REST OF THE APPLICATION, IT BECOMES THE THING YOU'RE CHASING UNTIL THE END. AND I HAVE HAD INSTANCES I CAN SHARE WITH YOU, AT LEAST IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHERE THEY'VE TRIED TO BE LAX ABOUT IT. AND THAT CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE JUST NEVER SHOWED UP. AND AGAIN, THAT THAT'S NOT TO ANYONE IN THIS ROOM OR ANYTHING HERE. IT IS JUST AN OCCURRENCE THAT HAPPENS. AND FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE VILLAGE, IT'S SOMETHING WE GOT TO KEEP AN EYE ON, WE CAN TRY TO THINK MORE OUTSIDE THE BOX BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE OUT OF
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POCKET. WHAT ABOUT A CONTINGENT PERMIT? MEANING IT'S CONTINGENT UPON A, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CONTINGENT UPON YOU GETTING SHOWING US PROOF OF INSURANCE. YOUR PERMIT IS APPROVED WITH CONTINGENT UPON PROOF OF INSURANCE. YOU KNOW, THEN THEY KNOW THEY'VE MADE IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. THEY'VE JUST GOT TO GET THE INSURANCE TO ACTUALLY GET THE PERMIT IN HAND. AND THEN IF IT'S NOT TURNED IN WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE EVENT, THEY THEIR PERMIT IS WITHDRAWN. SO LET ME LET ME OFFER YOU THE PRACTICAL CONCERN BECAUSE IT, IT IT SOUNDS IT SOUNDS GREAT ON PAPER WHERE WE END UP WITH AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT SPEAKING TO ANY PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THE SWAMPFEST OR ANY PARTICULAR EVENT, BUT I HAVE SEEN IT IN ALL MANNER OF JURISDICTIONS. YOU END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE IT'S THE PERMIT IS GRANTED CONTINGENT ON GETTING THIS ONE PIECE OF PAPER AN IMPORTANT ONE. AND THEN IT COMES TO BE THREE WEEKS BEFORE, AND YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT TWO WEEKS BEFORE. YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT NOW. THEY'VE SPENT THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THIS.AND NOW EVERYBODY'S ENGAGED. THE EVENT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHETHER YOU IF THE CITY OR THE VILLAGE OR WHATEVER SAYS YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN US THIS THING, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERMITTED AS A PRACTICAL MATTER IS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAYS. AND THEN WE RUN INTO THE, THE WE RUN INTO BIG PROBLEMS. SO, I'M JUST OFFERING TO YOU, I'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE. WHERE GRANTING A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT CONTINGENT ON GETTING A PIECE OF PAPER. THEN THAT PAPER DOESN'T SHOW UP. AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY. THE EVENT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING. AND THEN PEOPLE SHOW UP ANYWAYS. AND WHERE YOU AT? SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT TO ARGUE AGAINST THE IDEA THAT THERE ISN'T SOME CREATIVITY THAT CAN BE PUT TO IT, BUT WELL, WHAT ABOUT THAT SOLUTION I'VE SEEN? LIKE WE DO WITH A WITH A PROJECT? WELL, WITH ANY PROJECT YOU COME IN FOR A STAFF, A STAFF MEETING OR A STAFF, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS POSSIBLY WHERE YOU GO THROUGH AND STAFF SAYS, OKAY, YOU MEET, YOU MEET ALL THESE CRITERIA IN THE PRE-APPLICATION, NOW THEY'RE GOING TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE GOING AND PURCHASING THE INSURANCE, KNOWING THAT THEY THEORETICALLY MET THE CRITERIA, ASSUMING NOTHING ELSE CHANGES IN THE IN THE MEANTIME, SO THEY CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE TO GO BUY THE INSURANCE AND THEN THE ACTUAL PERMIT PROCESS WOULD, WOULD TAKE PLACE. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF A PRE-APP PROCESS. PROCESS? YEAH. AND AT LEAST KNO, YOU KNOW, OKAY, YOU GOT TO GET THESE TEN THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY ONCE THEY'VE CHECKED ALL THOSE OFF, THEN THEY CAN FEEL, OKAY, WE NEED THESE ITEMS TO GIVE YOU THE, THE PERMIT QUITE, QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS NOT A BAD IDEA. AND I JUST WANT TO OFFER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE FOLKS FROM SWAMP FEST HERE AND JUST FOR ANYBODY. WE HAVE 60 DAYS IN THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT NOW. IT'S GOING TO 30. THAT'S NOT TO INVITE ANYONE TO WAIT TILL 30 DAYS. THAT IS TO AVOID SOME SITUATIONS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WHERE PARTICULARLY ON SMALL EVENTS WHERE IT WOULDN'T TAKE TOO MUCH AND FOLKS DON'T THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL THE 62ND DAY, AND THEN THEY DON'T GET IT INTO THE 58TH, AND THEN WE'RE IN A MESS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SMALL AND SHOULD BE EASY. TECHNICALLY, IT CROSSED THE LINE AND SO ON, THAT 30 DAYS IS NOT AN INVITATION TO WAIT TILL DAY 30 BEFORE TO DO IT, AND PERHAPS ADDING A SENTENCE, AUTHORIZING BASICALLY A PRE-APPLICATION. YOU CAN COME IN AND MEET WITH STAFF AND GO OVER TO PRE VERIFY THAT THAT YOU MEET ALL THE CRITERIA BEFORE YOU SUBMIT YOUR FORMAL APPLICATION.
WE COULD ADD SOMETHING THAT AUTHORIZES AND STRONGLY ENCOURAGES A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING. PRIOR TO FORMAL APPLICATION TO CONFIRM THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THE CRITERIA THAT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE SOMETHING SO THEY CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THAT THAT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT IN AN INSTANCE WHERE IF THE IF THE CHAIR WANTS TO LET YOU SPEAK, I'D SUGGEST COME UP TO THE MIC.
YEAH, YEAH. YOU CAN COME TO THE MIC. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT, IN AN INSTANCE WHERE WITH AN EVENT LIKE THE SWAMP FEST, WHERE WE DIDN'T MIND PURCHASING OUR INSURANCE. MISS KIM, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? KIMBERLY JACKSON BROWN, WE DIDN'T MIND PURCHASING OUR INSURANCE BECAUSE WE CHECKED OFF EVERYTHING WE HAD. EVERYTHING CHECKED OFF. EVERYTHING WAS ALL OUR DUCKS WERE IN A ROW. THERE WAS NO REASON WE DID THE WHOLE CHECK OFF, SO THERE WAS NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T GET A PERMIT. BUT THEN WE RAN INTO ALL OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE WE HAD PEOPLE GOING TO OUR VENDOR, TO OUR VENUE HOSTS SAYING, HEY, YOU SURE YOU WANT THIS VILLAGE STAFF? YOU SURE YOU WANT THIS? YOU SURE YOU DON'T? AND NOW WE GOT NO TRESPASSING SIGNS. WE GOT INSURANCE. NOW WE GOT TO PAY AGAIN TO EVEN CHANGE EVERYTHING ON THE INSURANCE TO A DIFFERENT VENUE. SO WE CAME OUT OF POCKET A COUPLE OF TIMES. SO WHAT'S TO STOP US FROM RUNNING INTO
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SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE WE WERE ALL SET. WE HAD A VENUE. WE HAD EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ASKED US FOR BECAUSE WE CAME HERE AND WE SAID, WE'RE NOT HERE TO FIGHT, WE WANT TO COMPROMISE, AND WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER. WHATEVER YOU TELL US WE NEED TO DO, WE GET RID OF THAT EXTRA DAY. WE'LL CUT OUR TIME BACK, WHATEVER. WE JUST WANT TO HAVE OUR EVENT TURNED IN. EVERY SINGLE THING CHECKED OFF EVERYTHING. AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, OH, YOU GUYS CAN'T HAVE YOUR EVENT THERE BECAUSE OF X, Y, Z. SO IN AN EVENT LIKE THAT, WHAT HAPPENS? WE GOT THE INSURANCE. WE DID EVERYTHING WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING MORE. AND THEN WE RUN INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WHAT HAPPENS? SO THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT PEOPLE DON'T JUST COME OUT OF OUR POCKETS. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. MOST PEOPLE WILL SAY, OKAY, THE EVENT IS GOING TO GO ON ANYWAY. BUT THEN THERE ARE SOME OF US WHO TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, TAKE PRIDE IN OUR ORGANIZATION, WHO NOT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO RISK IT SO WE WON'T DO IT. SO YOU GOT TO CONSIDER US TOO. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MR. VOSS, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO BEFORE, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, COUNCIL, ARE WE ABLE TO. HOW CAN WE INCLUDE LANGUAGE? INDICATING. BECAUSE I'M WILLING TO, LIKE, GO ALONG WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES.WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE VILLAGE MANAGER HAVING. SO POWER TO MAKE THAT MAKE THE DETERMINING DECISION ON SPECIAL EVENTS. SURE. SO, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THE BOARD MAY HANDLE IT, IF THERE'S DISCUSSION AMONG THE, THE BOARD MEMBERS TO, TO INCLUDE A REVISION THAT MIGHT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN TO SOME DEGREE, IF NOT COMPLETE, COMPLETELY, THEN, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A MOTION THAT INCLUDES THAT IF A MOTION IS MADE THAT THAT YOU CAN'T AGREE WITH, ON THAT, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, ULTIMATELY, IF YOU CAN'T SUPPORT A MOTION, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD VOTE AGAINST IT. IT CAN BE NOTED IN THE, THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING THAT YOU SUPPORTED ALL OF IT, BUT DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT THAT ONE PIECE. BUT ULTIMATELY IT COMES DOWN TO WHATEVER THE MOTION ENDS UP BEING, THE, YOU KNOW, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE WITH, WHATEVER RECOMMENDED CHANGES, YOU'D HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD LIVE WITH THE THOSE RECOMMENDED CHANGES. SO, SO I WOULD ASK THE YOU HAVE YOUR THING. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO ACQUIESCE TO HER FIRST. SHE'S GOT JUST A MINUTE. SO I WOULD ASK, MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, WHICH I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU MAY HAVE ATTENDED THE MEETING ON THURSDAY, MAY, OR MAY NOT HAVE ATTENDED THE MEETING ON THURSDAY. AND TERRY, MISS TERRY MADE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT SHE EVEN DISSENTED. IN THE VILLAGE MANAGER MAKING THAT ULTIMATE DECISION. SO IF I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE, BUT. IF WE CAN DISCUSS LIKE, I THINK IT'D BE OKAY TO ASK THE VILLAGE COUNCIL TO REVISIT THE ISSUE WITHOUT TELLING, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THE SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO, BUT THAT WE HAVE A GRAVE CONCERNS. OR THERE ARE SOME SAY, GRAVE. WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE SOLE POWER SHOULD SHOULD SIT WITH THE VILLAGE MANAGER OR THE COUNCIL AND ASK, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THEY'RE GOING TO REVISIT IT ANYWAY, OR THEY'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID HERE TONIGHT, I THINK WE COULD TAKE A STAB AT A MOTIO, THAT MIGHT INCLUDE A FEW OF THE FEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, ALONG WITH ASKING THE VILLAGE COUNCIL TO REVISIT THE ISSUE OF WHO HAS THE ULTIMATE LAST SAY IN APPROVING A PERMIT, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK, WADE? YEAH. NO NOT YET, AND I DO. BUT BEFORE YOU ALL MAKE A MOTION, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, ALL RIGHT. UNLESS CERTAIN THINGS OCCUR, IT IS RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY, THE VILLAGE MANAGER WHO MAKES THE DECISION. OKAY, IT IS ONLY IN INSTANCES WHERE, WHERE THERE'S A NEED FOR STREET CLOSINGS, FOR OFF STREET PARKING, FOR AMPLIFIED ENTERTAINMENT.
VILLAGE, CO SPONSORSHIP OR, ATTENDANCE OVER 1500 OR A FIREWORKS DISPLAY. SO ONE OR MORE OF THOSE THAT IT GOES TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY OF THOSE, IT'S
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ALL STAFF ALREADY. OKAY. SO WE DO HAVE EXISTING. THAT'S UNDER THE CURRENT RULE, RIGHT? EXACTLY SO, PUTTING ASIDE FOR THE FOR A SECOND, THE IDEA THAT IT MIGHT GO THE OTHER DIRECTION AND EVERY SINGLE ONE COMES TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL, EVEN ONES LIKE THAT, WHICH I WOULD OFFER TO YOU, SMALL ONES, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION, THE QUESTION WOULD BE I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST MAINTAINING IT THAT WAY OR NARROWING IT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, SOME LESSER SET OR SAYING THE VILLAGE MANAGER MAKES IT, BUT IT CAN BE APPEALED TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS WITHIN THAT SPECTRUM. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT, I'LL TRY TO MAKE A STAB AND WE CAN SEE HOLD ON A SECOND. SO MR. VOSS, TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID IN REGARDS TO, IN THE PAST, IT WOULD ONLY GO TO THE VILLAGE IF CERTAIN CRITERIA WARRANTED TO GO IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL. SO IS WHAT BEFORE US TODAY. NOT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. AND IT'S FOR THIS MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT. SO LET ME. YEAH, LET ME GO AHEAD AND ACTUALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MENTIONING THAT REAL QUICK BECAUSE I WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING WITH REGARD TO SOMETHING BROUGHT UP BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS A CONCERN. THERE SO, NOTHING IN THIS, IN THIS REDRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED SPECIFICALLY TO BE IN RELATION TO BOOKER PARK OR SWAMPFEST OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS. EVERY SPECIAL EVENT THAT THE VILLAGE HAS EXPERIENCED SINCE ITS FOUNDING THROUGH NOW, INCLUDING, SWAMPFEST, HAS INFORMED LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CHANGES COULD BE MADE IN THIS ORDINANCE TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR EVERYONE.OKAY. WITH REGARD TO THE IDEA OF A MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT, THAT'S ACTUALLY A NARROWING. OKAY. IT IS SETTING THAT DEFINITION OF MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT TO SAY, EVENTS OVER 250. IT'S NOT INCREDIBLY BIG, BUT IT'S EVENTS OVER 250. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY EVEN HAVE TO TALK, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO EVEN TALK WITH MARTIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND, AND MARTIN COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE JUST, SWAMPFEST. THAT WOULD BE ANY EVENT ANYWHERE IN THE VILLAGE THAT HAS OVER 250, ANTICIPATED ATTENDEES. SO, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT THOUGHT. I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE, ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT JUST AS AN ASIDE AS WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, I DO SEEM TO RECALL FROM THE LAST VILLAGE COUNCIL MEETING, I RECALL COUNCIL MEMBER DEPAULO DID AT FIRST INDICATE HE THOUGHT THAT THE, SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCE REVISIONS HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH AND SO ON. I SEEM TO RECALL THAT ON IN THE PUBLIC MEETING THERE THAT I STEPPED IN AND CORRECTED HIM, THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH AND DONE THAT YET. SO I THINK THAT WAS JUST COMING FROM HIS NOT RECALLING AT THAT MOMENT PRECISELY WHAT STEP IN THE PROCESS IS. THESE PROCESSES CAN BE YOU KNOW, DRAWN OUT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT FOR THE RECORD. BUT THANK YOU. AND BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, CAN YOU CAN ADDRESS. HI EVERYBODY. AGAIN. MY NAME IS NICKY PARKER. I HAVE A DUMB QUESTION AND I KNOW NO QUESTION IS DUMB RIGHT. SO I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH, BUT BEFORE I YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THE RESEARCH, THE CHAIR, SHE TALKED ABOUT IT AND YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I, I KIND OF NEED A LITTLE CLARITY ON A MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT, AND I KNOW IT'S LIKE 250 OR ABOVE, BUT SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, I GO TO A SAVED, SANCTIFIED, HOLY GHOST FILLED FIRE BAPTIZED CHURCH, RIGHT? AND WE SPEAK IN TONGUES AND LAY HANDS ON ALL OF THOSE GOOD THINGS. SO AT ANY TIME WE CAN HAVE OVER 250 PEOPLE. AND I KNOW YOU, YOU, YOU IMPLIED THAT IF IT'S A CHURCH, BUT WHAT IF THE PARKING OR WHATEVER. OKAY, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY DIES AND IT'S A FUNERAL, THAT IT THE PARKING. RIGHT. SO SAY FOR EXAMPLE, AND I'M NOT POINTING A FINGER AT ANYBODY AND I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT CHURCH BECAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT LIKE AT CHURCH, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE SOMETIMES THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE REVIVALS, THEY HAVE LIKE TENT REVIVALS. SO HOW CAN WE SAY DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW WHAT? MR. BOSS? BOSS BOSS, BOSS. I'M SORRY, MR. WADE. IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY 249 PEOPLE. THAT'S UP. NO. SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, THE LANGUAGE WHEN IT SAYS MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT, BECAUSE WHEN I, WHEN I GOT HERE EARLIER, YOU WERE JUST SAYING SPECIAL EVENT. SO I'M JUST KIND OF CONFUSED. I JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE CLARITY.
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BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT, I LOOKED AT MIAMI DADE. NO. HENRY? NO. LEE NO, ALL THESE COUNTIES. I LOOKED UP THE INFORMATION, AND THE LANGUAGE IS CONFUSING. AND I HAVE SOME COLLEGE RIGHT DEGREE, BUT I'M CONFUSED, SO I YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE HER, MISS, I CAN'T MISS RENITA OR WHATEVER. MA'AM, THE MEMBER THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE LANGUAGE, I THINK THAT SOMETIMES IT CONFUSES. LIKE THE COMMON LOCAL NATIVE PERSON. LIKE ME, I THINK I'M KIND OF SMART, BUT SOMETIMES WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, IT CONFUSES ME. RIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS SO BROAD THAT THAT'S WHERE IT IS. YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING PEOPLE AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE, SO THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. UNDERSTOOD SO, THIS MAY BE, TRY TO BE AS HELPFUL AS POSSIBLE ON THIS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING HERE TONIGHT AND WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS ADDRESSED TO IS OUR SPECIAL EVENTS REGULATIONS. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A WHOLE BIG, LONG DEFINITION, INCLUDING A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXCEPTIONS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. WHAT IS A SPECIAL EVENT? RIGHT AND THEN IF IT'S A SPECIAL EVENT, IT'S GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THESE RULES AND APPROVAL. THE ONLY THING THAT THAT HAVING THE CATEGORY OF MAJOR SPECIAL EVENTS, A SPECIAL EVENT THAT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL EVENT, AND IT'S GOT OVER 250 FOLKS, IT'S ACTUALLY.THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT CAN TRIGGER IT, IT'S EITHER, 250 OR MORE FOLKS, OR A SPECIAL EVENT THAT INCLUDES ROAD CLOSURES OR RIGHT OF WAY USAGE. OKAY, SO THAT'S TWO WAYS. BASICALLY THE ONLY THING THAT MEANS WE GOT ALL THESE REGULATIONS, IF IT TRIGGERS ONE OF THOSE TWO THINGS, IT JUST TRIGGERS AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT. AND THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT IS, HEY, YOU'VE GOT TO SUBMIT YOUR PLANS TO MARTIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, MARTIN COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. HAVE THEM LOOK AT IT AS WELL TO EVALUATE IT, TO SEE, HEY, ARE THEY GOING TO NEED ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT SUPPORT OR ARE THEY GOING TO NEED ANY FIRE RESCUE SUPPORT. AND THAT'S BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE EVENT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND REMEMBER THAT'S THE KEY. THAT'S THE KEY DISTINGUISHING FACTOR HERE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE FUNERALS AND SO ON, IS SPECIAL EVENTS ARE ARE ADDRESSING EVENTS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S ALL THAT MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT MEANS IS IT HAS THAT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT. MARTIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, MARTIN COUNTY FIRE RESCUE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLANS AS WELL. IN ADDITION TO JUST VILLAGE STAFF. AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT IN IN HOUSE AT THE VILLAGE. IF WE HAD IT IN HOUSE AT THE VILLAGE, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE THAT THRESHOLD. WE JUST SEND EVERY PLAN OVER TO OUR IN-HOUSE ONES AS WELL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THEM. SO THAT'S ALL THAT IS. IT'S JUST THAT ADDITIONAL THING AT THAT THRESHOLD. DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT TRIGGERED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S SMALLER. AND IT IS I UNDERSTAND IT IS VERY, IF YOU DIDN'T SEE SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT THINGS THEY COULD CALL IT, IT IS A COMMON THING TO HAVE DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS FOR DIFFERENT ATTENDANCE SIZES IN SPECIAL EVENTS, ORDINANCES. BUT OF COURSE, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT SPECIAL EVENTS. ORDINANCES CAN BE DIFFERENT. I HOPE THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT.
THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT IT'S A FAIRLY SIMPLE FIX. I THINK THE FOLKS HERE CAN AGREE THAT, WE SHOULD HAVE A WAY OF GETTING THIS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS IF THERE'S AN APPLICATION OF DENIAL. SO FOR AN APPEAL, AS YOU STATED, THE PROCESS IS ALREADY IN THE HANDS OF THE MANAGER, UNLESS SOMETHING TRIGGERS IT NEEDING TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE SIMPLEST ANSWER IS ALL THE REVISIONS, ALL THE WORDING, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THIS, PROPOSAL IS EXCELLENT, EXCEPT FOR WHERE WE ARE FINDING THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC FEELS LIKE PUTTING IT ALL IN ONE PERSON'S HANDS IS QUESTIONABLE. SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE APPROVE THE CHANGES, BUT ADD VERBIAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR ANYONE THAT'S HAD THEIR PERMIT AT LEAST 60 DAYS IN ADVANCE TO DO AN APPEAL. IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, IF THEY'VE GOT A PROBLEM. AND ALSO ADDING THE PRE PRE QUALIFICATIONS MEETING ALLOWING FOR THEM TO GET BASICALLY ALL THE APPROVAL THAT THEY NEED AND
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THEN PAY FOR THEIR INSURANCES AND, AND SECURE THE, THE POLICE FORCE AND ALL THAT. SO FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, MARTIN COUNTY REQUIRES CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH TOO, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR POLICE AND FIRE, AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT REQUIRE A REVIEW SAFETY REVIEW. SO WE'RE JUST GOING ALONG WITH AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT, THAT WE GO ALONG WITH WHAT MARTIN COUNTY REQUIRES FOR THESE EVENTS TO HAVE POLICE PROTECTION AND FIRE PROTECTION? WE'RE JUST GOING ALONG WITH WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. IS THAT NOT CORRECT IN. YEAH IN PARTICULAR, WITH REGARD TO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT MARTIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MARTIN COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ADDING IN WITH THE MAJOR EVENT.WE'RE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO CLARIFY IT, THAT IT'S ANYTHING OVER 250 THAT THEN WOULD KICK IN THAT REQUIREMENT FOR POTENTIALLY FIRE OR SHERIFF DEPARTMENT SUPPORT. SO I BELIEVE THAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT IF THERE'S A REASON FOR THE BOARD TO PROCESS ANY KIND OF REVIEW OR APPEAL, THAT WE NEED TO SET UP SOME SORT OF VERBIAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR TIME. IF THESE GOOD FOLKS GET THEIR APPLICATION IN 3 OR 4 MONTHS EARLY, AND LET'S SAY WE HAVE TO CUT THAT APPEALS PROCESS OBVIOUSLY OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME. MAYBE IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR APPLICATION IN AT THE 60 DAY POINT WHERE IT IS NOW, THEN THERE'S NO APPEALS PROCESS. YOU'VE LOST YOUR RIGHT TO APPEA.
BUT IF YOU IF YOU'RE DILIGENT AND YOU GET YOUR, APPLICATION IN PRIOR TO 60 DAYS, THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, IF WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT SOME WORDING IN LIKE THAT, I THINK MAYBE IT WOULD BE SATISFACTORY AND THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, I'M NOT ENTERTAINING, A MOTION AT THE MOMENT. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION. MR. WADE, THAT I NEED CLARIFICATION ON, PLEASE. YES, MA'AM. SO, IF CERTAIN CRITERIA TRIGGERS, WHETHER IN THE PAST CERTAIN CRITERIA, CRITERIA WOULD TRIGGER IF, THE PERMIT WENT BEFORE THE BOARD, SUCH AS ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU NEEDED, THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS THE 1500 PEOPLE. IF IT WAS HAVING AN EVENT AND IT HAD 1500 PEOPLE, IT WOULD TRIGGER IT TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. SO WITH SAID CHANGES, DOES THAT STILL HAPPEN OR IT DOESN'T HAPPEN? AND THE DECISION IS MADE BY THE VILLAGE MANAGER. SO UNDER THE ORDINANCE, AS IT'S BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THE THE PROVISION THAT SAYS, WHEN ANY ONE OF THE LIST OF THINGS I LISTED OUT BEFORE 1500 OR MORE ATTENDEES BEING ONE OF THEM, ANY OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, THEN THE APPLICATION HAS TO GO IN FRONT OF THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. THAT REQUIREMENT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT UNDER THE CURRENT DRAFT, NOW AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO THE MOTION THAT WAS JUST, DESCRIBED A MOMENT AGO, IT WOULD NOT BE HAVING IT AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL IN, IN EVERY INSTANCE OR ON THOSE CRITERIA. BUT IN AN INSTANCE WHERE, AN APPLICATION WAS DENIED AND THEY WANTED TO APPEAL IT TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL AND FOR POINT OF DISCUSSION, AGAIN, IT MAY ACTUALLY BE ADVANTAGEOUS FROM THE POINT OF GETTING IT APPROVED QUICKER. YOU KNOW, THE VILLAGE MANAGER, LET'S SAY THE VILLAGE MANAGER SAID THEY CHECKED OFF ALL THE CHECKS. HERE'S YOUR PERMIT. ONLY IF YOU GET DENIED BY THE VILLAGE MANAGER, WOULD YOU NEW IMMEDIATELY FILL OUT THE, YOU KNOW, APPEAL PROCESS TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD? IT MAY ACTUALLY SPEED UP THE PROCESS IN MOST CASES, UNLESS THERE'S AN ISSUE, I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD WHEN I SAY THIS, NOW ONE THING, IS THERE A TIME CERTAIN THAT STAFF MUST REVIEW AND RENDER A JUDGMENT ON A PERMIT APPLICATION? IF THERE IS SO UNDER THE, UNDER THE REVISED DRAFT ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU, THIS IS DOWN ON PAGE 11 OF THE DRAFT NOTICE OF REJECTION. VILLAGE MANAGER SHALL TAKE ACTION ON AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WITHIN TEN DAYS AFTER THE FILING THEREOF, AND SHALL NOTIFY THE APPLICANT OF THE APPROVAL WITHOUT CONDITIONS OR DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION WITHIN FIVE DAYS. IF THE APPLICATION IS DENIED, IS DENIED A WRITTEN NOTICE STATING THE REASONS FOR DENIAL SHALL BE SENT TO THE APPLICANT, MADE AVAILABLE BY THE VILLAGE FOR INSPECTION WITHIN THE FIVE DAY PERIOD SPECIFIED ABOVE. SO, THEY HAVE TO THEY GET IN THE, APPLICATION. THE
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APPLICATION IS, IT CONFIRMED TO BE COMPLETE AND COMPLETE IN THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ASKED YOU FOR EVERYTHING. THIS IS EVERYTHING YOU'RE GIVING US. AND THEN WITHIN TEN DAYS AFTER THAT, THEY RENDER A DECISION. OKAY. SO LET'S LET'S STOP THERE FOR A SECOND. SO SOMEONE COMES IN, THEY THINK THEY'VE GOT EVERYTHING, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING. SO NOW THEY COME IN AND LET'S SAY IT'S AT 30 DAYS. SO THE CLOCK IS STARTING. SO THEN THEY THE STAFF SAYS NO YOU NEED X Y, Z. SO THEY GOT TO COME BACK IN FIVE DAYS LATER. IF THE X Y Z. SO AT THAT POINT THEY'VE GOT A COMPLETE APPLICATION AT THAT POINT. AND THEN STAFF HAS TEN DAYS FROM THE COMPLETE APPLICATION TO RENDER A VERDICT. AND I WANT TO MENTION A POINT HERE, WHICH AGAIN IS WHY I WANT TO STRESS IN THE STRONGEST TERM, GOING FROM 60 TO 30 DAYS IS NOT INTENDED TO INVITE PEOPLE TO SUBMIT 30 DAYS BEFORE. RIGHT? BECAUSE IF FOLKS WALK IN WITH FIVE OF THE EIGHT PIECES OF PAPER THEY MEET NEED ON THE 30TH DAY, THE NEXT DAY, ON THE 29TH DAY, WHEN THOSE ADDITIONAL PIECES OF PAPER ARE NOT ON FILE, IT IS UNTIMELY. YEAH. THIS IS THIS IS THE AND THIS IS AN ISSUE WE'VE WE'VE DEALT WITH. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOING FROM 60 TO 30 IS TO IS SOLELY HAS ITS ORIGIN IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE SOME PAPER DIDN'T GET IN UNTIL A COUPLE DAYS AFTER THAT.AND IN A GIVEN INSTANCE IT WAS STILL, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME. BUT IT WAS UNTIMELY. SO IT IS IT STRONGLY, IT IS VERY WISE FOR ANY APPLICANT FOR ANY EVENT, PARTICULARLY ANY EVENT OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE OR SIZE, TO APPLY WELL BEFORE THAT 30 DAY MARK SO THAT THEY CAN CONFIRM THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION IN BY THE DEADLINE. AND KEEP IN MIND, IT'S THIS IS UNIQUELY DIFFERENT THAN SAY, YOU KNOW, THE VARIANCE YOU HAD EARLIER TONIGHT, RIGHT? FOLKS MAY COME IN WITH THE STUFF AND SAY ALL RIGHT, HERE'S EVERYTHING UP. WELL, YOU'RE MISSING TWO THINGS. YOU MISSED THE DEADLINE TO GET ON THIS AGENDA, SO. OH, WHOOPS. OH, WELL THEY'RE ON. THEY'LL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA AFTER THAT. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. NOT WHAT THEY WANTED, BUT NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT AND THAT EVENT IS GOING TO BE ON A DAY AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT DAY, IT'S MUCH MORE OF AN ISSUE, WHICH IS WHY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO APPLY WAY EARLY. BOARD MEMBER UNSAGA YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SO I DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE 30. THE CHANGE TO THE 30 DAYS INITIALLY BECAUSE FOR THIS VERY REASON, IF YOU JUST RUN OUT OF TIME, IT'S REALLY PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE STAFF TO GET THAT DONE IN 30 DAYS, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS. SO IF WE DID A, IF WE LEFT IT AT 60 DAYS, BUT GAVE A 30 DAY APPEAL PROCESS, WOULD THAT GIVE STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO APPLY WITHIN 60 DAYS BEFORE YOUR THING, BUT YOU GIVE THAT PROCESS A 30 DAY PERIOD. AND THEN AT THAT 30 DAY, YOU CAN'T BRING ANYTHING ELSE IN AFTER THAT. YOU'VE GOT TO GET EVERYTHING DONE BETWEEN THAT SIX 31ST DAY AND THAT 60TH DAY. BUT REALLY, YOUR APPLICATION STATES THAT YOU NEED TO GET IT IN AND THEN YOU'VE JUST GOT THAT PROCESS, PERIOD, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT HAVING 30 DAYS IS GOING TO INVITE PEOPLE TO DO IT ON DAY 31. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR ANYBODY.
SO I DON'T AGREE WITH THE CHANGE FOR THE 30 DAYS. I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT LANGUAGE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE THE APPLICATION NEEDS TO BE IN 60 DAYS BEFORE YOUR EVENT, AND THEN THERE'S AN APPEALS PROCESS THAT CAN TAKE UP WHATEVER THE EVERYBODY AGREES TO IS A DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME FOR STAFF TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY NEED, AND THEN THEY COMPLY WITHIN THAT 30 DAYS, BECAUSE MOST OF THESE BIG EVENTS TAKES MONTHS AND MONTHS TO DO ANYWAY. SO PEOPLE SHOULD GET THEIR PAPERWORK IN ON TIME. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WHAT EVENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT WAS A SAD SITUATION, BUT PEOPLE JUST NEED TO GET THEIR PAPERWORK IN ON TIME. AND IF WE HAVE THAT APPEALS PERIOD IN THERE FOR A DENIAL, NOT FOR YOU TO RUN IN YOUR PAPERWORK IN BETWEEN THE 60 AND THE 30TH DAY THAT YOU JUST FORGOT TO DO. BUT AN APPEALS PERIOD WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY THAT FORGOT TO DO SOMETHING, TO FILE AN APPEAL AND SAY, OOPS, I FORGOT. I GOT A DENIAL, BUT I FORGOT TO DO THIS PIECE OF PAPER. I CAN BRING IT IN. I'LL HAVE IT TO YOU BEFORE THE 30TH
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DAY IS UP. IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT SOME WAY OF INCORPORATING THAT. BUT LEAVING THE DEADLINE FOR APPLICATION AT 60 DAYS, I BELIEVE IT WOULD SERVE EVERYONE BETTER FOR A MAJOR FOR ANY SPECIAL EVENT. WELL, EXCEPT NO. WELL, FOR I'D SAY FOR REGULAR SPECIAL EVENTS. THE LITTLE ONES LEAVE AT 30 DAYS, BUT THE MAJOR, MAYBE 60, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IT'S THIS IS A TOUGH ONE, GUYS.I THINK IT LEAVING IT AT 60. ANYWAY, BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EVENT THAT'S PUBLIC AND PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM THE PUBLIC, THEN YOU PLAN IT AHEAD OF TIME. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PLAN AN EVENT AND HAVE IT 60 DAYS LATER. SO I THINK ALL EVENTS SHOULD BE AT 60 DAYS FROM THE AUDIENCE. I THINK MIGHT WE MIGHT ENTERTAIN ONE. THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IT NEEDS TO BE SAID. MY NAME IS DARYL HOLMES AGAIN, AND I SPOKE BEFORE I SAID THAT LANGUAGE MATTERS. IT DOES.
MANAGER UNDERSTANDS THAT HE'S SPEAKING THE LANGUAGE. HERE IT SAYS UNDER SECTION 3-5. TEN SPECIAL EVENTS. SPECIAL EVENTS IS CROSSED OUT. THERE'S A DEFINITION HERE THAT IS UNDERLINED AND IT SAYS MAJOR SPECIAL EVENTS. THE MANAGER SPOKE ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS TRIGGERING THE SPECIAL EVENT. IT'S NOT HOW IT HAPPENS. I MEAN THAT MAY BE THE LANGUAGE HE DECIDES TO USE. THAT'S FINE. AND I'M A STRAIGHT SHOOTER. IT'S NO DISRESPECT. THIS IS JUST HOW I TALK. EITHER YOU HAVE THIS TYPE OF EVENT, THIS TYPE OF EVENT, OR THIS TYPE OF EVENT. THERE ARE NO TRIGGERS THAT SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU'VE MOVED TO A SPECIAL NO, I'M COMING TO YOU AS A SPECIAL EVENT. I'M COMING TO YOU AS A MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT. THERE ARE NO TRIGGERS. MAJOR SPECIAL EVENT A SPECIAL EVENT LANGUAGE AGAIN ESTIMATED TO HAVE 250 OR MORE ATTENDEES OR A SPECIAL EVENT THAT INCLUDES ROAD CLOSURES OR RIGHT OF WAY USAGE WHILE THE APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES. LANGUAGE FINAL DETERMINATION OF THE ESTIMATED NUMBER OF ATTENDEES SHALL LANGUAGE MADE BY VILLAGE MANAGER BASED ON ALL AVAILABLE INFORMATION. ALL OF THIS IS NEW LANGUAGE. ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN ADDED. NOW I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER EVENT IN INDIAN TOWN WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT BE IN THE STREETS PARTYING, WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT BE IN THE STREETS MOVING AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M SAYING THIS TO SAY THAT ALL OF THIS NEEDS TO BE REVISITED BY EVERYBODY. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PASSED THROUGH WILLY NILLY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE'RE HERE TODAY, AND THIS IS THIS NEEDS TO BE REVISITED. THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT IS VERY DISTURBING TO ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN HERE. THE VILLAGE MANAGER SHALL DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES TO MY, MY EVENT. AND I'VE ALREADY TOLD HIM HOW MANY GOING TO BE HERE, BUT HE CAN DECIDE. NO, THAT AIN'T HOW MANY. IT'S GOING TO BE 1500. SO NOW IT TRIGGERS SOMETHING ELSE. AND NOW WE GOT TO JUMP THROUGH THESE HOOPS. NOW LANGUAGE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT, VERY QUICKL, THE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, BEFORE YOU ARE SPECIAL EVENT REGULATIONS. WE HAVE ALL THESE REGULATIONS THAT THAT APPLY HERE. IT IS ONLY WHATEVER PHRASEOLOGY ONE MIGHT USE WHEN IT EXCEEDS SOME THRESHOLD IN EITHER THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES OR ROAD CLOSURES OR RIGHT OF WAY USAGE. AGAIN, THESE ARE THESE ARE ROADS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND THEN THE VILLAGE USING ITS AUTHORITY TO CLOSE THOSE ROADS, YOU KNOW, FOR A GIVEN INSTANCE AND SO ON. IT'S IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE IN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, THE EVALUATION WAS THAT YOU'D HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE RESCUE EVALUATION OF THOSE EVENTS THAT IMPACT THE ROADWAY NETWORK
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IMPACT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE OVER 250 ATTENDEES BE EVALUATED FOR BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE RESCUE, ACTUALLY, THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE WITH REGARD TO THAT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYBODY. I'M NOT THE VILLAGE MANAGER. I'M THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY, AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. I'M SITTING WHERE THE VILLAGE MANAGER NORMALLY SITS SO I CAN, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY YOU BRING UP A VERY GOOD POINT BECAUSE YOU'VE PUT YOUR APPLICATION IN, YOU'VE ALREADY GONE TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SAID, I'M GOING TO HAVE 300 PEOPLE. THEY MAKE AN EVALUATION WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED LAW ENFORCEMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED FIRE RESCUE, THEN THE VILLAGE MANAGER COULD SAY, NO, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 600 PEOPLE. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT TRIGGERS A WHOLE NEW THING IN THERE. AND I SEE WHERE THAT COULD BE A CATCH 22 SITUATION. SO I'M JUST I THINK I AGREE THAT I, I THINK THAT THIS NEEDS A LITTLE MORE TIME THAN JUST OUR RECOMMENDATIONS GOING TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD MAKING A FINAL DECISION. I THINK IT NEEDS MORE WORK, BECAUSE, LOOK, THIS IS WE NEED TO GET THIS AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO BEING RIGHT. IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE PERFECT BECAUSE, YOU SEE, THERE'S TOO MANY VARIABLES THAT CAN HAPPEN. BUT BUT, AND MEMBERS, WE, WE DON'T WE DON'T NORMALLY ENCOURAGE THIS OFTEN, BUT THIS OF COURSE, IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO THE VILLAGE. VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL, BUT TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND TO EVERYONE. IF, YOU WANTED TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, MOTION HERE TONIGHT, A MOTION, TONIGHT COULD BE REQUESTING THAT STAFF GO BACK, MAKE SOME REVISIONS PURSUANT TO A MOTION YOU WOULD DIRECT, AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL ONE MORE TIME. AGAIN, THAT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A GENERAL HABIT OF THAT BECAUSE OFTEN IT'S THE CASE, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE THINGS ON THROUGH AND SO ON. BUT THIS IS, AGAIN, AS I SAID, A VERY IMPORTANT MATTER FOR THE COMMUNITY AND SO ON. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD WHETHER TO MAKE HAPPEN IN THIS INSTANCE. I DO WANT TO MENTION AND THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE SOME BETTER WAYS TO, TO ADDRESS IT. THERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I'VE SEEN ALL OVER THE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIAL EVENTS. AND, IT HAS TO DO WITH, IF YOU HAVE A THRESHOLD OF ANY GIVEN NUMBER 250. LET'S SAY I, I CAN COUNT ON BOTH HANDS AND BOTH FEET, AT LEAST JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IN JURISDICTIONS AROUND THE STATE WHERE FOLKS WILL WALK IN WITH AN APPLICATION AND IT WILL SAY, 249 AND THAT'S NOT. AND THEN THE EVENT ENDS UP HAVING 700 TO 1000 PEOPLE. AND THAT'S NOT HELPING ANYTHING. SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. AND BY THE WAY, KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT ANY EVALUATION OR ANY DETERMINATION THAT WOULD BE MADE BY THE VILLAGE MANAGER OR ANY STAFF OR WHATEVER HAS TO BE BASED ON, AS IT SAYS HERE IN THE LANGUAGE, BASED ON ALL AVAILABLE INFORMATION. IT IS NOT BASED ON POLITICAL WILL OR WHIM. IT IS NOT BECAUSE I SAY SO. IT'S 10,000 WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATED TO BE 300, AND IT MIGHT BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 300 AND 500 THAT THEY SAY IT'S 6000. THAT'S OUT OF BOUNDS. OKAY. YOU'RE ALL YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THESE THESE EDGE ISSUES. WHAT YOU CAN'T HAVE IS SITUATIONS WHERE FOLKS COME IN AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. I'M NOT SUGGEST WITH ANYBODY HAVING TO DO WITH SWAMP FEST OR ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY HERE IN INDIANTOWN, BUT WE NEED TO PUT OUR RULES TOGETHER IN SUCH A WAY SO THAT FOLKS CAN'T COME IN AND GAME ANYTHING. AND THAT'S ALL THAT IS MEANT TO ADDRESS. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ULTIMATELY, AN APPLICANT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THROUGH AN APPEALS PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO IF THERE'S SOME SOMEBODY SUSPECTS, THERE'S YOU KNOW, DON'T DON'T AGREE ON THE NUMBERS THAT THEN THEN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS, MAKE THE FINAL, FINAL JUDGMENT CALL ON THIS. SO, CHRIS, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY TO. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT? WADE JUST PROPOSED, THAT WE ASK THAT THE STAFF GO BACK WITH ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT'S TAKING PLACE TONIGHT WITH THE PUBLIC. AND THIS BOARD TO RELOOK AND REVISIT ALL OF THESE ISSUES AND SEE IF WE CAN REFINE THIS EVEN FURTHER AND COME BACK TO THIS BOARD WITH ANOTHER, SECOND. YEAH. OKAY MR. WILLIAMS, ARE YOU GETTING HUNGRY? CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? BOARD MEMBER SAWYER, I AGREE. BOARD MEMBER. WILLIAMS. BOARD MEMBER. WATSON. AGREED. BOARD MEMBER. PRESSLER. YES. CHAIR. MILEY YES. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND[02:00:02]
DO IT. THANK YOU. ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. YES. GOOD[5.
Monthly Director's Report
]EVENING, DEAN FREEMAN. COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, DIRECTOR, CAN WE HAVE PEOPLE CLOSE THEIR MICS, PLEASE, FOR THE FEEDBACK? I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SHARE MY SCREEN, WE HAVE, FROM THE AGENDA. WE HAVE THIS SUMMARY OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE UNDER REVIEW, THE LIST OF APPLICATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED. I'M SORRY, I'M STILL GETTING FEEDBACK. IF SOMEBODY'S GOT A MIC OPEN, IT'S. YOUNG MAN. WILL. YES OKAY, GUYS. SO THE SUMMARY OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN IN REVIEW CURRENTLY, THE INDIAN TOWN GO CART IS A PROJECT THAT WE'RE PENDING RESUBMITTAL FROM THE APPLICANT TEAM, 2830 HOLDINGS IS A VERMONT PERFORMANCE BOATS, 11,733FT■S.DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE A DRAFTED DEVELOPMENT ORDER. IT'S CLOSE TO APPROVAL AS A MINOR STORE. AWAY IS ANOTHER ONE. THAT'S AN ADDITION. THAT'S A MINOR SITE PLAN THAT'S, CLOSE TO DEVELOPMENT ORDER, BEING ISSUED THE DOLLAR TREE IS, A MINOR SITE PLAN APPLICATION THAT'S UNDER REVIEW, JUST PENDING A COUPLE OF MINOR CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. INDIAN TOWN WASTEWATER TREATMENT, PLANT PROPERTY IS THE CEDRON, WE JUST HAD THE APPLICATION RESUBMITTED.
THE APPLICANT TEAM, THIS WEEK. SO THAT WASN'T UPDATED ON THIS AGENDA. RCC CONSTRUCTION IS THE REMOVAL OF LOT LOT NINE IN THE VENTURE PARK PAD AS PART OF THE RCC APPROVAL. SO THAT'S, CLOSE TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL AS A MINOR SITE PLAN. DE MARCELLUS IS AN ADDITION OF 19,500FT■S OF MANUFACTURING AND THEN, WE'VE GOT DUPLICATION. APOLOGIES FOR THE INDIAN TOWN, THAT'S THE SUMMARY OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE IN REVIEW. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT THE APPROVE, WHICH IS AN EXTENSIVE LIST, THE ONE OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT'S BEEN ADDED IS THE SEMINOLE CROSSING. IT WAS A MINOR SITE PLAN, JUST RECONFIGURATION ON SOME LOTS, WHICH WAS PROCESSED AND APPROVED, WITH A DEVELOPMENT ORDER. THAT'S THE END OF THE DEVELOPER. DEVELOPMENT SUMMARY OF THE APPROVALS AND IN REVIEW PROCESS, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO RESPOND.
THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS. I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT AND JOINING OUR MEETING TONIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE ADJOURN.
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