Nov 02, 2023 Planning, Zoning, and Appeals Board

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WE'RE ABOUT TO BEGIN OUR MEETING. CALL TO ORDER. ALRIGHT. ROLL CALL. CHAIR PALMER

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HE'S ONLINE. REMEMBER WATSON HERE? REMEMBER WILLIAMS. HI BANDO. OKAY WE'LL HAVE OUR INVOCATION BY UM, BOARD MEMBER WILLIAMS. FOLLOWING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ARE PROBABLY GOD IN HEAVEN. WE COME THERE. CLOSE UP ANOTHER DAY IN AND THANK YOU HAVING THE FATHER FOUR. ALLOWING US TO BE IN THIS DAY. I CAN'T AGAIN CONTINUE TO GO WITH US AND STAND BY US AND LEAD US HEAVENLY FATHER FOR ONE SPIRITUAL DEGREE OF GRATION TO ANOTHER. BUT THE WORDS ARE MILD AND MEDITATION OF OUR HEARTS. BE ACCEPTABLE IN YOUR SIGHT. LOT OF STRENGTH AND ALREADY IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS. WE PRAY AMEN.

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OKAY, OKAY. SO DO WE. COULD BE PAID. JUST MOVE ONTO THE NEXT, OKAY? OKAY, I'LL REGULAR AGENDA.

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AN ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO CREATE CHAPTER 8, DIVISION 2, TO BE ENTITLED "MOBILITY PLAN AND MOBILITY FEES"; PROVIDING FOR AUTHORITY, PROVIDING FOR GENERAL PROVISIONS FOR MOBILITY FEES, DEFINITIONS, PURPOSE, AND RULES OF CONSTRUCTION; PROVIDING FOR ADOPTION OF THE MOBILITY PLAN AND MOBILITY FEE TECHNICAL REPORT; PROVIDING FOR IMPOSITION OF MOBILITY FEES AND A MOBILITY FEE SCHEDULE; PROVIDING FOR A PROCESS FOR REVIEW OF ALTERNATIVE AND SPECIAL FEE DETERMINATIONS; PROVIDING FOR MOBILITY FEE CREDITS; PROVIDING FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF MOBILITY FEE BENEFIT DISTRICTS; PROVIDING FOR THE FUND ACCOUNTS, EXPENDITURES, AND REFUNDS; PROVIDING FOR EFFECTS ON LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS; PROVIDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL AND SERVICE CHARGES; PROVIDING FOR REQUIREMENTS FOR ANNUAL REPORTING, REVIEW AND UPDATES; PROVIDING FOR AGREEMENTS, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, VESTED RIGHTS, AND APPEALS; PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS; AND PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

PROVIDING FOR EFFECT ON LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS PROVIDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL AND SERVICE CHARGES, PROVIDING FOR REQUIREMENTS FOR ANNUAL REPORTING. REVIEW AND UPDATES, PROVIDING FOR AGREEMENTS IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENTS, VESTED RIGHTS AND APPEALS, PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS AND PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE. AND PCB MEMBERS. GOOD EVENING. THIS ITEM THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS AN ITEM THAT HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT NOW SINCE 2021 WE HAVE ONLINE TONIGHT, REPRESENTATIVES FROM NEW URBAN CONCEPTS WHO HAVE, UH, IN UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE VILLAGE, DEVELOPED THE MOBILITY PLANNING MOBILITY FEE THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING WITH YOU ABOUT IT. I JUST WANT TO TEE UP. SOME VERY, UM VERY OVERALL BASICS OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT. AS YOU MIGHT RECALL.

WITHIN THE COUNTY. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF IMPACT FEES THAT ARE CHARGED ON NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES IN WITHIN THE COUNTY. ONE OF THOSE IMPACT. THESE IS A TRANSPORTATION ROADS IMPACT THE THAT IS CHARGED BY MARTIN COUNTY. UM. AS YOU ALL RECALL FROM PREVIOUS TIMES THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED THE HOPE AND THE PLAN HAD BEEN FOR THE VILLAGE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A

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WHAT WE HAVE IN THE MOBILITY FEES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT FROM NEW URBAN CONCEPTS IS A MOBILITY FEE SET OF MOBILITY FEES THAT HAVE BEEN STRUCTURED TO KEEP THEM AT OR BELOW WHAT THE TOTAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT. THE IMPACT. WOULD BE ON DEVELOPMENT SO THAT IT DOES NOT GO ABOVE WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS UNDER THE COUNTY'S REGIME. SO I JUST WANTED T THAT UP A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU. THAT'S KIND OF THE WINDOW WE'RE WORKING IN. AND I'D LOVE TO INVITE. DO WE HAVE JONATHAN? OR DO WE HAVE LAUREN ON? ABSOLUTELY GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. AND JONATHAN OR LAUREN, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED.

JONATHAN GIVE JONATHAN GIVE US JUST ONE MINUTE. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ADJUST SOME VOLUMES SO EVERYONE IN THE ROOM CAN HEAR GIVE US JUST ONE SECOND. AND MEMBERS. I WOULD SUGGEST WE KEEP OUR MICS OFF UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK. JUST WE CAN AVOID. JONATHAN. GO AHEAD. QUESTION ABOUT THE PLAN ITSELF, IS IT.

JONATHAN I'M VERY I'M VERY SORRY . CAN YOU HOLD ON JUST ONE MORE MINUTE. WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. JONATHAN ARE YOU ABLE TO TURN YOUR VOLUME UP?

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BILITY FIRE.

TOLD THE IMPLEMENT.

THIS IS THE OVERALL MOBILITY AREA.

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THERE ARE. ONE TO PAY FOR IT.

ONE TO THE NORTH. THIS IS LARGELY.

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MAN CHAIR. BOARD MEMBERS. I BELIEVE JONATHAN AND NEW URBAN CONCEPTS OF WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR COMMENTS I JUST START WITH MISS UM, BOARD MEMBER HANS SINGER.

YES SIR. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFICATION ON WHAT VISION ZERO IS.

WHETHER PEOPLE WALK.

IT DOES SET. THE PLAN ITSELF DOES NOT.

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OR HIGHER THAN THE FEES THAT MARTIN COUNTY IT IS CURRENTLY CHARGING. UM SO WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? OTHER THAN. NOT OUT PRICING OURSELVES TO ESTABLISHING EQUIVALENT EQUIVALENT. FEES WITH MARTIN COUNTY.

AND THE COST OF THEM. FIRST PROBLEM. THE VILLAGE.

THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. MAKE YOUR LIFE TOMORROW. YOU READ MY MIND, JONATHAN. I WAS JUST GOING TO ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE EVERYTHING JOBS AND JUST SAID WAS COMPLETELY CORRECT ON THAT, BUT JUST THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY.

WHEN YOU SEE CALCULATED MOBILITY FEES ARE CALCULATED IMPACT FEES. THAT'S CALCULATED OUT BY THE CONSULTANT AS BEING THE AMOUNT THAT'S JUSTIFIED BY EVERYTHING THAT WAS STUDIED IT REALLY WHAT THAT IS. THAT'S THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT'S JUSTIFIED ALRIGHT THAT THAT COULD BE DEFENDED IN COURT UNDER THE LEGAL STANDARDS, RIGHT? IT IS WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OF CITIES AND COUNTIES TO FIND OUT ALRIGHT, WE'RE ALLOWED TO CHARGE THIS MUCH, BUT WE DECIDE THAT THERE ARE GOOD POLICY REASONS OR STRAIGHT POLITICAL REASONS WHY WE WOULD IMPOSE IT HERE. INSTEAD OF HERE. WE JUST CAN'T GO HERE. YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE WHAT THAT CALCULATED MAXIMUM BIZ, BUT POLICY DECISIONS CAN BE MADE TO GO LOWER. AND THAT'S WHAT THE ADJUSTED ON THIS CHART HERE. THE ADJUSTED INDIAN TOWN MOBILITY FEE. CONSTITUTES. IT'S AN ADJUSTMENT. DOWNWARD FROM WHAT. MAX JUST LEGALLY JUSTIFIABLE FEE WOULD BE UH, THAT THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR CONSULTANT. AND IN PARTICULAR HERE, IT'S AN ADJUSTMENT DOWN TO FIT INTO THAT PERCENTAGE THAT THE COUNTY IS REDUCED. WAIT. UM, SO THE. FOLKS THAT HAVE ALREADY COME THROUGH ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE FEES BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THEY WERE APPROVED IN THE MARTIN COUNTY RATE ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A SHOCK TO THE DEVELOPERS. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S CORRECT THE TOTAL IMPACT SLASH MOBILITY FEES ON. NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BUT HAS NOT PULLED BUILDING PERMITS YET. HE IS GOING TO END UP BEING AT WORST, EXACTLY THE SAME. IN SOME INSTANCES, I THINK YOU HEARD IN THE AND JONATHAN DIDN'T REALLY DIED DEEP INTO IT THERE, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE TABLES, AND JONATHAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG UM, THERE IS AND ACTUALLY LOWER. INDIAN TOWN MOBILITY FEES SET OUT IN THEM IN THE SCHEDULE FOR MIXED USE PROJECTS. AND I THINK THAT'S PRIMARILY BASED ON WHAT THEY CALL INTERNAL RECAPTURE THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SET. AT LEAST SOME TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO BE GOING ON WITHIN THAT

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OKAY, LET ME ASK MY. OKAY? OKAY? RIGHT? SO. WHERE IN THE ORDINANCE DOES IT STATE THAT MARINA INCLUDING DR STORAGE WILL BE MEASURED IN UNITS OF AN ACRE. BECAUSE WHEN I'M ON PAGE 29 D HE SAYS. OKAY SO I DON'T I SEE THAT IN MARK COUNTIES. OF SCHEDULE THERE IS THAT MARK GUY. WAS IT OR WAS THAT THE ONE THAT GOES WITH IT? IN MARTIN COUNTY AS PER SLIP. OKAY OKAY, BUT BECAUSE IT SAY THAT IN THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT. YES. SO, JONATHAN, UM YET DO DO YOU RECALL UP TOP YOUR HEAD? COULD YOU POINT US TO WHERE? UH WHERE WE WOULD FIND THE NOTATION THAT THAT IT'S PER BIRTH. AND SO ON. AND BY THE WAY, YOU YOU ARE ON WITH THE OWNER OF THE INDIAN TOWN MARINA TO VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE SORT THIS OUT CORRECTLY , SO IF YOU COULD POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.

WELL, THAT. WELL LET'S YEAH, LET'S UM AND THIS IS THIS IS GREAT TO SORT THIS OUT. THE SORT THIS OUT. SO, UM YES, IT IS. JONATHAN OR ARE YOU SAYING IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE VERSION THAT WAS SENT TO BE THE EXHIBIT TO THE ORDINANCE THAT IT MIGHT HAVE, UM, SOMEHOW BEEN A COLUMN THAT WAS INADVERTENTLY, UM HIDDEN OR. UH HUH.

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AND 65 CENTS. IN OUR NUMBER IS 501. IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE DR STORING THE NUMBER OF VOTES YOU HAVE AN INDIAN TOWN MARINA. CONSIDERABLE SOME MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN MARTIN COUNTY WOULD CHARGE. THEORETICALLY SPEAKING. PUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF DRIVE STORAGE. UM. SO I'M CONCERNED THEIR BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT NOT BEING ANY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MARTIN COUNTY, BUT IT CERTAINLY APPEARS AND IF WE DID IT RIGHT TODAY. YEAH WE'LL GET THIS BECAUSE IT IS.

SCHEDULE. YOU KNOW IF I COULD, AND THE REASON I THINK THAT MARTIN COUNTY TREATS IT DIFFERENTLY IS THE NUMBER OF SLIPS PERSON MIGHT GO TO A BOAT IN THE WATER MUCH MORE OFTEN THAN THAT, BUT THAT A PERSON WOULD VISIT A BOAT TO BE STORED ON THE HARD, FOR EXAMPLE, INDIAN TIME ARENA. WE HAVE BOATS THAT SIT THERE FOR YEARS AND PEOPLE DON'T COME SEE HIM. SO, UM THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO BOATYARDS IN ANY TOWN, AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE IN THE FUTURE. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GET THIS STRAIGHT. AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GOING TO APPLY TO ALL THESE OTHER. CATEGORIES AS WELL. WHAT WHAT IS THE PROPER UNIT OF MEASURE? AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO WHAT? RUNNING THAT OFF RIGHT NOW TO GO THROUGH IT. SO, UM SO ONE THING AND WE CAN WE CAN HAVE A RUNNING NOTE OF MIRANDA OR REVISIONS. WHAT HAVE YOU UM. IN IN ANY RECOMMENDATION COMING OUT OF THE BABY TONIGHT, I'D RECOMMEND THAT REVISION IN THAN ANY OTHER ONES THAT THAT WE MIGHT COME TO. I WOULD SAY THAT.

YEAH I WOULD HAVE TO BE. I KNOW WE WANT TO. I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET THIS MOVING FORWARD AND GET IT DONE. I'M A LITTLE HESITANT AS AS OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST. WHAT WE'RE TOLD. DON'T WORRY. IT'LL BE FIXED AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE, YOU KNOW. TWO YEARS OF FIGHTING AND $35,000 WITH THE ATTORNEY'S FEES TO GET SOME THINGS SQUARED AWAY, AT LEAST ON MY PERSONAL PART. SO, UM THIS BEING IS IMPORTANT AS IT IS BECAUSE WHAT I'D HATE TO SEE IS THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES SOMEONE COMING IN AND DOING THE MATH. IN FINDING OUT, YOU KNOW, BEING SHOCKED. AND THEN I WAS HAVING A PROBLEM. BECAUSE I JUST TOOK ONE THING. WELL, LET ME LET ME LET ME TALK ABOUT ANOTHER THING. PLEASE MINI STORAGE, FOR EXAMPLE , TO EXIST HERE IN INDIAN TOWN.

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OKAY SO IS THAT WHAT IS THE UNIT OF MEASURE FOR A MINI WAREHOUSE? SO TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MINI STORAGE THAT EXIST OVER HERE OFF OF THAT I BELIEVE I'M GOING FROM MEMORY AS A 10 ACRE PARCEL, WHICH IS COVERED ALMOST EVERY SQUARE INCHES. IT'S COVERED WITH , YOU KNOW, RVS OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE NEED ANOTHER MANY STORIES, AND WE NEED TO EXPAND THAT ONE. IF YOU TOOK, FOR EXAMPLE. YOU GOT 43,560 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE, AND THAT'S 10 ACRES. SO YOU HAVE 400 SOME ODD 1000 SQUARE FEET. DIVIDE ABOUT 1000. WOULD BE 40 UNITS. WHAT? WHAT WE DO THE MATH ON THAT REAL QUICK. JUST BEAR WITH ME, GUYS. I'M SORRY, BUT I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT PLACE. SO 10 ACRES IS 5 435,600 SQUARE FEET ABOUT ABOUT 1000. HE GOES 435 UNITS. NOW THAT BEFORE 135 UNITS TIMES, 920. WOULD MEAN THE IMPACT FOR YOUR JUST THAT MOBILITY FEED FOR THAT MINI STORAGE AT 10 ACRES WOULD BE 400,000. $752 OBVIOUSLY B MINUS RETAINING AREAS AND DRIVEWAYS, BUT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT AN ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER. UH, BASED ON. A SQUARE FOOTAGE PRICE AND THIS IS WHAT WORRIED ME WHEN I SAW A SQUARE FOOTAGE I WENT. OH, BOY. YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN GET IN SOME ASTRONOMICAL NUMBERS BECAUSE I DID THE ASTRONOMICAL NUMBERS ON THE MARINE. IF IT WAS SQUARE FOOTAGE, THANK GOD IT'S UNDER ACREAGE ARE BOTH GETTING BOAT SLIPS, WHICH BRINGS IT DOWN CONSIDERABLE, BUT THAT NUMBER UH IF YOU HAD A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINI STORAGE SITE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE USING SOMEWHERE AROUND 7000 SQUARE FOOT FOR STORIES LIKE YOU LOOK AT THE CITY MINI STORAGE RIGHT NOW. LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW. THERE, IT'S ABSOLUTELY EVERY SQUARE INCH IS COVERED WITH SOMETHING BEING THERE. IT CONCERNS ME THAT. THE UNIT OF MEASURE. FOR EXAMPLE, MARTIN COUNTY. I DON'T THINK IT'S INTO THAT LAND USE ITSELF. IT ONLY TALKS ABOUT BUILDINGS. I BELIEVE , IN MOST CASES, IT'S APPLIED TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING THAT MANY STORAGE BUILDING YOU KNOW, OVER THERE? I THINK THERE'S. 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, PLUS A 5000 SQUARE FOOT METAL BUILDING. SO THE IMPACT THAT IT WAS I BELIEVE WHEN WE BUILT THAT 30 YEARS AGO.

IT WAS THE IMPACT IF THERE WAS, I THINK THERE WAS BUT IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THE BUILDING, NOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SITE. SO THAT'S A CONCERN. NOW. LET ME ASK YOU TALK ABOUT ONE OTHER THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. CREDIT. USING THAT SAME MANY STORIES AS AN EXAMPLE SINCE ALMOST EVERY SQUARE INCH OF LAND. RIGHT NOW. THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS ON THAT THREE STORAGE BUILDINGS IN A 5000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. THERE'S ALSO TWO PADS THAT WERE NEVER THE BUILDINGS WERE NEVER BUILT, BUT THE TWO PADS STILL EXIST. WHERE THE PADS ARE.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF CARS AND TRAILERS, EVERYTHING STORED ON THERE RIGHT NOW. SO LET'S SAY THAT MANY STORAGE COMES IN AND SAYS WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD THOSE TWO BUILDINGS. THAT THE PADS ARE, THEREFORE ARE THEY GOING TO GET CREDIT? BECAUSE THE SPACE IS ALREADY BEING USED AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN USED FOR STORAGE. UNDER THE SQUARE FOOT FORMULA JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT STUFF INSIDE. DOES THAT CHANGE THINGS OR NOT? THAT'S WHERE.

FOR ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SPACE BEING USED. OKAY, SO THERE I JUST I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT YOU KNOW, NOT NOW WE'VE GOT TWO EXAMPLES THAT I BELIEVE TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT PROBABLY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH AS WELL AS IT AS FAR AS THE UNITS OF MEASURE. IN

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BUT BUT BUT IT WAS THE INTENT TO NOT. OKAY, SO THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO HAVE IT BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD SO THAT NO MATTER WHAT WAS DEVELOPED IN ANY TOWN, IT WOULDN'T BE A HIGHER COST IF IT WAS WORTH IT DEVELOPED UNDER MARTIN COUNTY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS VERSUS INDIAN TOWN, AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE EXAMPLES ALREADY. JUST THE TWO THAT I'VE LOOKED AT THAT WE HAVE SOME ISSUES THERE. SO UM IN MY GUESS IS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT MORE MORE OF THESE. WE FIND SIMILAR ISSUES AS WELL. UM JONATHAN. UM, I'M I HAVE AN IDEA, AND I WOULD ORDINARILY OTHERWISE DISCUSS IT WITH YOU. NOT THE MEETING HERE, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT'S WORTH DISCUSSING HERE. UM WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF ADDING TO THE ORDINANCE PROVISIONS? THAT SAID. IN THE EVENT OF GIVEN USE. AS CALCULATED PURSUANT TO THE FEES HERE ENDED UP BEING AN AMOUNT. IN EXCESS OF 70% OF WHAT THE EQUIVALENT MARTIN COUNTY. WHAT? WHAT IS THE EQUIVALENT MARTIN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT. THE AH, THAT THE. MOBILITY FEE WOULD BE THE LOWER OF THE TWO. IT WOULD BE THE THAT 70% OF THE COUNTIES. I.

AND SCOTT. I. I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S VERY WORTHWHILE TO SORT OUT THE PARTICULARS. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO CATCH ALL TO MAKE IT BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND. A MARTIN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT THE CALCULATION. IT'S STILL GOING TO BE BEING DONE EVERY SINGLE TIME. OKAY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO CALCULATE WHAT THE MARTIN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT THE WOULD BE FORGIVEN DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN MULTIPLY THAT BY 0.3. AND THAT'S. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE CHECK THAT WOULD BE PAID OVER TO THE COUNTY. SO THAT CALCULATION GOES ON EFFECTIVELY WOULD BE WE HAVE OUR MOBILITY, FAY, RIGHT? CALCULATE THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT THE AND WE PUT IN A RULE THAT BASICALLY SAYS IN ANY INSTANCE WHERE, WHAT THAT 70% OF MARTIN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT. THE IS IN FACT LOWER THAN THE CALCULATED MOBILITY FEE THAT 70% OVERRIDES. THE LOWER OVERRIDES. TO CATCH. I DON'T WANT TO CALL THESE EDGE CASES, BUT, UH TELL YOU, I THINK A LOT OF THE FOCUS ON DEVELOPMENTS FOCUSED TOO. SINGLE FAMILY HOMES , YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE KIND OF VOLUME OF WHAT WE MIGHT SEE. BUT THEY'RE, OF COURSE, GOING TO BE IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENTS THAT CATCH SOME INTERESTING STUFF. HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT? THAT CONCEPT GENERALLY. I LIKE

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YEAH, AND QUITE FRANKLY. UM IN NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 CASES, JUST SAYING EXISTING USE OF LAND WOULD BE YOUR TYPICAL WAY YOU'D SAY OF JUST A USE. BUT YOUR POINT IS A VERY. WELL TAKEN ONE.

SCOTT LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT THE ORIGINS HERE REAL QUICK. OF THE DO YOU, UH, YOU RECALL WHERE THAT IS? OH, THAT'S ON PAGE THAT'S SITTING THERE IN THE ORDINANCE ON PATIENT CREDITS.

ARE YOU TALKING TO ME OR SOMEONE ELSE? SO SORRY. NO SCOTT. I WAS TALKING TO YOU. OH YEAH. ON PAGE 14 MOBILITY OFFSET FEE. I WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE INJECTING THEIR THEIR LAND IS BEING USED IN EXISTING USE OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE MORE GET THE CREDIT OR SOMETHING. I WOULD ALSO POSSIBLE MAKING SOME VERBAL JABS TO OPEN STORAGE, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN BUILDING STORAGE SHOULD BE MEASURED BY ACRE, NOT BY SQUARE FOOT. IF IT'S IF IT'S ALL RIGHT TO THAT PARTICULAR IDEA TO CLEAN UP ABOUT UM, OUTSIDE STORAGE. IT. IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE JUST TO TRACK. UM WHAT THE UNIT OF MEASURE IS THAT THE COUNTY USES FOR THAT THAT SAME WHICH IT MAY BE ACREAGE IDEA APPEARS. IT APPEARS TO BE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDINGS BUILT. I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY'S EVER GOT INTO LAND IS USED FOR STORAGE. I THINK THEY OTHER THAN THE BOAT SLIP THING. THEY CALL THAT OUT. AS YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA WET SLIP AND YOU GOTTA DRY SLIP.

BUT MANY STORIES. IT APPEARS THEY'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDINGS ACTUALLY BUILT. IT APPEARS TO ME AND IT APPEARS SO WE'RE. GREAT PARTY.

JONATHAN IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT I THINK THAT GETTING GETTING DOWN ON THE SPECIFICITY ON THAT, UM, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, I COULD ANTICIPATE. MORE THAN ONE SUCH PROJECT WALKING THROUGH THE DOOR IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. OF THAT SORT. BUT I THINK WADE GOING BACK TO WHAT YOUR CATCH ALL YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, WHATEVER THE LEAST COST, BASED ON MARTIN COUNTY VERSUS ANY TOWN IS WHAT WILL PREVAIL. COVERS IT. AT THIS POINT OR WILL COVER IT UNTIL WE GET ALL THIS SQUARED AWAY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT TO THIS. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT.

UM. HELLO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM. ONE OF THE THINGS IS THE I GUESS, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE A LOWER FEE. IS THAT CORRECT? JONATHAN. WHY IS THAT? I MEAN, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME BECAUSE THESE PLACES HAVE MAYBE 20 DELIVERIES A DAY AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAY. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S JUSTIFIED. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT JUSTIFIES THAT? THAT YOU CAN REFERENCE.

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IF YOU HAVE A WHOLE. THE PLAN.

UH, JUST. COULD REQUEST WHAT. I MISSED SOME.

LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, YOU SUGGEST THAT WE CREATE A CHAPTER EIGHT OF IN THE FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE UM, AND IN YOUR LETTER, ARE YOU MENTIONED CLOSING THE GAPS, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING ROADS, ALL ROADS FROM OLDER DEVELOPMENTS TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS. I THINK I SPOKE TO YOU ONCE BEFORE ABOUT THIS. WELL I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER THERE ARE PROVISIONS THAT, UM OR THERE IS A PROVISION THAT NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO BE CONNECTED. UM, BECAUSE QUITE OFTEN, THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD JUST ENDS UP BEING A THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE THAT IN OUR CHAPTER SIX RIGHT NOW. 6.3 0.8. ABOUT THAT. THEY SHALL CONNECT. WHICH UM, IF YOU PUT THIS IN THE MOBILITY PLAN, WHICH WOULD SUPERSEDE THEY THE MOBILITY PLAN NOW WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE CHANGED. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, AND YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IT, THAT'S WHEN RESIDENTS FIND OUT THAT THEY DON'T LIKE IT. WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE RECTIFIED RIGHT WITH CHAPTER THIS NEW CHAPTER EIGHT. JONATHAN LET ME LET ME LET ME GO AHEAD AND HANDLE THIS ONE SO THE REFERENCE TO CHAPTER EIGHT IS THE ADOPTION OF THE MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE. OKAY YOU IMPOSE IMPACT THESE MOBILITY FEES BY ORDINANCE IMPACT THESE MOBILITY FEES ARE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IF IT WASN'T A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION WOULD NOT COME TO THE BABY. UM SO IT IS GOING TO BE CODIFIED IN CHAPTER EIGHT, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS NOTHING IN IT. BECAUSE THAT IS THE CHAPTER THAT WAS PUT ASIDE FOR IMPACT PHASE. ALRIGHT SO IT'S GOING IN THERE, BUT THE ORDINANCE IS ADDRESSED WHILE IT DOES ADOPT THE TECHNICAL REPORT, AND SO ON, IT DOES NOT IMPOSE ANY SORT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO DESIGN YOUR ROAD'S THIS WAY OR THIS OR THAT OR WHAT HAVE YOU OKAY. THE GRAVAMEN OF WHAT IT'S OF WHAT IT'S DOING IS IMPOSING THE FEE BASED ON THE TECHNICAL REPORT AND THE PLAN THAT SET OUT WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUAL DECISIONS ON

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THERE MIGHT BE SOME BENEFIT TO CONNECT THIS ROAD TO THIS ROAD. THROUGH HERE AND THE FOLKS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS OR WHAT HAVE YOU DON'T LIKE THAT? THEY CAN COME TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL AND SAY, DON'T DO IT. THEY HAVE COUNCIL THEY HAVE AND THE DEVELOPER POINTS TO CHAPTER SIX AND SAYS THAT I SHALL I SHALL BE CONNECTED. THAT IS A DIFFERENT MATTER. THAT IS THAT IS ADDRESSING NEW DEVELOPMENT. OKAY? SO WOULD. KEEP IN MIND THE DIFFERENCE HERE WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING GRID SYSTEM OR MOST OF A GRID SYSTEM BUILT OUT IN IN, YOU KNOW, GOOD PART OF INDIAN TOWN. UM THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE DRIVEN THE SAME WAY AS YOU HAD WITH RIVER OAK, WHERE YOU HAVE A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ITS OWN STREET SYSTEM. OKAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I RECOGNIZE THE CONCERN YOU HAVE WITH REGARD TO THAT ONE, AND I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSIONS CONCERNING IT. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU IS HIS FIRST THIS UH, MOBILITY PLAN DOESN'T COMPEL ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WITH REGARD TO NEW DEVELOPMENT. ALL IT DOES IS ENABLE THE VILLAGE COUNCIL IF IT WANTS TO USE THAT MONEY, USED THE MONEY COLLECTING THIS TO DO THINGS LIKE TAKE TWO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE A CONNECT. CONNECTIVITY RIGHT HERE AND THERE GOOD TRANSPORTATION REASONS FOR IT. THEY COULD DO THAT. IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T LIKE THAT, THEY COULD COME OUT AND SAY WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT AND KEEP IN MIND. WE'RE TALKING HERE. NOT ABOUT A DEVELOPER, DEVELOPING A BRAND NEW PROJECT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VILLAGE COUNCIL DOING A ROAD PROJECT. SO THAT THAT'S THE DISTINCTION I WOULD MAKE FOR YOU. IF THAT HELPS. YES, IT'S HELPED SOMEWHAT. THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. LOOKING OVER THE WAY.

THE, UM. THESE ARE DIVIDED. FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE THE UM COMMERCIAL STORAGE. AND IN THE COMMERCIAL STORAGE. YOU HAVE MANY WAREHOUSE NURSERY, OUTDOOR STORAGE AND WAREHOUSE. AND THAT IS PER 1000 SQUARE FEET. I FEEL LIKE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND THE NURSERY SHOULD BE MOVED TO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. THAT'S IN A PER ACRE. UM, MEASUREMENT. THE OTHER THING, TOO IS I SEE SOME

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PLEASE CHIME IN AND OFFER ADDITIONAL THOUGHT ON AS WELL. DID YOU HAVE A THEORY? OH MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, UM IS THERE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK TOWARDS WHAT JONATHAN WAS SAYING EARLIER? THAT IF THERE IS THE ABILITY OF THE VILLAGE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE FEE, AND IF THE REQUESTER YOU KNOW WHATEVER THAT THEY COULD STILL MAKE A MODIFICATION. SO THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME IN THAT WAS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC BENEFIT.

THE VILLAGE WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A REVISION THERE. SO LET ME AND THIS IS GONNA SOUND. UM. THE ANSWER IS YES. THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO THAT. LET ME LET ME LET ME GIVE YOU SOME PARAMETERS OF WHAT THIS WHAT THIS IS OKAY. THIS IS THIS IS A FEE. THAT WE'RE CHARGING DEVELOPED. OKAY REMEMBER YOU. YOU SAW UP THERE. IT'S GOT TO MEET VERY STRICT LEGAL TESTS. IF IT DOESN'T MEET THOSE STRICT LEGAL TESTS. IT'S NOT REALLY A FEE. IT'S A TAX AND WE DID IT WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION OF LAWS OR IS THAT CORRECT? BUT HERE'S THE THING. IT COULD BE LESS BUT NOT MORE. BUT BUT. WHEN WE GO THROUGH, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND JONATHAN HAS GONE THROUGH AND YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND THEN INTEGRATING IT, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL OF TRYING AS BEST HE COULD, WITH WITH THIS HERE TO KEEP IT SO THAT IT WOULD STAY UNDER YOU KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY THRESHOLD WOULD BE? UM.

IT'S GOT TO BE BASED ON A CALCULATION OF WHAT THE ACTUAL INCREMENTAL. IMPACT COST OF TRANSPORTATION NECESSARY TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS ARE FROM THAT USE, OKAY? THE PROBLEM BECOMES LEGALLY. WHEN WE GO AND PICKING AND CHOOSING BETWEEN. TYPES OF USES. WE LIKE VERSUS TYPES OF USERS. WE DON'T LIKE THEN WE VEERED AWAY FROM THIS NUMBERS ARE BASED ON WHAT TRANSPORTATIONS IMPACTS IT'S GOING TO BE AND EXTEND IT BECOMES AH, A POLICY PROCESS ON INDIVIDUAL USES THAT THAT BECOMES THE CONCERN. OKAY AND THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR. THAT. IN THE ABSENCE OF THE LEGISLATURE, TELLING YOU IN THE STATUTE THAT HEY, BECAUSE YOU FOR POLICY REASONS LIKE THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, YOU CAN REDUCE AN IMPACT. THE GENERALLY YOU CAN'T THE MAIN ONE THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS SAID THAT FOR IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE LEGISLATURE HAS SAID, HEY, LOOK, WE KNOW ALL THESE RULES OF AH, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA BEAR RATIONAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE. THE COST OF THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE THIS BENEFIT TO THAT PROJECT AND SO ON. BUT FORGETTING ALL THOSE RULES IF YOU WANT TO CHOP OFF A PORTION OF THAT, BECAUSE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE SAY YOU CAN DO IT, THE LEGISLATURE SAYS.

BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS THE LEGISLATURE TELLS YOU THAT IT'S A, UM IT'S A TYPE OF PROJECT WE DO WITH THAT ON. YOU CAN'T GO REALLY CHOPPING OFF BIG PARTS FOR POLICY PURPOSES ON INDIVIDUAL USES, SO THAT MAKES SENSE ACROSS THE BOARD REDUCTIONS BUT INDIVIDUAL ONES BECAUSE WE LIKE THIS USER WANT TO INCENTIVIZE ISSUES VERSUS THIS. STARTS GETTING OUT OF BALANCE. GOT YOU? THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE SILLY CUSHION. YOU GUYS PROBABLY PRIORITY ANSWERED.

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OKAY, SO THE ACTUAL FEE IS HIGHER BECAUSE MARTIN COUNTY IS 30. ISN'T ON HERE. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE ULTIMATELY THAT THE AMOUNT THAT'S GOING TO BE CHARGED TO A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BE THAT THE PLUS 30 PROBABLY THAT YOU KNOW 30% MORE. WELL, YES, SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. BUT YEAH, AND THEN THE. THE INTENTION BEING AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE CATCH ALL TO MAKE IT MAKE DOUBLY SURE IT SO IS THAT WHEN YOU ADD THOSE TWO PIECES TOGETHER, IT WILL BE EQUAL TO OR LOWER DOWN. THE CURRENT MARTIN DOWNEY.

TRANSPORTATION IMPACT THEY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. WELL LET ME I'M SORRY TO JUMP IN THERE, ONE MORE WITH THAT BEING, SAID WADE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN MARTIN COUNTY. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF MIRROR MARTIN COUNTY'S CATEGORIES IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? SO THE I WOULD OFFER TO, YOU KNOW, AND LET ME TELL YOU TWO REASONS. ONE UM ONE THERE. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS ALREADY IN ATTEMPT TO, UH VERY GOOD DEGREE TO SYNTHESIZE AND GET IT SOMEWHAT LINED UP WITH THE MARTIN COUNTY TERRITORY, UH, CATEGORIES WITHOUT GOING INTO EVERY SINGLE PARTICULAR THING ONE AND THEN TWO. WE DON'T NEED TO PUT THAT ALL INTO THIS TO IMPLEMENT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT OR IMPLEMENT OR OTHER OBLIGATION TO COLLECT THE MARTIN COUNTY IMPACT BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE CALCULATING THE MARTIN COUNTY IMPACT FEE. PEACE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THIS AT ALL WERE THROWING THIS OUT THE WINDOW. WE'RE GRABBING THE MARTIN COUNTY THING. WE'RE DOING TWO CALCULATIONS. AS LONG AS WE END UP AT THE SAME PLACE. WE'RE GOOD . OKAY. OKAY WE'RE GONNA DO THE MARTIN COUNTY CALCULATION. OH, PLEASE GO AHEAD, JONATHAN. HE WAS LOUD. YES.

RIGHT. I AGREE.

SURE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, JONATHAN AND ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL. AND THIS IS NOT JUST A.

GENERAL STATEMENT, BUT IT'S VERY PARTICULAR TO WHAT'S IN THIS ORDINANCE? AND ACTUALLY, WHAT'S IN THE ER THE LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH MARTIN COUNTY AS WELL. UM THIS IS NOT A FOREVER THING. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YET IN THE ORDINANCE IS REQUIRED TO BE REVIEW. AN UPDATED AND CHANGED PURSUANT TO BARE MINIMUM PURSUANT TO WHAT JONATHAN JUST MENTIONED THERE, UM TO NEW STANDARD CHANGES THAT THAT THE STATUTE IS GOING TO REQUIRE, WITH THE MOST RECENT LOCALIZED

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OKAY I THINK I GOT MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IS SOMETHING ABOUT IT TAKES NINE MONTHS TO DO THE STUDY. I HOPE WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SOUND. BUT YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IT'S JUST I HIT. I'M HESITANT TO EVEN ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE ANSWERS. I'LL BE MISSING A FEW WORDS AND YOU MISS ONE OR TWO WORDS IN A SENTENCE AND UM IT'S REALLY, UM YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY RESPOND TO IT. THANK YOU. LIKE MINDED. SO MEMBERS, UM JUST A. GIVE YOU ALL WHAT? WHAT HAS BEEN THE PLAN TIME PART MADE THE PLANNED TIMETABLE. WITH REGARD TO ADOPTION. OF THIS OF THIS ORDINANCE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE ORDINANCE SCHEDULED FOR FIRST READING BEFORE THE VILLAGE COUNCIL FOR NOVEMBER. 9TH. AND THEN AND THEN SECOND READING AND ADOPTION BEFORE THE VILLAGE COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 16TH. I WOULD. I SUGGEST YOU ON YOUR YOUR INPUT HAS BEEN INVALUABLE, AND I CAN LIST OFF WHAT I'VE HEARD AS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AS BEING A MOTION OUT OF THE BABY TO RECOMMEND VILLAGE COUNCIL, AND THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT. THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. THE PRIMARY. MODIFICATION. THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION BE ADDED. IS THAT I HAD A PROVISION PROVIDING EFFECTIVELY A CATCH ALL THAT IF THE CALCULATED. VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN MOBILITY FEE EXCEEDS . THE CALCULATION OF WHAT WOULD BE 70% OF THE UNADJUSTED MARTIN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT THE THEN THE 70% MARTIN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT THE WOULD PREVAIL GOES A LOWER OF THE TWO OF THEM. THE CATCH. UM, GET.

LESS COMMON. ALREADY USE CASES ARE ONES WHERE THE TRANSLATION DID NOT WORK OUT. PERFECTLY IN ALL OF THIS. IN ADDITION, I'D RECOMMEND JUST AS A TECHNICAL MATTER WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THE REVISED EXHIBIT A, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE UNIT OF MEASURE THE DOCUMENT. WE JUST

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FUNDING THAN IMPACT THESE AND IT WOULD GIVE OUR ABILITIES COUNSELOR GREATER FLEXIBILITY.

TO DETERMINE WHEN AND WHAT TYPES OF PROJECTS AND HOW QUICKLY THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM YOU KNOW, BUILD THOSE THOSE PROJECTS. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU TO, UM JONATHAN AND HIS TEAM AS WELL AS THE EVERYBODY WHO HAD, YOU KNOW, PUT IN WORK TO CONSTRUCT THIS PLAN.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SCOTT. ALL GOOD . NO, I'M GOOD. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND AND TAKE IT. TAKE IT AWAY. CHAIR DIED DIDN'T DIE. THERE WAS THERE WAS A MOTION AND SECOND. YEAH, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I THINK YOU'VE HAD YOUR DISCUSSION. I DON'T SEE ANY BIRTH. ALRIGHT. YOU HAVE DISCUSSIONS. OH, YEAH. DANIEL. OH, DON'T GET THERE WE GO. YEAH.

THANK YOU. READY. REMEMBER ON SOCCER? YES, WILLIAMS. BOARD MEMBER WATSON. YES PRESSLER.

YES, MEMBERS TO HAYEK. VICE CHAIR. MILEY YES, PALMER. THANKS. ALRIGHT UM, WE'RE READY

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Proposed 2024 PZAB Meeting Dates

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THESE ARE ALL THE FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH EXCEPT FOR THE ONE WEDNESDAY IT'S THE DAY BEFORE THE FOURTH OF JULY, RIGHT, WHICH JUST HAPPENS TO FALL ON THURSDAY . HMM I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD I THINK YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION, BUT A BETTER WAY OF NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC WHEN WE HAVE ODD DATES OR CHANGES TO OUR SCHEDULE. UM THEY JUST ISN'T OBVIOUS. I MEAN, PUTTING A PUTTING IN A AGENDA. ITEM ON THE SCHEDULE DOESN'T REALLY HELP BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO OPEN IT UP BEFORE IT SAID CANCELED. UM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S YOU NEED A BANNER OR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS CAN KEEP UP WITH , YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF RUNNING DOWN HERE FOR THE MEETING BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S THE MEETING DAY AND THEN FIND OUT THAT IT'S ALREADY YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN CHANGED. A BETTER WAY OF NOTIFYING MR. THANK YOU. THINK DEVELOPMENT. ACTIVITY. PLEASE. JUST SO WE'VE GOT IT AS A

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Recent Development Activity

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I DON'T TYPICALLY SEE IT CALLED OUT IN IN STAFF REPORTS. UH AS TO PC, AP MEMBERS BEING PARTICIPANTS IN A GIVEN PROJECT. YOU KNOW, IN REPORTS LIKE THIS, OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO VOTES PURSUANT TO THE STATE STATUTE. YOU KNOW THE DISCLOSURES OCCUR, BUT WE OFTEN DON'T GET THAT YOU KNOW THE FORM. EIGHT B. UM THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT REALLY, UM, TIMELY. UM WE DON'T GET THEM UNTIL THE NIGHT OF THE VOTE. OR WEEKS LATER. OR IN THIS PAST YEAR. I MEAN, I THINK WE GOT TWO FORMS. FROM ONE BOARD MEMBER THAT WERE LIKE NINE HAD ACTUALLY HAPPENED NINE MONTHS EARLIER.

REMEMBER WE GOT THEM IN THE FALL, AND THESE WERE IS THE FIRST ONES WE EVER GOT. WHAT IS THE STATUTE ON THAT? WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT? I'M SORRY. WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE TO BE? WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE TO BE FIRED? YEP, FOR THE FOR THE FOR MAYBE. STATUTES VERY, UH, BROADLY WRITTEN ON THIS POINT. UM IT GIVES A WINDOW OF DOING IT, IT SAYS INITIALLY TO PROVIDED PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AND THEN IT SAYS, OR WITHIN 14 DAYS AFTER THE MEETING. UM SO THAT IS TYPICALLY WHAT IS DONE EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE. SO, UM. SO WE ARE FOLLOWING THE STATUTE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT OPTIMAL. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT? WHAT WE HAD WHAT WE HAD BEEN, UM RA MISSING IN. MUCH PREVIOUSLY WITH EXACTLY LONG TIME AGO WITH DIFFERENT FOLKS HERE. UH IS ACTUALLY PROVIDING COPIES OF THOSE, UM TO INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS. AT THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY THAT'S THAT'S A VERY COMMONLY KIND OF LEFT OFF A LITTLE BIT IN THE STATUTE. AND THAT'S I BELIEVE WHY THEY WERE. THEY WERE GIVEN OUT MUCH LATER THERE. I MEAN ON FOR MAYBE, DOESN'T IT SAY THAT WHEN IT'S FILLED OUT? THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE NOTIFIED OR GIVEN A COPY IMMEDIATELY, WHICH THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED. DOESN'T IT SAY THAT I DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE A COPY OF IT WITH ME, BUT I DO BELIEVE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW THE TOP OF THE BACK PAGE. I DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE IT. YEAH I ASSURE YOU, WE WILL. FROM STAFF STANDPOINT, WE WILL REDOUBLE OUR EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE WORK. YEAH IT'S BEEN QUITE LAX, AND ESPECIALLY ON THE PERSON PART OF A PERSON TO FILL OUT THE FORM. I THINK THAT'S REALLY BEEN, YOU KNOW, NO, NOTING THE DATE THAT THEY'RE DATED AND SIGNED AND YOU KNOW, BY LOOKING AT THIS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THEY ARE UNTIL THE NIGHT OF OR TWO WEEKS. 14 DAYS, 14 DAYS AFTER THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COME IN, ALL RIGHT. UM. SHE IS CORRECT ABOUT THE COPY OF THE FORM MUST BE PROVIDED IMMEDIATELY TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY. SO WE DO NEED TO START ITS. THAT'S TOO IF IT'S

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