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READY WHEN I'M IN YOUR COUNTRY. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. YOU CAN SAY GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.
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GLAD TO SEE EVERYBODY'S DOING WELL AND HEALTHY. IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT TODAY. OKAY UM OUR TWO BOARD MEMBERS WILL NOT BE HERE TODAY. THAT WOULD BE MR WILLIAMS AND MR SAHAI IT SO AND THEN WE HAVE A BIG SURPRISE TONIGHT. WHO'S THAT? SORAYA YEAH. THANK YOU HIRED. HOW YOU DOING? GOOD.GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE DOING GREAT, SIR, DOING GREAT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE NONE OTHER THAN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO LEAD US IN PRAYER TONIGHT. ISN'T THAT AWESOME? YES SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL FIRST. WHAT Y'ALL READ THE PREY. NOT YET. SIT DOWN . SO WE GOT SOME PRAYER WARRIORS UP IN HERE. Y'ALL ALL RIGHT? SO OKAY, SO WE ARE CALLED TO ORDER THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SO PROMPT AND AMBITION. YES WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR ROLL CALL NOW. PLEASE CHAIR CHAIR. PALMER PRESENT CHAIR, MILEY. REMEMBER PRESSLER HERE? REMEMBER ON SIGIR HERE? AND BOARD MEMBER WATSON HERE. DID YOU DO BOARD MEMBERS OF HYAH? SO HIKES HERE VIA ZOOM . OKAY OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR INVOCATION. NOW WE CAN STAND BUT WHAT I LIKE TO ASK YOU. UM DEPUTY HICKMAN, COULD YOU PLEASE SAY A PRAYER AND THE PRAYER TO PRAY FOR MR WILLIAMS? MOM, THEY TOOK HER TO THE HOSPITAL. JASON SORRY. BE LOUDER, THEN INTRODUCE YOURSELF. TO DEPUTY JASON HICKMAN MARTIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IF WE WOULD LET US PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER. I THANK YOU, LORD FOR US BEING ABLE TO GATHER HERE, LORD, TOO. HELP EACH OTHER OUT TO HELP THE VILLAGE. PLEASE HELP US TO COME. OPEN MINDED LORD, HELP US TO BASE OUR DECISIONS OFF OF YOU. LET US TO LOOK TO YOU. FOR OUR FUTURE PLANS. LORD HELP US TO BASE EVERYTHING OF OUR KNOWLEDGE AND BASED THAT ON YOU, LORD JESUS.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK YOU TO TOUCH MR WILLIAMS WIFE WHO WAS IN THE HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW, LORD, WE ASK YOU WHATEVER IS GOING ON WITH HER. WE ASKED FOR YOUR HEALING HAND TO TOUCH HER LORD MOTHER. SORRY, MOTHER HELPED HIM TO TOUCH HER. LORD JESUS GOD, YOU KNOW THE ISSUES BE THE DOCTOR'S HANDS TO BE ABLE TO BE THE DOCTOR'S HANDS AND MINDS LOWERED TO BE ABLE TO HELP. MR WILLIAMS. MOTHER. LORD, WE ASK THIS LORD JESUS GOD. HAVEN'T WE? HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ASK YOU TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO GATHER AND KEEPING US SAFE THROUGHOUT THE DAY. WE ASK YOU WHEN THIS MEETING GOES OVER TO AGAIN TO KEEP US OPEN MINDED LORD, HELP US TO BASE OUR DECISIONS OFF FOR YOU AFTER THE MEETING TONIGHT, LORD, PLEASE HELP US ALL TO MAKE A HOME SAFELY. LORD WE ASK THIS IN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN AMEN. AMEN NOW WE WILL HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. GEORGIA FIRE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND YOU , FATHER FORWARD JUST STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY? OKAY NEXT ON OUR AGENDA
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WILL BE THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AS EVERYONE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE AGENDA. YES, I MOVED WITH APPROVAL. OKAY? SECOND, OKAY? WHO WAS SECONDED. SORRY. AND THEN WHO APPROVES IT? SERGEANT MEMBER ON SINGER OKAY ON SOCCER , SOCCER. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, BUT YOU MAY HAVE TO CORRECT ME AGAIN, OKAY? RIGHT. SO IT HAS BEEN SORRY. OKAY, SO IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND PROPER. MOVED BY BOARD MEMBER ON SOCCER AND SECOND BY VICE CHAIR MILEY TO ACCEPT THE APPROVAL TO ACCEPT APPROVAL OF AGENDA, OKAY? SO IT'S HOT IN HERE. UM PAUL AND MEMBER PRESSLER. DO YOU ACCEPT THE PRIVILEGE AGENDA? YES. BOARD MEMBERS TO HAYEK. YES, OKAY.REMEMBER WATSON YES. AND PAUL MEMBER CHAIR. PALMER. YES. OKAY UM, NOW WE'LL HAVE THE WE NEED
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APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. MINUTES OF THE PCB BOARD MEETING OF FEBRUARY 2ND 2023. THOSE WERE SENT TO US MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. OKAY SO IT'S BEEN MOVED, BUT I'M SORRY, UM,[00:05:02]
BOARD MEMBER ON SOCCER. PERFECT THANK YOU. AND VICE CHAIR. MILEY THAT THE MINUTES OF THE PCB BOARD MEETING OF FEBRUARY 2ND 2023 BE ACCEPTED. HMM. OKAY, REMEMBER PRESTO. UM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHAT I SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT EARLIER ON THAT BOAT, OKAY , THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.IT'S SUBJECT TO AMENDMENT ON THAT OR WHAT? WELL SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CHECKED. YES, CORRECT. OKAY. UH, POINT MEMBERS TO HIKE. YES. REMEMBER, WATSON? YES. AND CHAIR. PALMER. YES.
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Review and Discuss a Proposed Amendment to the PZAB Rules, Regulations and Procedures.
]OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, SO I REGULAR AGENDA ITEM TWO. UM REVIEW AND DISCUSS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE P C. A. B RULES, REGULATIONS AND PROCEDURES. UM SO I WOULD TURN THIS. PORTION OVER TO OUR DIRECTOR. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MRS ON SOCCER, UH, PROPOSED AT OUR JANUARY MEETING. I BELIEVE THAT. WE WOULD BRING FORWARD A PROPOSAL FROM HER TO AMEND OUR PROCEDURES AND RULES. AND IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU HAD THE SECTION OF WHICH SHE'S PROPOSING TO CHANGE AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO HER, UM, TO DISCUSS HER PROPOSED CHANGE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST PROPOSE A VERY SIMPLE WORD CHANGE THAT ALLOWS FOR A MEMBER WHO HAS KNOWLEDGE OR IS INVOLVED IN A PROJECT. UH TO DISCUSS AND GIVE US INFORMATION. ABOUT THE PROJECT BUT NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE OR HAVE ANY INFLUENCE. UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET INFORMATION FROM ALL SOURCES BEFORE THIS BOARD MAKES DECISIONS ON ANY MATTER THAT COMES TO US. AND IN THIS CASE, A LOT OF TIMES WE WOULD BE EXCLUDING SOMEONE WHO HAS THE BEST INFORMATION. UM I KNOW THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN DECEMBER THAT SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED THE SAME THING. I BELIEVE IT WAS MY ASSOCIATE HERE AND. IT WAS BROUGHT UP, BUT IT WAS KIND OF NOT DISCUSSED. SO I GOT TO THINKING ABOUT IT. I LOOKED AT THE RULE IN A VERY SIMPLE WORD CHANGE, JUST SAYING THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT INFORMATION THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW BECAUSE I COULD BE. I COULD BE PART OF A PROJECT AND NOT AND EXCLUDE MYSELF FROM THE VOTE BUT HAVE SOME VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT NO OTHER SOURCE COULD GIVE US. AND I JUST THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS BOARD IS FULLY INFORMED BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS. UM THERE WOULD BE NO WAY FOR THE PERSON THAT WAS GIVING THE INFORMATION TO FORCES INTO ANYTHING OR I'M SURE WE'RE ALL VERY ETHICAL INDIVIDUALS, AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY AND WE'RE ALSO VERY SMART INDIVIDUALS, AND I'M SURE WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WOULD BE JUST GIVING INFORMATION NOT PLEADING THEIR CASE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE MAKE THIS CHANGE ON THAT BASIS. IF I MAY. IF YOU ARE UNCERTAIN ABOUT THE SECTION WE'RE SPEAKING OF AS REFERENCED IN THE COVER MEMO. IT IS. UNDER PART D THREE. UNDER ARTICLE. SIX DECISIONS AND HEARINGS. AND IF YOU HAVE THE OFFICIAL APPROVED EXCUSE ME. PROCEDURES PAGE 10. 11 LOOK UNDER PART D DISQUALIFICATION FROM VOTING. AND NUMBER. THREE IF WE COULD JUST FOR, UH TO MAKE THE CONVERSATION EASIER UNDER PART THREE I'M GOING TO NUMBER THOSE LINES LINES 123. FOUR AND FIVE, SO THAT IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO TEXT, IT WILL TAKE EVERYONE MORE EASILY TO THAT SECTION. OKAY DID YOU, UM, BOARD DID YOU WANT TO OPPORTUNITY TO READ? READ IT IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT, AND THEN, UM, ENTERTAINED CONVERSATION FROM MR WATSON AND THEN MISS UM, MS RENATA. DID YOU? DID YOU? DID YOU READ IT ALREADY? YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT OR NOT? NOT ABOUT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. JUST ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS RANGE CAN BEAT UP. IT CAN BE, UH, BEAT OUT BY THE ATTORNEY OR THE LANGUAGE MADE A SUGGESTION. I BELIEVE IT WAS THEY KIND OF PUT THE LANGUAGE TOGETHER, MAYBE, OR . PROPOSED TEXT CHANGE, AT LEAST LOOKED AT IT AND SAID IT WAS OK[00:10:01]
. YEAH WE CAN. WE CAN WE CAN WORK AND I YEAH, I DIDN'T WRITE THE EXACT LANGUAGE. WE TOOK EXACTLY AS YOU HAD HERE, OKAY, IT WOULD WORK AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT PRECISELY. YOU KNOW, WE CAN BOUNCE IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT. BUT I SUGGEST DISCUSSION AMONGST YOU ALL FIRST AND THEN WE CAN HASH OUTLINE. MY POINT WASN'T AND YOU SAID ANYBODY MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN PROJECT AND OR OR HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE A CONFLICT BUT ONCE AGAIN BE ABLE TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION. UH YOU KNOW, INFORMATION GUYS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. WE'RE HERE TO MAKE JUDGMENT BASED ON THE BEST INFORMATION WE CAN GET. SO IF SOMEONE HAD A CONFLICT, THEY MAY HAVE THE BEST INFORMATION IN THE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO ADD TO THAT, OBVIOUSLY, THEY WOULD RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM THE VOTE . BUT THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO ALLOW THAT PERSON IN THE DISCUSSION. AND THAT'S JUST MY POINT OF VIEW. AND YOU KNOW THAT I TALK TO YOU KNOW, I MADE THAT POINT. PRIOR TO A LOT OF TIMES. IT'S THE PERSON WHO HAS A CONFLICT WHO HAS THE MOST THE BEST INFORMATION ON SOMETHING OR WHAT MAY THAT BE THE PLUS OR MINUS OF THAT PROJECT OR SO AND SO FORTH. OKAY THANK YOU. MR WATSON. MR ANETA. PRESSLER. I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, I WOULD STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS. THE BOARD MEMBER IS DISQUALIFIED FOR FROM VOTING FOR VERY GOOD REASON. UM UM, IF YOU LOOK I'M SO GLAD THAT FORM EIGHT B WAS ON OUR TABLES THIS EVENING. AND THIS FORM EIGHT B WAS CREATED BY THE FLORIDA COMMISSION ON ETHICS. ON THEIR WEBSITE. YOU CAN FIND INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO FILL OUT AN ETHICS COMPLAINT FORM. VERY GOOD FOR US TO KNOW. SO YES, THERE ARE VERY GOOD REASONS WHY A PERSON SHOULD ABSTAIN FROM PARTICIPATING. I DO NOT SUPPORT CHANGING OR AMENDING THE CURRENT P C A RULES OR REGULATIONS TO ALLOW THOSE ON THIS BOARD TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION OR PRESENTATION OF THE MATTER FOR WHICH THEY HAVE A VOTING CONFLICT. CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO DEVELOPERS ON THE PC, A BOARD WHO HAVE NUMEROUS POTENTIAL COMPLEX INVOLVING MANY PROPERTIES AND NUMEROUS PARTNERS. REGULAR BOARD MEMBERS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE. I CAN READ THE APPLICATION. THERE IS A PRESENTATION. HEARING FROM A BOARD MEMBER WHO HAS TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING BECAUSE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS NOT HELPFUL. IN FACT, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM A DEVELOPER WHO MADE 5% OF AN OPEN SPACE ON A PROPERTY SOUND EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS 10. HE JUST SAVED HIMSELF 10% ON THAT OPEN SPACE. NO ALLOWING A BOARD MEMBER DEVELOPER TO PARTICIPATE WOULD BE EXACTLY WHAT FORM EIGHT B IS TRYING TO WARN US ABOUT. AND AT THE BOTTOM IF YOU HAVEN'T EVER READ THIS FORM IT DIRECTS DIRECTLY SPEAKS TO APPOINTED OFFICERS. IF YOU INTEND TO MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION. PRIOR TO THE MEETING AT WHICH THE VOTE WILL BE TAKEN. YOU MUST COMPLETE AND FILE THIS FORM BEFORE MAKING ANY ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION. A COPY OF THIS FORM MUST BE PROVIDED IMMEDIATELY TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY. THIS HAS NOT ALREADY HAVE. THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED IN ALL CASES.THIS FORM MUST BE READ PUBLICLY AT THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THE FORM HAS FILED AGAIN. THIS IS NOT ALWAYS HAPPENED. IN FACT, WE GOT A LITTLE PILE OF FORM EIGHT B'S LAST FALL THAT THE REST OF US WERE UNAWARE OF UM WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO BEING, UM SPOKEN TO, UH AND DISSUADED IN THE DISCUSSION ANYMORE THAN WHAT YOU ALREADY GET IN THE APPLICATION AND IN THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. OR MY MIND. I'M SO VERY GLAD THAT MS PRESSLER BROUGHT THIS FORM TO OUR ATTENTION BECAUSE THE FORMAT AND ITSELF INDICATES THAT IF YOU INTEND TO MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION PRIOR TO THE MEETING AT WHICH THE VOTE WILL BE TAKEN, YOU MUST COMPLETE AND FILE THIS FORM. THEREFORE, THIS FORM IN AND OF ITSELF AS PRESIDENTS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TALK AND GIVE INFORMATION AT THE MEETINGS. WE HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THIS. IN THAT CASE. I DON'T I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE I WAS A BOARD MEMBER. I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S A PILE OF THINGS SOMEWHERE THAT DIDN'T GET HANDLED CORRECTLY AS A BOARD. IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO HANDLE IT CORRECT CORRECTLY FROM HERE FORWARD. I PERSONALLY WANT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I CAN GET FROM EVERY SOURCE THE PERSON INVOLVED IS GOING TO KNOW MORE THAN SOMEBODY THAT IS MAYBE AN ENGINEER OR AND I TRUST. THAT
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THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THIS BOARD WERE PLACED HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INTEGRITY. THAT THEY ARE NOT SEEKING. TO GIVE US FALSE INFORMATION. AND I ALSO TRUST IN H AND EVERY ONE OF US, AS MISS PRESSLER HAS POINTED OUT CAN READ. AND UNDERSTAND THE PRESENTATIONS FROM OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT PROVIDE INFORMATION. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT ANY TIME A PUBLIC OFFICIAL ONLY WANTS ONE SIDE OF THE STORY, YOU'VE GOT TO REALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE ETHICS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE SIDES OF THE STORY SOMEWHERE IN THE SIDE, YOU FIND WHAT'S VALID. IF WE ARE LEAVING PEOPLE OUT OF THE DISCUSSION.WE'RE MISSING INFORMATION. WE'RE ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE. WE'RE ALL HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE INTEGRITY AND WE CARE ABOUT THE VILLAGE. I PERSONALLY CANNOT BE DUPED. I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYONE ON THIS BOARD CAN BE DUPED. SO I DON'T FEEL ANY OF YOU ARE GOING TO DUPE ME OR EVEN ATTEMPT TO THEREFORE, IF SOMEONE ON THIS BOARD IS A DEVELOPER AND HAS INFORMATION THAT I MIGHT NEED TO MAKE A QUALIFIED, INTELLIGENT DECISION. I FIND IT. INCOMPREHENSIBLE. THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU. APARTMENT MY WATSON GOING TO YOUR POINT. THIS THIS POINTS TO THE POINT OF APPOINTED OFFICERS, ALTHOUGH YOU MUST ABSTAIN FROM VOTING IN SITUATIONS DESCRIBED ABOVE YOU ARE NOT PROHIBITED BY SECTION 1 12-3143 FROM OTHERWISE PARTICIPATING IN THESE MATTERS. HOWEVER YOU MUST DISCLOSE THE NATURE OF YOUR CONFLICT BEFORE MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION. WHETHER ORALLY OR IN WRITING OR WHETHER MADE BY YOU OR AT YOUR DIRECTION. I THINK IT'S QUITE CLEAR THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT'S TRYING TO STOP SOMEONE FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS. YOU JUST MUST ABSTAIN FROM VOTING AND EXPLAIN WHY THE WHY WOULD BE I HAVE A CONFLICT BEGIN WITH HERE IS THE REASON WHY IT'S A CONFLICT AND CARRY ON WITH THE PROVIDING WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU CAN THANK YOU, SIR. MS PRESSLER. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I THINK THAT FORM EIGHT B ADDRESSES THAT VERY CLEARLY BECAUSE IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO GO FROM QUOTE, PROVIDING INFORMATION, WHICH ALREADY HAS AN AVENUE IN THE APPLICATION AND IN THE PRESENTATION. UM, BUT. IT. ACTUALLY YOU CAN. YOU JUST SLIPPED FROM PROVIDING INFORMATION TO ACTUALLY INFLUENCING THE DECISION, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN HAPPEN. WHEN YOU'RE SITTING ON THIS BOARD AND YOU CHOOSE TO BE ON THIS BOARD, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE IN A SPECIAL POSITION NOW. AND YOU SHOULD BE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE MULTIPLE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND MULTIPLE PARTNERS THAT NO ONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD CAN POSSIBLY KEEP UP WITH. AS YOU BUY AND SELL AND TRADE PROPERTY AND HAVE PARTNERS AND UNMAKE AND UNMAKE. UM THOSE AREN'T BEING TIMELY FILED. WE ONLY FILL OUT OUR PAPERS ONCE A YEAR. WHEN THIS WAS FILLED OUT, UM YOU'RE TELLING US WHAT IT IS? I MEAN, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO GO BY IS THIS FORM? OKAY. THANK YOU. MISS PRESSLER. MR HUNTZINGER. A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT I HEAR SOME INNUENDO AND INSINUATION THAT WE HAVE UNETHICAL BOARD MEMBERS. SO I WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW THAT I CAN'T BE INFLUENCED ANY OF YOU UNETHICAL PEOPLE OUT THERE. JUST UNDERSTAND THAT I'M GOING TO TAKE THE FACTS, BUT I WANT ALL THE FACTS. SO IF SOMEONE FEELS LIKE THEY CAN BE INFLUENCED JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, OR DOES A LOT OF BUSINESS THAT THEY AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH OR THAT THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH, PERHAPS YOU KNOW, THEY NEED THAT INFORMATION AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT I WANT TO VOTE WITH 100% OF THE QUALITY. INFORMATION I CAN GET ON EVERY SUBJECT. WE ARE DOING A DISSERVICE THIS COMMUNITY THIS FORM. YES. FLORIDA STANDARD. IT SAYS. THAT THAT PERSON CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATION. JUST NOT THE VOTE. WE HAVE LIMITED THAT HERE IN INDIAN TOWN VILLAGE. LIMITING INFORMATION IS THE SLIPPY ER, SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT SHE'S CONCERNED ABOUT LIMITING INFORMATION. IT COULD GO BOTH WAYS. IF THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE IN, WE DON'T KNOW THEY COULD BE KEEPING INFORMATION FROM US. I JUST FEEL LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE ON THE TABLE FOR US, INTELLIGENT, INTEGRAL PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH. THANK YOU. CAN WE VOTE? PLEASE CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE? NO I NEED TO HEAR FROM MR WATSON. SHE SAID SOMETHING
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VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE GUYS. BASICALLY WE'RE SITTING HERE AND WHERE THE FINDERS OF FACT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FACTS DO DOES THIS APPLICATION OR DOES THIS APPLICANT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW? WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT. WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON L. D. R S. SO WE'RE BASICALLY JUDGES SITTING UP HERE. DO THEY MEET THE STANDARD THAT WE'VE SET? FOURTH. FOR SOMETHING TO PASS MUSTARD IN INDIAN TOWN. SO TOO. TO THE NIGHT. THE HEARING OF RELEVANT FACTS IS JUST LIMITED YOURSELF IN MY OPINION. THANK YOU. THANKS, MISS UM PRESSLER. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD. OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARD BETWEEN WHAT IS OR CROSS THE BOUNDARY WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE BOUNDARY OF LEGAL OR ILLEGAL. UM WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD START OUR STANDARD A LITTLE HIGHER. AND KEEP THAT THE PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICATION AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE A BOARD MEMBER AND SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE, THEN YOU'RE NOT HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS THAT WILL GREATLY CAUSE YOU PROFIT OR LOSS. UM. THAT'S HOW I FEEL. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S WRONG. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT. MEMBERS OF HAIKU LIKE TO SPEAK. OKAY. MEMBERS OF HOW YOU GO AHEAD, SIR. UH THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UM JUST A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE FOREMAN FRONT. BUT COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO US, IS IT? UH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRESENTING INFORMATION VOTING ON THE FOURTH. SURE YEAH, AND WE'VE GOT AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS KIND OF MOVING AROUND HERE AND DANIEL, THEY'VE GOT, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS IN THE ROOM. THEY HAVE A COPY OF FOR MAYBE, WHICH IS THE STATE FORM FROM THE FLORIDA COMMISSION ON ETHICS, UH, JUST AS KIND OF A TOOL FOR DISCUSSION , BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROPOSED PROPOSED BY MISSAN. SANGER. UM AND, UH. BASICALLY FOR MAYBE IN THE STATUTE, ITS IMPLEMENTING DOES NOT GET INTO DISCERNING BETWEEN. KIND OF THE LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION, WHETHER IT'S JUST PROVIDING INFORMATION OR ENGAGING IN DISCUSSION OR EVEN TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE CITY. THE DECISION ALL FOR MAYBE IN THE STATUTES, IMPLEMENTING DO IS SAY IF, UM YOU HAVE A VOTING CONFLICT. YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT PRIOR TO PARTICIPATING IN INFLUENCING THAT DECISION, AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO REFRAIN FROM VOTING AND DO ANOTHER COUPLE. CHECK THE BOX TYPE THINGS ON THE FORM. UM. SO TO THE POINT WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED YEAR RELATING TO THIS, THERE IS. TWO PARTS OF WHAT'S DIRECTED TO APPOINTED OFFICER. JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE FIRST PART THERE TALKS ABOUT IF YOU INTEND TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION PRIOR TO THE MEETING, ALL RIGHT, IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WOULD PROBABLY CALL THAT A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE BOARD MEMBER HAPPENS TO BE THE APPLICANT RIGHT. THEY SUBMITTED. STUFF. THEY SUBMITTED AFFIRMATIVE STUFF SAYING, HEY, I LIKE THIS ZONING CHANGES LIKE WHATEVER, AS OPPOSED TO A LOT OF VOTING CONFLICTS. WHERE IT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT THE APPLICANT. IT MIGHT BE THEIR RELATIVE OR MIGHT BE A BUSINESS ASSOCIATE THAT THEY'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THE DEAL AT ALL. BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE STATUTE WORKS, SO ON IN THAT INSTANCE, IF THEY WERE, IN FACT THE APPLICANT THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE P C. A. B PRIOR TO THE MEETING THAN QUITE FRANKLY, MY OFFICE. WHATEVER TALK WITH HIM BEFORE AND SAY, HEY, YOU GOTTA FILE YOUR FOR MAYBE BEFORE THE MEETING, ALRIGHT. THAT'S KIND OF THE EXCEPTION TO THE GENERAL RULE OF HEY, IF YOU'VE GOT A OTHERWISE HAVE A VOTING CONFLICT IN YOUR COMING ON IN HERE, YOU'VE GOT TO JUST CLEAR IT ORALLY AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW YOUR FOR MAYBE WITHIN 15 DAYS AFTERWARDS. ALL RIGHT, SO JUST JUST IN CASE PEOPLE WERE HEARING ALL THAT BUSINESS HERE, YOU KNOW, DOING IT BEFORE AND SO ON. THAT'S DIRECTED TO THE UNIQUE INSTANCE WHERE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING TO INFLUENCE IT BEFORE THE MEETING . MOST TIMES, IT'S YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH ANYBODY ON THE BOARD ABOUT AN ITEM YOU'RE TROOPING IN. AND THAT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HAD. YOU KNOW, ADDRESSED IT AT ALL. AND IN THE MEETING, YOU WOULD DECLARE YOUR CONFLICT AND IN THE ABSENCE OF THE RULE YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. AFTER DECLARING THE CONFLICT VERBALLY PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION OF THE ITEM, BUT NOT VOTE. I HOPE THAT HELP. THANK YOU. YOU WERE SAYING THE AND MR. SCOTT WAS SAYING, THAT'S WHEN THAT PERSON WOULD BRING WHATEVER INFORMATION. TO THE TABLE, BUT THEY ARE NOT[00:25:03]
ALLOWED TO VOTE IN MY CAREER, SO YEAH. JUSTICE AT A BASELINE HERE, OKAY. IN THE ABSENCE OF THE ADDITIONAL STUFF, YOU ALL ADDED IN YOUR RULES, ALRIGHT. THE STATE LAW. SAYS. IT IS PERFECTLY PERMISSIBLE FOR A MEMBER WHO HAS A VOTING CONFLICT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION . IT EVEN SAYS. I MEAN, AS THE FORM SAYS, YOU'RE EVEN ALLOWED TO QUOTE UNQUOTE ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION. ALRIGHT SO IT GOES STRONGER THAN JUST PARTICIPATE OR SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, JUST PRESENT INFORMATION. IT'S YOU'RE ALLOWED TO INFLUENCE RIGHT? BUT WHAT'S WHAT'S THE STATUTE AND WHAT'S THE FORM, SAYING IT'S SAYING BEFORE YOU START ATTEMPTING TO INFLUENCE YOU'RE GOING TO LET THEM KNOW FIRST. YOU'VE GOTTA CONFLICT. WHY SO ANYBODY HEARING YOU CAN IN THE BACK OF THEIR HEADS SAY, WELL, THIS SOUNDS LIKE GOOD INFORMATION, BUT THEY CAN ANALYZE. BUT HE ALSO SAID HE HAS A CONFLICT OR, SHE SAID THERE WAS ALSO HAVE A CONFLICT. THEY CAN WEIGH THAT AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S WHAT THE RULE AND THE STATUTE IS GETTING TO PERFECT THAT THAT'S WHAT THE STATE RULES AND THE STATUTE ARE GETTING, TOO. THE RULE AS YOU HAVE IT RIGHT NOW HAS LAYERED ON AND YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAS LAYERED ON AN ADDITIONAL PROHIBITION. IF YOU HAVE A VOTING CONFLICT. YOU ARE UNDER THE CURRENT RULES. YOU MUST REFRAIN. FROM PARTICIPATING IN CONSIDERATION OF THE MATTER. ALRIGHT, THAT'S NOTHING AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE LANGUAGE AS PROPOSED HERE WOULD QUALIFY THAT TO SAY EFFECTIVELY THAT PERSON CAN PRESENT AS IT READS HERE, PRESENT INFORMATION THAT MAY BENEFIT THE BOARD AND MAKING IT FULLY INFORMED DECISION. I'D PROBABLY READ THAT IF WE TOOK THAT LANGUAGE PRECISELY AS IT IS. IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF SAYING YOU CAN LEAN FULL IN AN ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE BUT THAT IT WOULD. YOUR COMMENTS WOULD BE DIRECTED PRIMARILY TO PROVIDING INFORMATION. WHERE THAT LINE IS , MIGHT GET MURKY SOMETIMES, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO? OKAY, UM. UM UH, BOARD MEMBERS SAYAD. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NO THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION CHAIR. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. BOARD MEMBER. PRESSLER JUST ADD. I DON'T THINK THAT THE LEGAL MINIMUM SHOULD BE OUR GOAL. I THINK THAT WE CAN AND SHOULD GO A LITTLE ABOVE THAT. UM THE APPLICANT. EVERY PROJECT HAS AN APPLICATION. IT HAS A PRESENTATION. UM ONCE YOU'RE ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE UH, I DO NOT THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE REPRESENTING YOUR OWN INTEREST. UH AND I THINK THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT THAT'S WRONG. THANK YOU. OKAY MR WATSON ASKED.WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO THE LANGUAGES JUST SUBMITTED? WOULD YOU BE WILLING? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MIRROR WHAT THE STATE SAYS, WHICH IS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS, PARTICIPATE AND INFLUENCE THE CONVERSATION FOR THE STATE STANDARD. THE REASON THAT I DID NOT FOLLOW THE STATE STANDARD IS BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD BE INFLUENCING. I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD PROVIDE INFORMATION BUT HERE, BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT. I START PROVIDING INFORMATION AND SOMEONE'S ONLY OUT. YOU'RE INFLUENCING MY DECISION MAKING PROCESS WITHIN THE WHERE DOES IT STOP? LEAVE THE WORDING TO OUR ATTORNEY. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. I MADE A PRESENT A PROPOSAL. I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY UP HERE DOING A SALES PITCH. WHAT I DO WANT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN USE. I THINK THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM THERE. SO RATHER THAN REMOVING IT AND GOING ALL THE WAY TO THIS DAY, I DON'T WANT YOU GIVING ME A SALES PITCH ANY MORE THAN ANY OF THE REST OF US DO. I JUST WANT ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN BRING TO THE TABLE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO COME IN THE MIDDLE. AS HE SAID, THIS WAS THIS IS A MIDWAY. I THINK IF WE MOVE MIDWAY, AND WE SEE THAT IT WORKS, THEN WE'RE GOOD TO GO. I DON'T NEED A SALES PITCH FROM FROM ANYBODY BUT THE PEOPLE BRINGING THE PRESENTATION, BUT I WOULD LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION I CAN GET. SO I THINK WE'LL LEAVE IT TO THE ATTORNEY TO DECIDE WHAT THE WORDING IS. MADAM CHAIR. MADAM MADAM CHAIR. UM LET ME JUST SWAYED YOU OF MY MAGIC ABILITIES TO SHOOT THE MIDDLE AND MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT. OKAY AS I WAS ALLUDING TO. WHEN YOU TRY TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SOMEONE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, WHETHER LEGITIMATE OR FOR ARGUMENTATIVE PURPOSES. ARE GOING TO SAY YOU'VE GONE OFF CENTER. OKAY THIS IS WHY WHEN IT COMES TO RULES LIKE THIS, SOMETIMES BRIGHT LINE RULES ARE MUCH BETTER. OKAY DO YOU FEEL LIKE GOING WITH THE STATE STANDARD? EXACTLY AS IT READS WOULD BE MORE CLARIFICATION, THEN. BECAUSE I CAN STILL DEAL WITH THAT. IF THEY GIVE A SALES
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PITCH, I'LL JUST IGNORE IT. GO GOING WITH EITHER THE STATE STANDARD. OR THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE INFINITELY MORE CLEAR FOR EVERYONE IN THE ROOM TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY SAY YOU'RE EITHER FOLLOWING THE RULE OR YOU'RE NOT. I AM WILLING TO GO WITH HOW THE STATE HAS ITS STATED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ATTORNEYS HAVE DONE THIS, AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO I THINK WE SHOULD GET THE INFORMATION. AND IF THIS IS THE WAY TO CLARIFY IT, THEN THEN, YES. THEN WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THAT WE DO IT WITH THE STATE'S ABILITY FOR THEM TO PRESENT INFORMATION AND DO WHATEVER ELSE THE STATE OKAY FOR CLARITY JUST FOR CLARITY. SO THE WAY THEY ARE YOU SAYING? ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE WAY THAT IS STATED NOW. NOT AT NOT THE INDIAN TOWN. I WANT TO CHANGE WHAT WE'VE GOT WHAT HAS BEEN ADDED IN BY SOMEONE AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT HAS LIMITED OUR AVAILABILITY OF INFORMATION . I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT BACK, AND HE IS NOW SUGGESTING TO USE THE LEGAL LANGUAGE THAT THIS FORM PROVIDES, WHICH SAYS TO INFLUENCE AND DO ON SO AND SO. SO FORTH. MY LANGUAGE WAS SIMPLY AN ATTEMPT TO GET DISCUSSION GOING. UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO OUR ATTORNEY AND WHAT HE THINKS WOULD BE MORE CLEAR, SO THAT LANGUAGE IS THIS LANGUAGE BEING PUT BACK INTO OUR WHAT WE DO HERE. I BELIEVE THIS LANGUAGE HAS BEEN PREPARED BY SOMEONE MORE AUTHORITY AND WITH GREATER EDUCATION ON THIS PROCESS THAN WE HAVE HERE, OR THAT ANY OF US HAS EVER EXPERIENCED. SO IF. OUR ATTORNEY FEELS LIKE THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE, THEN YES, THAT I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD VOTE TO DO. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR SCOTT. I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THIS JUST MIRROR THE LANGUAGE THAT THE STATE ALLOWS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN VETTED THROUGH. GOD KNOWS HOW MANY ISSUES IN THE PAST SO THAT THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION. OKAY MADAM CHAIR IF I MIGHT SO THIS BOARD A YEAR AGO DECIDED TO ADOPT THESE RULES AND PROCEDURES AND YOU MADE A DECISION AT THAT POINT. TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES WHICH OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE DONE AS WELL. TWO. ADD THE PROVISION THAT. THE PERSON WHO HAS THE CONFLICT MAY NOT SPEAK.SO TONIGHT. YOU'RE DECIDING. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT TO MATCH THE STATE OR LEAVE IT AS IS THAT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, IF WE CAN ALL RIGHT. LET ME JUST HEAR FROM VICE. LET ME JUST HEAR FROM HER AND THEN SURE CAN MOVE FORWARD. YEAH, CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION. SO IF WE WERE TO BE FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION OF BOARD MEMBER ON SAGER THAN THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WELL, IT WAS BASICALLY MEANS THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION. CONSIDERATION IN THE PRESENTATION. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. UH YEAH, AN INDIVIDUAL WITH THE CONFLICT WOULD WOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST GONNA OFFER TO THE POINT OF HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT. ALRIGHT EVERYBODY HAS THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IN THE RULE IN FRONT OF THEM, IT'S ACTUALLY WOULD BE STRIKING OUT INSTEAD OF ADDING IT, UM SO IN THAT PARAGRAPH THREE IF YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU EFFECTIVELY, WHAT IT WOULD BE IS STRIKING THE WHOLE CLAUSE THAT READS AND SHALL ENTIRELY REFRAINED FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION OR PRESENTATION OF THE MATTER. BECAUSE BASICALLY THE REST OF THAT IS ALL SAYING, DO WHAT? UH SECTION 112.3143 SETS. ALL RIGHT NOW I WILL OFFER IF I'M BEING REALLY TECHNICAL. THERE IS A SLIGHT TWEAK ADDITIONAL SLIGHT TWEAK AND THREE. I DOUBT ANYONE HAS AN OBJECTION TO IT. THIS IS CATEGORICALLY THAT YOU WOULD DISCLOSE YOUR CONFLICT AT, UH, THE BEGINNING. BEGINNING OF CONSIDERATION OF THE MATTER. THAT'S WHAT ANYONE WOULD DO ANYWAYS. BUT WHAT THIS SAYING IS, YOU COULDN'T IF YOU START AND YOU GO HALF AN HOUR DISCUSSING IT. AND THEN YOU DISCLOSE YOUR CONFLICT AND THEN START TALKING ABOUT IT. THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, OFF FROM THIS SO WHAT THIS WOULD MAINTAIN. AND I TELL ME IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTION IS HEY, WHEN YOU GET TO THAT ITEM, YOU GOTTA CONFLICT. JUST DISCLOSE IT RIGHT THEN. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE TOO HIGH BURDEN, BUT IT WITH THAT IT WOULD SIMPLY BE STRIKING THE CLAUSE. I JUST REFERENCED AND THAT WOULD FOLLOW ALONG WITH MY PURPOSE. GO AHEAD. MEMBERS OF
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YAYA. THANK YOU AND AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY THE IF THE PERSON PROVIDES INFORMATION, THERE'S STILL NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE UNDER THE STATE RULES. CORRECT THAT'S EXACTLY IF THEY HAVE A VOTING CONFLICT UNDER THE STATE RULES, THEY WOULD BE PRECLUDED FROM VOTING. OKAY? OKAY UM, THANK YOU. BOARD I HOPE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR. ALL MINDS ARE CLEAR. OKAY SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO OUR DIRECTOR. WE HAVE ONE. OTHER OTHER TO CHOOSE TO MAKE A MOTION. TO MOVE THAT WAY ITSELF , MADAM CHAIR. I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS IN THE RULES. UM, THE UH, REQUIREMENT TO AMEND YOUR RULES IS AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF MAJORITY OF THE ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP. OKAY WHICH ACTUALLY BOILS DOWN TO THE SAME GOT SIX YEARS, SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE AN AFFIRMATIVE. VOTED FOR ALL RIGHT. SO EVERYBODY OKAY, JUST JUST TO THE CAT. RECAP UM, DIRECTOR JEFFERSON, CAN YOU TELL US AGAIN? WE HAVE THIS OR THAT. CAN YOU JUST REITERATE REAL QUICK LIKE THE LEFT? YEAH. YEAH I'LL GO AHEAD AND HANDLE THE FRUIT. THAT'S FINE. IT WOULD EITHER BE EFFECTIVELY, UM. BASED ON THE DISCUSSION, IT WOULD BE LEAVING THE CURRENT RULES IN YOUR. RULES AND REGULATIONS AS IT IS, AND THAT IS A MEMBER WITH VOTING CONFLICT CANNOT IN ANY WAY PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION OF THE MATTER. OR STRIKING THE CLAUSE. I REFERENCED AND REVERTING TO THE STATE STANDARD , ALLOWING A MEMBER TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION OF THE MATTER IF THEY HAD EVEN IF THEY HAVE A VOTING CONFLICT SO LONG AS THEY HAVE DISCLOSED THE CONFLICT. OKAY SO WE HAVE HEARD BOTH BOTH. UM SCENARIOS. NOW IT'S TIME TO VOTE. YES I MOVE THAT WE VOTE. YOU NEED EMOTIONAL SORRY. MOVE THAT WE VOTE. NO, I'M SORRY. AND UM ARE YOU MOVING THE LANGUAGE THAT BEFORE? TO STRIKE THE LANGUAGE THAT TO PUT IT BACK THE WAY THE STATE IS. YES, THAT'S WHEN I SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY? IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY. UM UH BOARD MEMBER UN SANK SINKER SUNCOR ON SOCCER AND SECOND BY, UH, BOARD MEMBER WATSON. THAT CAN I ASK FOR THE CAN I ASK THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY CAN YOU READ THAT LANGUAGE? UH INTO THE RECORD, SO THE TRANSCRIPTIONIST HAS IT? SURE ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. IT WAS YOUR MOST EMISSION SONG. YEAH THE MOTION IS TO STRIKE FROM ARTICLE SIX DAY THREE. THE CLAUSE THAT READS. AND SHALL ENTIRELY REFRAINED FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION OR PRESENTATION OF THE MATTER. TWO. JUST STRIKING IT STRIKING IT.OKAY? THANK YOU, OKAY. CALL. OKAY. POINT MEMBER PRESSLER. NO. FOR MEMBERS TO HAYEK. YES. PRICE CHAIR, MILEY NO. CHAIR PALMER. WE HAVE A 33 TIME. YOU DIDN'T CALL, UM MR WATSON. WELL, OH, BECAUSE, MR WATSON, SECONDS IT AND ITS FIRST THE ASSUMPTION IS THERE FOR IT, NOT AGAINST HIM.
TIME MOTION FAILS, MOTION FAILS . RATES. OKAY? CENSORSHIP WHEREVER. THAT MEANS YOUR RULES ARE UNCHANGED. OKAY? NEXT ITEM. OKAY OUR NEXT ITEM ITEM THREE ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF
[3. AN ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 40, “UTILITIES”, OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN CODE OF ORDINANCES; ADOPTING ADJUSTED WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES AND RELATED ADJUSTMENTS TO CAPACITY PER EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL CONNECTION; RETITLING ARTICLE VII OF CHAPTER 40 FROM “WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEES” TO “WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES”; REVISING REFERENCES TO “IMPACT FEES” TO READ “CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES”; AND PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS, CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.]
INDIAN TOWN, FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 40 UTILITIES OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN COAT OF ORDINANCE ADOPTING ADJUSTED WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES AND RELATED ADJUSTMENTS TO CAPACITY PER EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL CONNECTIONS. RETIRED RE TITLING ARTICLE SIX. THAT'S SIX RIGHT. IS THAT SEVEN THANK YOU. ARTICLE SEVEN OF CHAPTER 40 FROM WATER[00:40:10]
AND SEWER IMPACT FEES TO WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES WE VISITING READ REVISING REFERENCES TO IMPACT FEES TO READ CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES AND PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS CODIFICATION. CONFLICTS SERVE, SERVE ABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE. OKAY WE YES. I'LL BE HANDLING THIS ITEM AND DANIEL DUKE. I FORGOT TO ASK YOU BEFOREHAND. DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM WRAPPED ELLIS? UH ON ZOOM RIGHT NOW. OUTSTANDING, ALRIGHT. AND PATS ON AS WELL. ALL RIGHT, UH, MICHAEL, DO YOU WANT ME TO TEE UP AND GIVE A GENERAL EXPLANATION OF WHAT IMPACT FEES ARE AND CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES AND ALL THAT GREAT STUFF FOR UH, DO YOU WANT TO, UH TAKE A SWING AT THAT. UH, WHATEVER YOU PREFER. ALRIGHT IF YEAH. I'LL START US OUT AND THEN HE CAN DIVE INTO THE INTO THE WAVES, SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF THE ITEMS YOU'VE HAD COME BEFORE YOU THE LAST MANY MONTHS, BUT IT WILL NOT BE THE LAST OF ITS NATURE. ITS RELATES TO WATER AND WASTEWATER, WATER AND WASTEWATER, NOT TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE P.C. A. B. THE REASON IT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. ALRIGHT IS BECAUSE IT IS AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE ARE. IT IS. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE. UM. MODIFYING A FEE THAT IS IN THE NATURE OF AN IMPACT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHY WE DON'T CALL IT IMPACT THESE IN HERE ANYMORE.
BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR ANALYSIS, TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF HOW THIS WORKS, LET'S JUST SIMPLIFY IT AND SAY IT'S AN IMPACT. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT AN IMPACT FOR YEARS, ALL RIGHT? IMPACT THESE GENERALLY OR IN THIS INSTANCE WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES IN PARTICULAR. THEY ARE DESIGNED. THEY ARE A TYPE OF REVENUE MECHANISM FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO ASSIGNED TO THE EXTENT THAT'S PRACTICAL GROWTH RELATED CAPITAL COSTS FOR FROM, UH APARTMENT GROWTH RATE CAPITAL COSTS TO NEW DEVELOPMENT. ALRIGHT, SO NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS. ALRIGHT. UM AND SO. THE VERY IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE AT THE OUTSET IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES OR MANY MONTHS FROM NOW, WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT OTHER IMPACT FEES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THESE ARE FAKE FEES THAT ARE PAID BY NEW RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. OKAY THESE ARE NOT THE TYPE OF FEES THAT ARE CHARGED TO EXISTING WATER.
CUSTOMER RATE PAIRS. ALL RIGHT, SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HEAR CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES, YOU THINK OH, MAN, IF I GO BUY A HOUSE EXISTING HOUSE AND SIGN UP FOR NEW SERVICE. I'M GOING TO BE PAYING THESE INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF MONEY. FOR THAT. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS FEE IS. OKAY THIS FEE IS FOR WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW RESIDENTIAL AND NEW HOUSE, A NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, NEW SUPERMARKET A NEW, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL COMPLEX GOES IN THERE PAYING THESE WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES TO PAY. THEIR FAIR SHARE OR AS BEST AS A AS AN EXPERT CAN ESTIMATED THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THE CAPITAL COSTS TO THE SYSTEM AS A RESULT OF THAT. NEW DEVELOPMENT, OKAY? UM BASICALLY . IMPACT FEES AND CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES, WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES. GENERALLY, THEY HAVE TO SATISFY A RULE AND THIS IS THIS IS COMPLICATED HERE, BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT SIMPLE. THEY HAVE TO SATISFY WHAT'S CALLED THE DUAL RATIONAL NEXUS TEST. ALRIGHT STUFF MADE UP IN CASE LAW OVER THE DECADES, ULTIMATELY BY THE U. S. SUPREME COURT. BASICALLY IMPACT FEES AND WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES HAVE TO SATISFY TWO TESTS. THEY HAVE TO BE PROPORTIONAL OR REASONABLY CONNECTED TO OR HAVING A RATIONAL NEXUS WITH THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL CAPITAL FACILITIES IN INCREASED IMPACT GENERATED BY NEW RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? MEANS THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME PROPORTIONAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HOW MUCH IMPACT SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN HAS RIGHT AND HOW MUCH YOUR CHARGING THEM. THAT'S ONE WAY IT'S GOT TO BE
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CONNECTED. THE OTHER IS IT'S GOT TO BE PROPORTIONAL OR REASONABLY CONNECTED TO OR HAVE A RATIONAL NEXT OF FLIP NEXUS WITH EXPENDITURES OF THE FUNDS COLLECTED AND BENEFITS ACCRUING TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT YOU SAY ALRIGHT, YOU'RE COMING TO DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS MUCH IMPACT ON OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM FOR OUR NEED FOR NEW CAPITAL FACILITIES. WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY ALL RIGHT, WE CAN'T JUST TAKE THIS MONEY AND THEN RUN OFF AND SPEND IT ON WHATEVER WE WANT. AH WE HAVE TO SPEND IT ON CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY REASONABLY RELATED TO AH, THE IMPACTS THAT ARE CAUSED BY THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE THAT THOSE , UM, EXPENDITURES ULTIMATELY HAVE TO BENEFIT THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL. ALRIGHT. NOW THIS CAN GET WILDLY COMPLICATED IN IN THE ANALYSIS OF THESE THINGS, WHICH IS WHY THE LAW EFFECTIVELY REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ENGAGE. IMPACT THE OR OTHER FEE EXPERTS WHO DO THIS FOR A LIVING WHO UNDERSTAND PRECISELY BOTH THE LAW RELATING TO THESE TYPES OF FEES AND CAN SIT AND DO THE FACILITIES ANALYSIS AND THE COMPLEX MATH TO WORK OUT WHAT SORT OF FEES WOULD BE LEGAL UNDER THIS? THIS IS NOT THE TYPE OF FEE WHERE THE VILLAGE COUNCIL . CONSIDER AROUND AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO MAKE SOME MONEY AND JUST SAID IT WHATEVER. THE IT MUST BE ALL RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH REGARD TO THESE FEES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU. AH AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT WE HAVE ON WITH US TONIGHT AS THEY CONDUCTED A STUDY THAT WENT THROUGH OUR SYSTEM AND WENT THROUGH. YOU KNOW EVERYTHING WE HAVE NOW TO GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND. WE CURRENTLY HAVE WATER AND SEWER IMPACT THESE WITHIN THE VILLAGE , THE ONLY IMPACT VISA VILLAGE HAS ADOPTED THUS FAR. AND BY THE WAY, THE REASON WHY THIS IS BEFORE YOU DENY IS UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES, IMPACT FEES OR THINGS LIKE IMPACT FEES ARE BY DEFINITION LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, MODIFICATIONS, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, WHICH IS Y'ALL. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE THE VILLAGE COUNCIL FOR THEM TO REVIEW AND ADOPT. BY AN ORDINANCE. OKAY UM, THE VILLAGE WHEN IT FIRST STARTED UP. AH! WHEN IT FIRST ACQUIRED THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM FROM THE INDIAN TOWN COMPANY. WE HAD AN INITIAL IMPACT THE STUDY CONDUCTED AT THAT TIME, AND THOSE IMPACT THESE FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER WERE ADOPTED. ALRIGHT. UM, SUBSEQUENTLY, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN, UM AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED BOTH IN IN EXPANDING QUALITY AND CAPACITY, QUALITY AND QUANTITY. AND IN THE COURSE OF ALL OF THAT THE VILLAGE REALIZED WE NEED TO LOOK YOU KNOW MUCH DEEPER INTO WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AND WHAT NEEDS WOULD BE CREATED BY NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING INTO THE VILLAGE. AND THAT LED US TO THE STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY RALF TELL US, WHICH IS ONE OF THOSE FIRMS. I TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THOSE EXPERTS THAT THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ENGAGED TO DO THAT. WITH THAT. LET ME GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO, UH, TWO. YOU AND COULD YOU PLEASE GO AHEAD AND, UH TAKE THEM THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU ALL FOUND. MICHAEL I APOLOGIZE. I'VE FORGOTTEN YOUR NAME. IN THE COURSE OF MY TALKING. GO AHEAD, MICHAEL. IT'S ALL GOOD. EVERYONE. MY NAME IS MICHAEL. NO GUN WITH REPTILES, CONSULTANTS. WE CONDUCTED THE CAPACITY CONNECTION FEE STUDY FOR THE VILLAGE AND, UM THE FINDINGS THAT WE FOUND ESSENTIALLY, UM SO FIRST I THAT WAS A GREAT SYNOPSIS SUMMARY OF HOW THESE FEES WORKING AND RELATIONSHIP THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE SYSTEM AND THE VILLAGE. UM SO SOME OF THE FINDINGS FROM THE STUDY. UM WE HAVE SO THE ORIGINAL IMPACT FEES THAT WERE EXISTING AT THE TIME WERE $620 AND $580 FOR COMBINED OF $1200 CABLE CONNECTION THINGS, UM, THE RIGHTS OF THE FEES THAT WE CALCULATED IN COMBINED WERE 8200. WHICH IS ABOUT $7000 INCREASE, UM IN THOSE CAPITAL CONNECTION, REFUSED. UM THE REASON BEHIND THAT, AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE I'M HERE ONE MOMENT. I'M GETTING SOME FEEDBACK. UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIX THAT. OKAY, LET ME SEE[00:50:08]
YOU OKAY? IT'S SO ALL THE REASONS WHY THERE WAS THAT LARGE INCREASE IN THE CAPACITY CONNECTION FEES IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT EXISTING FACILITIES ARE REACHING THE END OF THEIR SERVICEABLE LIFE. UM TYPICALLY, THE EXISTING FACILITIES WILL HAVE, UM, AVAILABLE CAPACITY THAT COULD BE USED FOR THE NEW CONNECTIONS AND THAT THEY COULD BUY INTO THAT AND THOSE ALREADY IN PLACE. ASSETS USUALLY ARE TYPICALLY ARE CHEAPER THAN THE NEWER ONES THAT WILL BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED IN THE FUTURE FOR A SYSTEM. UM SO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, BASICALLY THE WE TOOK ALL THE ASSETS FROM THE SYSTEM, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM AND WE SAID, OK, WE'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE THE SUPPLY AND TREATMENT FOR WATER AS WELL AS THE TREATMENT FOR WASTEWATER BECAUSE THE PLANTS ARE CURRENTLY AT THE END OF THEIR SERVICE AND THEN BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE. WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THE TRANSMISSION LINES AND COLLECTION LINES. AND WE PLEASE INCLUDED ABOUT 80% OF THOSE FROM THE FEE. UM WHICH LEFT? UM ABOUT $1 MILLION OF THE EXISTING ASSETS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE FEE. UM IN COMPARISON TO THE TOTAL, WHICH IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, IT'S ABOUT 13 MILLION. UM SO THEN THE PART THAT REALLY DRIVES THAT THIS COST INCREASE AS WELL AS THE ADDITION OF THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT. UM SO THE C I P THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. UM UH, BUT THAT'S A PLAN THROUGH PHASE ONE. AT THE TIME TO STUDY THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2026. UM.THAT WAS PROXIES 67 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT IS THE WATER PLANT AND A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN. I THINK THAT, UM . OUT OF THE ENTIRE CAPITAL TREATMENT PLANS. THE WATER IMPROVED. THE WATER PLANT IS ABOUT 55% OF THE ENTIRE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN DURING THE FORECAST PERIOD, AND THEN THE WASTEWATER PLANT IS ABOUT 90% SO ESSENTIALLY, THE VILLAGES. PLANNING TO BUILD ALMOST NEW SYSTEMS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE DRIVERS BEHIND THE FEES IS THE FEES, UH, BEING HIGHER? UM.
BUT THEN I THINK I CAN SPEAK TO THE COMPARISON. UM UM. COMBINED BASIS LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE THE, UM THE STUDY FOUND. THAT IF HE WOULD BE ABOUT $8200 TOGETHER FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM, WHICH WAS ON THE HIGHER END OF THE COMPARISON WITH OTHER , UM UTILITIES ARE SIMILAR OR COMPARABLE. AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND PAT, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I GET THIS WRONG, BUT, UH, THE COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING A THAT IMPLEMENT THIS RIGHT ENTIRELY THIS BE INCREASED ENTIRELY, BUT TO KEEP IT MORE WITHIN THE RANGE OF ABOUT $5000 ON A COMBINED BASIS, UM YEAH. AND. UM JUST FROM, YOU KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. AND THAT'S THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDY. THANK YOU. AND MADAM SHARED. LET ME GO AHEAD AND TAKE AND RUN WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND MICHAEL, I'M GONNA I'M ACTUALLY GONNA THROW UP, UH, TONY'S POWER POINT FROM WHEN HE PREVIOUSLY SPOKE WITH THE COUNCIL TO KIND OF FLESH OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT YOU HAD ALLUDED TO ABOUT THE COUNCIL'S INITIAL DISCUSSION OF WHERE THEY WERE THINKING OF GOING WITH THIS THERE, AND I JUST LOGGED INTO ZOOM. I'M GOING TO TAKE OVER FOR A SECOND. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. AH! LET ME SEE HERE. HERE WE GO. UH HUH. ALL RIGHT. SEE IF I CAN ZOOM THIS IN AT ALL. THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. SO, UM. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK UP HERE, THIS IS A CHART THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THEIR, UH, THEIR BIG LONG CAPITAL CONNECTION FEE REPORT. YOU CAN SEE, UM RAP PALACES INITIAL PROPOSED FEE THERE, $8200, AND THEN THEY PROVIDED A COMPETITIVE SET NOW. HERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT IMPACT THE FEES OR THINGS
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THAT ARE LIKE IMPACT THESE LIKE WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES. WHEN THEY DO A STUDY WHEN A WHEN A EXPERT DOES A STUDY AND LOOKS AT IT. THAT NUMBER EFFECTIVELY ENDS UP BECOMING THE CAP OR MAX OF WHERE IT CAN GO TO, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN TELL YOU IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION CAN BE FULLY JUSTIFIED IN ASSESSING HOWEVER, A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH , FOR EXAMPLE, THE VILLAGE COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, WE'VE GOT TO BALANCE A LOT OF INTERESTS. UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT, YOU KNOW? RECOMMENDATION OF THAT BE HERE, BUT THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SAY WE HAVE OTHER REASONS WHY WE MIGHT PUT IT AT SOMETHING LOWER SO THAT STUDY EFFECTIVELY JUSTIFIES A CAP. THEY COULD NOT WITHOUT SUBJECTING THE LEGAL CHALLENGE SAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF 8200 WILL SET IT AT 12,000. THAT WOULD BE WAY OUT OF BOUNDS THERE. SO IN THE COURSE OF THIS, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ITEM WITH THE COUNCIL BACK IN JANUARY TO GET THEM UP TO SPEED GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE AND THEY LOOKED AT THIS CHART LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE INFORMATION. AND, UM I WOULD SUMMARIZE THE GENERAL DISCUSSION ALONG THE LINES OF THEY THOUGHT.JUMPING UP FROM $1200 TO $8200. AND KEEP IN MIND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED PER E R. C. ALRIGHT THAT'S PER EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL CONNECTION. SO. FOR YOUR PURPOSES HERE THAT IS FOR EACH SINGLE FAMILY HOME. ALRIGHT SO RIGHT NOW EVERY SINGLE FAMILY HOME BEING BUILT NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME BEING BUILT IN A NEW SUBDIVISION HERE IN THE VILLAGE WOULD PAY $1200 IN WATER AND SEWER IMPACT PHASE ALRIGHT GOING TOWARDS THEIR CAPITAL IMPACT ON OUR SYSTEM. IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THE RAFT, TELL US RECOMMENDATION STRAIGHT OUT, IT WOULD JUMP UP TO $8200. FOR HOME IN THAT INSTANCE. ALRIGHT. UM WHEN THE COUNCIL LOOKED AT IT, AND THEY LOOKED AT THE COMPETITIVE SET HERE THEY WERE LOOKING AROUND AT AT DIFFERENT ONES. AND ULTIMATELY, AFTER A LOT OF DISCUSSION WHERE THEIR INITIAL DIRECTION WAS AND WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IN THE IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, THAT THAT STAFF HAS PUT BEFORE YOU TO RECOMMEND TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. IS ONE THAT SETS THE, UM WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE CHART FOR THE CITY OF STUART CITY OF STEWART SERVICE OUTSIDE CORPORATE LIMITS , IN OTHER WORDS, COMBINED IMPACT OR CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES OF $5031. ALRIGHT SO THAT IS. WHAT YOU ALL HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND LET ME GO AHEAD AND UNSHARED. AND, UM. AS MENTIONED BEFORE PAT NOLAN IS ON AS WELL. SO MICHAEL AND PAT AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTION. OH, I APOLOGIZE, MISS ON SINGER. YES, WELL, THIS BE CHARGED TO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PROGRESS AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS THE HOUSES ARE BUILT, OR ARE THEY GRANDFATHERED IN AT THE 1200? GREAT QUESTION. SO IT'S A LITTLE BOTH. LET ME TELL YOU VERY PRECISELY HOW IT WORK, OKAY? SO UM. ONE VERY IMPORTANT FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT IN FLORIDA ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IS CAPACITY FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, OKAY? IT USED TO BE WHEN? WHEN I SAY USED TO BE I MEAN, WAY BACK IN THE NINETIES AND SO ON, UM, WHEN DEVELOPMENT CAME IN, THEY HAD TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAD SUFFICIENT CAPACITY AND ALL MANNER OF THINGS. WATER WASTE WATER. SOLID WASTE ROADS. ALRIGHT, THAT WAS A BIG ONE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE OVERLOADED. YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THE LEGISLATURE WIPED MOST OF THAT OUT YEARS AGO. ONE THING THEY DID NOT WIPE OUT IS THE NEED TO HAVE AVAILABLE WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY. ALRIGHT IF YOU'RE GONNA IF YOU'RE WITHIN A RANGE OF A WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM AND THEY ARE OUT OF CAPACITY, I THEY CAN'T PUT IT ANY MORE WATER THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE CAPACITY TO DO, OR THEY CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE WASTEWATER. THEN YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK. YOU'RE NOT DEVELOPING, AND THAT'S STILL EXISTS IN FLORIDA. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DEVELOPERS DO AND WHAT DEVELOPERS AND, UM AND WATER WASTEWATER SYSTEMS DO IS AS A PROJECT IS STARTING TO COME ONLINE WITH THEIR SITE PLAN
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APPROVAL COMING THROUGH THEY WILL PAY TO RESERVE CAPACITY. OKAY AND SO THAT HAS HAPPENED WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THUS FAR, UH, WITH VERY SMALL PROJECT WITH, UM. CAROLINA NO, TARALLO IS NOT A SMALL PROJECT. TRACTOR SUPPLY WE DID. IT WAS VERY SMALL, BUT NO TERRA LAGO IS THE BIGGEST AND BEST EXAMPLE. THEY HAVE, UM UH, THEY HAVE EXECUTED WATER AND WASTEWATER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH THE VILLAGE FOR PHASE ONE A AND FOR PHASE ONE B AND THOSE WERE EITHER DONE A LITTLE BIT AFTER OR IN THE CASE OF ONE BE CONCURRENTLY WITH THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVALS ALRIGHT, SO THEY'RE BUYING THEIR WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY RIGHT THEN, SO THAT IF THEY'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THE EFFORT TO START DOING SITE WORK AND EVERYTHING, AND THEY'RE GONNA START THROWING UP HOUSES THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY GET THE HOUSES ALL, UH, ALL DONE, AND THEN THEY COME TO US TO PAY WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT THESE AND WE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CAPACITY SO YOU CAN LET THOSE HOUSES SIT THERE. ALL RIGHT.THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE DEVELOPERS WILL RESERVE CAPACITY. AT THAT POINT, UM, VERY SIMILAR THING. WE HAVE A WATER WASTEWATER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON UH, THE SCOPE OF THE EXISTING OR SCOPE OF THE PROPOSED RIVER OAK PROJECT, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THAT THERE WITH REGARD TO TERRA LAGO IN SUBSEQUENT PHASES. ALRIGHT SO PHASE ONE C PHASE TWO. PHASE THREE. PHASE FOUR. PHASE FIVE. YEAH AND PHASE FIVE. UH THOSE PHASES FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION CHARGES THEY WILL BE PAYING WHATEVER THE THEN CURRENT RATE IS SO THERE IS SOME GRANDFATHER BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. SO YOU'RE NOT STUCK WITH DEVELOPED HOUSES THAT AREN'T ALLOWED TO GET C O D. BUT NOT ALL OF ITS GRANDFATHER. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WASTEWATER PLANT WHEN THE VILLAGE INDIAN TOWN VILLAGE PURCHASED IT. UM THEY GOT A PIG IN A POKE IN A WAY. AH THAT IT'S REALLY DIMINISHED. ITS SERVICE IS REALLY DIMINISHED EVEN TO THE RESIDENTS THAT IT'S PROVIDING FOR NOW, SO THIS CAPITAL IS NECESSARY. FOR US TO HAVE ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY. THESE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. WE HAVE TO IMPROVE OUR WASTEWATER. AND THAT MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. IS THAT CORRECT? CAP YET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE CATEGORICALLY NECESSARY TO YEAH, FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SOURCES WHERE WHERE THE VILLAGE IS PUTTING TOGETHER MONEY FOR THAT, BUT ONE OF THE MOST COMMON ONE IS A FEE LIKE THIS. OKAY. THANK YOU, SCOTT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND YES FACILITIES. WHEN THE WHEN WE PURCHASE UTILITIES, YOU KNOW THERE. AT THE END OF THE VIEWS OF OTHER USEFUL LIFE. AND ONE THING THAT SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BRING IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD NEW PLANT WHICH IS DESPERATELY NEEDED. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THIS PROCESS THIS ANALYSIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND DURING THAT PROCESS. I BELIEVE YOU KNOW, KEVIN OFFERED EFFORTS OF KEVIN POWERS AND, UH, THE TERRA LAGO GROUP OF BUT ALMOST $40 MILLION. I BELIEVE IN FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WASTE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM. HAS THAT MONEY BEEN USED IN THIS CALCULATION TO COME OUT THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, OR OR WAS THAT IGNORED BECAUSE IT CAME IN SOME 20 MILLION JUST CAME IN THE OTHER DAY. IT JUST CAME OUT RIGHT LITERALLY JUST THE OTHER DAY. UM MICHAEL AND YOU, MICHAEL, YOU MAY NOT BE TEED UP. UH, TO DIG INTO THE WEEDS OF THAT QUESTION. I KNOW THAT, UM AH! AND MAN, HIS NAME JUST WENT RIGHT OUT OF MY HEAD UP. NO I'M SORRY. PAT OUR MAIN CONSULTANT WITH REF TELLIS. TONY YEAH, I RECALL TONY. UH TONY, HAVING DISCUSSED THAT WITH US PREVIOUSLY, BUT I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T IT'S REALLY NOT. IT'S REALLY MORE FOR THE FOR THE EDIFICATION OF THE TALENT COUNCIL OR US AND THE TOWN COUNCIL IS THE FACT THAT MORE MONEY HAS COME IN, AND I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT THAT'S BEEN CALCULATED INTO THIS BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON GOING FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO JUST EVERYBODY. 20 HAS NOT BECAUSE THE 20 JUST CAN'T JUST CAME SO THAT THAT'S A HUGE HMM. 30 18 WAS FIGURED IN THE CALCULATIONS BECAUSE WE WERE THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT. BUT 20 JUST CAME IN RECENTLY. SO NO, THAT WASN'T IN THE CALCULATIONS, OKAY? AND JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S CONSIDERATION THAT THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A VIABLE AND FROM WHAT I COULD TELL IT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME THAT
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OUR CONSULTANT HAD DEPRECIATED THE VALUE OF OUR ENTIRE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM TO $1 MILLION. I WASN'T IT WAS HAVING A LITTLE BIT HARD TIME FOLLOWING FOLLOWING THEM THERE. UM YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANOTHER HOUSE BUILT IN INDIAN TOWN. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DO MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM WITHOUT QUESTION. SO I SAY THIS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HELP. HELP IT ALREADY HAS. WE'VE ALREADY GOT ALMOST $40 MILLION HAS COME IN THE DOOR. TWO INDIAN TOWN BASED ON THE FACT THAT DEVELOPMENTS COMING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, SO YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PROMISED WHEN YOU KNOW WHEN I WOULD SAY WE INC WAS PROMISED TO THE CITIZENS OF ANY TOWN AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CARE A LOT ABOUT IS WE PROMISE PEOPLE WE WOULD BUILD SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN INDIAN TOWN. NOW WE'RE GONNA BE ATTRACTING PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE. BUT HOW DO WE HAVE A WE DON'T HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ELEMENT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OR L D. R S WHICH I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS AND WE DID NOT DEVELOP. A SYSTEM TO BRING THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION DOWN FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF HOUSING LIST CAUGHT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT BE CALLED MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN INDIAN TOWN CAN AFFORD SO I WOULD. MY ONLY CAUTION IS THAT IMPACT FEES , YOU KNOW, THAT IS CASH MONEY THAT'S PAID UPFRONT THAT ADDS TO THE COST OF, YOU KNOW A DEVELOPER. LET'S LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE TO PAY THE $800. WELL HE'S GOT TO MAKE A RETURN ON HIS INVESTMENT. SO BY THE TIME YOU PUT 10% ON THAT IT'S A $10,000 OR $15,000 COSTS ADD TO THE HOME. AND THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY WHEN YOU START FIGURING WHAT IT COST TO A MORTGAGE PAYMENT, SO ON AND SO FORTH, SO I WOULD JUST CAUTION EVERYBODY TO ITS SOUNDS GREAT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY TO BE HAD THERE BUT TO PICK THE MIDDLE GROUND, BUT ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT WE'VE WE'VE HAULED IN ANOTHER 20 MILLION. THERE WASN'T IN THIS CALCULATION. UH, WITH THAT SAID, SO. JUST EVERYBODY, UM TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, I GUESS IS MORE THAN ANYTHING. YOU AND MADAME CHAIR JUST TO THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO GET ON THE ROAD. I THINK KAREN WAS ABOUT TO SAY IT. YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH THIS IS TEARING CHRIS OF THE VILLAGE MANAGER. SO ONE OF THE REASONS ANOTHER REASON THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE IS BECAUSE SOME OF THE MONIES THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE FOR THE WATER EXPANSION IS, UH, STATE REVOLVING FUNDS FROM GDP FROM THE STATE. AND WITHOUT DOING THE CONNECTION FEES. AND WITHOUT DOING A RATE STUDY. THEY ARE RELUCTANT TO APPROVE ANY OF THESE LOANS, WHICH 80% OF THE $12 MILLION THAT WE JUST GOT FOR WATER WAS FORGIVEN. BUT THEY WILL NOT. THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED THAT IF WE DON'T START GETTING THESE FEES IN ORDER AND TAKING CARE OF OUR UTILITY ENTERPRISE FUND IS WHAT THEY CALL IT WHERE YOU DEPRECIATE AND WHATEVER YOU PUT INTO IT IS BEING SPENT ON THE UTILITY. THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE OR GET ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING. UM WITHOUT THAT, SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS ALSO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IF MY MAY ASK, KAREN, UM OBVIOUSLY, THE SO THERE THEY WANT TO SEE THE PROCESS. ARE THEY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DOLLAR VALUE OF THAT? THAT PROCESS PRODUCES OR THAT WE WENT THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS, AND WE ARRIVED AT SOME NUMBER THAT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. BOTH BOTH. OKAY? ALRIGHT. OKAY MEMBER PRESLEY. I GUESS THEY KIND OF HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. HERE WE HAVE NINE COMPARISONS SO SINCE THE MONEY THAT WAS JUST RECEIVED WASN'T CALCULATED INTO THAT ARE THE IS THIS CHART THE POWER POINT PAGE OF FIVE. GOING TO BE CHANGED, AMENDED. UM SO YEAH. LET LET ME ADDRESS A COUPLE OF PIECES OF THAT, UM FIRST OFF JUST SO, UH, PUT EVERYTHING IN THE IN THE PROPER CONTEXT. AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE VILLAGE RECEIVED 18 $MILLION MILLION AWHILE BACK $20 MILLION JUST RECENTLY INCLUDE AS WELL AS A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY THROUGH THE SRF A LOT OF THAT THROUGH LOAN FORGIVENESS. BUT THAT 18 MILLION AND THAT 20 MILLION THEY WERE BOTH SOLELY FOR WASTEWATER.
ALRIGHT. WITHOUT GOING BACK UP THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND THERE ARE SOME WAYS TO DO IT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. UM, THAT 18 MILLION THAT 20. THAT'S ONLY ON THE SEWER SIDE. THE WASTEWATER SIDE, NOT A PENNY OF IT CAN BE SPENT ON THE WATER SIDES AND JUST PUT THAT IN YOUR HEAD. UM WITH REGARD TO THIS, AS PAT INDICATED, BECAUSE I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE TOTAL CALCULATION OF THAT 8200 KIND OF MAX. CEILING AMOUNT.
CONTEMPLATED THE IDEA. WE HAD ALREADY GOTTEN THAT 18 MILLION FOR WASTEWATER. ALRIGHT DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE THAT THAT WE HAD GOTTEN AN ADDITIONAL 20 MILLION ON THE WASTEWATER. I WOULD
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SPECULATE THAT WOULD MEAN ANYTHING ON THEIR THEIR, YOU KNOW, CAP HIGH END FEED. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE ON THE WATER DRINKING WATER SIDE. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET BIG CHUNKS OF MONEY ALONG THOSE LINES THERE. IF THEY WERE DOING A NEW RECOMMENDATION . NOW IT MIGHT CHANGE ON THEIR WASTEWATER SIDE. UM BUT NEVERTHELESS, AS WE DISCUSSED WHERE THE VILLAGE COUNCIL WAS INCLINED TO GO WAS A NUMBER, UH , SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN THAT HIGH END CAP. WHERE THE, UM. UH, WHERE THE VILLAGE APARTMENT WHERE THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDATION THAT COME IN ONE LAST THOUGHT AS WELL. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF I'VE MENTIONED IN THE AGENDA ITEM. I MAY NOT HAVE BUT JUST PUT A GENERAL IDEA IN YOUR HEAD. ANOTHER. THOUGHT. OR DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL HAD GIVEN TO THE ADMINISTRATION STAFF WAS THAT. THESE CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES BE REVISITED RELATIVELY SHORTLY, OKAY, BECAUSE THE HOPE IS. THAT THE 18 MILLION IN THE 20 MILLION IS NOT THE END OF ANY MONEY AS WE COULD GET, WHETHER IT'S ON THE WASTEWATER OR WATERSIDE FROM ONE SOURCE OR ANOTHER. AND, UM SO. IT WOULD THERE IT WAS THEIR HOPE AND DESIRE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS MUCH MORE QUICKLY THAN YOU TEND TO TYPICALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IMPACT THESE AND IMPACT FEES AND STUDIES AND SO ON. SO THEY WERE LOOKING SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAS AT 18 MONTHS. IT WAS. IT WAS VERY SHORT IN AN IMPACT V TYPE THE SITUATION. SO, UM SO. IT WAS THEIR THOUGHT TO REVISIT THIS WITH WITH SUBSEQUENT STUDIES IN RELATIVELY SHORT ORDER, AS ADDITIONAL MONEY CAME IN. COULD COULD YOU PUT UP PAGE FOR THE PAGE RIGHT BEFORE THIS ON THE POWER POINT. LET ME SEE IF I CAN. THAT SEPARATES THE WATER FROM THE WASTEWATER. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE HERE. LET ME GET THIS RIGHT SIZE. OKAY SO IT'S IN THE MIDDLE IS TO THE $8200, WHICH IS THE WHAT? WHAT IS PROPOSED? UM. I WOULD SAY THAT THE CONSULTANT HAS PROVIDED A 23 PAGE ASSESSMENT WITH VERY GOOD REASONS WHY THEY RECOMMENDED THE PROPOSED FEE, WHICH IS THE $8200. UM. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DISMISS THEIR REPORT. AND ARBITRARILY PICK ONE IN THE MIDDLE. YOU MENTIONED THAT SOME OF THE FEES WILL COME IN OVER TIME. RIGHT? DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT? I'M SORRY YOU WERE TALKING . YOU MENTIONED THAT LIKE THE FEES. SOME OF THEM WILL COME IN OVER TIME. SOME OF THESE, LIKE, UH, TERRA LAGO, ONE A AND ONE B HAS ALREADY PAID FOR AND PUT ASIDE AT THE LOWER LEVEL AT THE $1200. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT MONEY. THEY'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA COME IN ON WHAT THAT'S LIKE 500 HOMES AT THE $1200 LEVEL. RIGHT? SOMEWHERE ALONG THOSE LINES. SO UM, I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD. UM IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, UH, THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE PROPOSED FEE. THE HIGH END THE $8200 THAT IS RECOMMENDED BASED ON THE ANALYSIS, UM THAT THEY DID, WHICH IS EXTENSIVE. ARE WE GOING TO WAIT FOR NEW NUMBERS, OR ARE WE GONNA MAKE ARE WE EXPECTED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT? YET THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT BECAUSE IT UH HAS BEEN A STATED PRIORITY OF THE COUNCIL. IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOVE ON THIS, THEY WANT TO MAKE A MOVE AND GET IT DONE IN GREAT PART BECAUSE OF WHAT KAREN HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM THE STATE REVOLVING FUND THAT THEY WANT TO SEE FORWARD PROGRESS OF SOME FLOOR ANOTHER ON ON THESE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT WE'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. RIGHT TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL, OKAY? OKAY UM, UM, MEMBER OF SAGER. LET ME LET ME CLARIFY. WHAT IF YOU DON'T MIND? MR BOSS. I'M SO SORRY. I WAS GETTING ASKED A QUESTION. I CAN I CAN I CLARIFY THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS APPROVING SOMEWHAT OF A WORD CHANGE AS WELL AS THEY'RE CHANGING IT FROM IMPACT FEES TO CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES AND THAT WE'RE[01:15:05]
NOT DETERMINING AN AMOUNT TONIGHT. WE'RE JUST DETERMINING THAT WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THESE CONNECTION FEES. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH LET LET ME BREAK THAT UP. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I UH I TEASED YOU ALL WITH SAYING HEY, THESE ARE CALLED CAPITAL CONNECTION FEE. IS NOW AND I DIDN'T EXPLAIN WHY SO, UM THESE TYPES OF FEES ARE GOVERNED BY THE GENERAL. CASE LAW THAT GOVERNS IMPACT FEES AND SO ON MEETING THAT DUAL RATIONAL NEXUS TEST I MENTIONED THERE BUT THE LEGISLATURE JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO PUT IN ADDITION TO A BUNCH OF CASE LAW HAVING TO DO WITH IMPACT PHASE, THERE IS A STATUTE ALRIGHT, THAT GOVERNS IMPACT FEES, AND THE LEGISLATURE PUT SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS , IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE CASE LAW DEVELOPED OVER THE DECADES, THINGS YOU'VE GOT TO DO WITH REGARD TO IMPACT THESE AND SO ON THE LEGISLATURE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, PUT IN A SPECIFIC EXEMPTION FROM THOSE ADDITIONAL RULES, NOT THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT'S STILL GOT TO MEET THE DUAL RATIONAL NEXUS TEST STUFF LIKE I DESCRIBED THERE BUT THERE'S ADDITIONAL RULES FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER CONNECTION FEES OR CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES. ALRIGHT SO THEY PUT IN THAT EXEMPTION THERE, AND IT WAS IN REFERENCE TO VERY SPECIFIC AREA OF CASE LAW THAT DESCRIBED EXACTLY WHAT THESE TYPES OF FEES ARE. OKAY AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE'RE CHANGING THE TERMINOLOGY TO MAKE IT MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR TO EVERYBODY. HEY THAT STATUTORY EXEMPTION THE LEGISLATURE CREATED FOR THIS EXACT TYPE OF FEE. WE'RE JUST CALLING IT THAT SO EVERYBODY KNOWS BECAUSE IT'S MY LEGAL THING. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IMPACT FEES.THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF IMPACT. THESE THAT WOULD NOT BE REGULATED LIKE THE WASTEWATER AND WATER TREATMENT, SO CALLING THEM THE CAPITAL CONNECTION FEE DIFFERENTIATES THAT GROUP OF FEES. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS ACCURATE, AND, UH, YEAH, AND AGAIN, IT'S. KIND OF A LEGAL THING THAT MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT EXEMPTION, YOU KNOW, APPLIES THERE WHEN YOU ALL HEAR ABOUT AND YOU ALL WILL HEAR ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR OTHER IMPACT THESE TO BE DISCUSSED AND LOOKED AT AND SO ON. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT STATUTE MORE IN DEPTH BECAUSE WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES OF THIS SORT ARE THE ONLY TYPE THAT ARE EXEMPTED. ALL THE REST OF THEM HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THERE. CORRECT AND SO WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON IS NOT THE AMOUNT OF THESE FEES TONIGHT, BUT THAT WE MAKE THIS CHANGE AND ADOPT THIS REGULATION AND THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE SECOND PART YOU ASKED ABOUT. WHAT WHAT STAFF IS ASKING YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON TONIGHT TO RECOMMEND IS THE IS TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL THE ENTIRE PACKAGE OF WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, AND THAT IS CHANGING EVERYTHING WITHIN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT THAT THAT MAKES THOSE CHANGES KIND OF JUST THIS LEGAL WORDING CHANGES BUT THEN ALSO VERY IMPORTANTLY, CHANGING THE TABLE THAT'S AT THE VERY END, WHERE WHICH ARE THE AMOUNTS OF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL CONNECTION FEES. AND WHAT IS WHAT IS IN THERE FROM STAFF. IS IS THE AMOUNT THAT FROM OUR INITIAL DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL WHERE THEY INDICATED TO US WHERE THEY WANTED TO GO, WE DID NOT WANT TO HIDE THE BALL FROM P C A B AND HAVE YOU ALL LOOKING AT IT BLIND WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE THE ULTIMATE POLICYMAKERS THE COUNCIL WERE LOOKING AT IT? YOU COULD MAKE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION. BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO HIDE THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU. THAT IS, THAT'S THE INITIAL DIRECTION THEY GAVE US AND SO STAFF TOGETHER THAT WAY.
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THE AVERAGE FOR THESE TYPES OF IMPACT FEES WHERE THEY'VE BEEN ADJUSTED RECENTLY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR AREAS OF OUR SIZE IS ABOUT 5800. UM THAT I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW OF. OF COURSE, WE NEED THE 8200. WE NEED THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT EXPENDITURES COMING UP. HOWEVER 8200 COULD DRIVE AWAY PERSPECTIVE. BUILDERS SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD CONSIDERING GOING WITH THE AVERAGE OF OTHER UTILITIES FOR WASTE WATER AND WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AROUND THE 5,812,000 MARK. FOR US TO CONSIDER SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. THANK YOU, UM VICE CHAIR. I LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION, SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE RECOMMENDED THE FROM THE STUDY IS 8200, BUT UM, I WANT TO CLARIFY. THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT IS IT NOT THE $5031. THAT'S CORRECT AND LET ME LET ME GO AHEAD AND THROW THAT THROW THIS UP ON THE BECAUSE IT'S JUST SHOW YOU THE AGENDA ITEM HERE, TOO. IF I MAY THE REASON THE AMOUNT DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS SO IMPORTANT FOR US WAS THAT
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WE COULDN'T CRAFT THE ORDINANCE. TO COME TO THEM FOR THOSE 1ST AND 2ND READING IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THERE, SO THAT'S WHY WE REALLY GOT THEM TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WERE COMFORT COMFORT ZONE WAS, AND THAT'S WHY THEY SAID WELL IN 18 MONTHS, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO REVISIT IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE. YOU KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO AND WE KNEW THAT POSSIBILITY OF GETTING THESE ADDITIONAL FUNDS. AND I'M DOING MY BEST TO THANK YOU. ZOOM IT IN HERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT? YES AS A AS I MENTIONED WHEN THEY WHEN THEY WERE DISCUSSING IT ON, GOING BACK AND FORTH A GREAT DEAL. WHERE THEY ALL LANDED WAS MODELING THE AMOUNT THAT CITY OF STEWART CHARGES FOR THEIR, UM, THEIR UH, OUT OF OUT OF JURISDICTION. COST SO YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON THERE THE EXISTING FEE FROM WATER 6 620 GOING UP TO A LITTLE OVER 2400. 5 80 GOING UP A LITTLE OVER 2600 WITH WITH THAT SOME. THEY'RE BEING A LITTLE BIT OVER 5000 AGAIN THAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO P. C. A B TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL. YOU ALL CAN RECOMMEND SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF IT IS YOUR WILL, BUT THAT THAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WHEN YOU SAID EXCUSE ME, UM GO AHEAD, REMEMBER? PRESSEL. I JUST WANT TO THROW THE SINGLE REAL QUICK. SO WHEN YOU SAID THE RECOMMEND THE ENTIRE PACKAGE, THE ENTIRE PACKAGE WOULD BE THE, UM THE, UM THIS RIGHT HERE? YES OKAY. YEAH AND THE LANGUAGE CHANGES IN THE ATTACHED ORDINANCE, WHICH THESE NUMBERS ARE IN THAT ORDINANCE AT THE VERY END. OKAY? I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. UM I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I WAS AT THAT MEETING AND I HEARD VERY LITTLE DISCUSSION. SO I DIDN'T HEAR ANY REASONING WHY THEY WERE PICKING THE NUMBER IN THE MIDDLE. UM AND IN FACT, THAT'S $3000 LESS THAN WHAT THE ANALYSIS WHAT THE, UM CONSULTANT RECOMMENDS. UM DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, YOU SAID THE RIVER OAK PROJECT WOULD COME IN UNDER THE AT THE $1200 LEVEL AND THE ONE A AND ONE B OF TERRA LAGO WOULD COME UNDER. YOU KNOW THE $1200 BARGAIN. CONNECTION, RIGHT? IT WOULD COME UNDER THE CURRENT ONE. RIGHT SO THAT'S 650 HOMES WE HAVE COMING IN. AT THE CURRENT LEVEL OF $1200, THE BARGAIN BASEMENT OF $1200. AH! YOU KNOW IF. I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE CAST THE VILLAGE. MORE THAN THAT, TO MAKE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. UM IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOSING MONEY ON THOSE 650 HOMES. A LOT OF MONEY. IS THAT RIGHT? MY FOLLOWING THAT. THAT'S THE SITUATION. HMM. LOSING MONEY IS SOUND PEDANTIC IT LOSING MONEY AS A HIGH LEVEL VALUE. JUDGMENT COST US $1200 IS A VERY, VERY, VERY LOW CONNECTION FEE. THERE'S NOBODY LOWER THAN US, YOU KNOW, ON THE CHART HERE. WE'RE AT THE VERY BOTTOM. EVEN EVEN OKEECHOBEE IS HIGHER THAN WE ARE. I SEEM TO RECALL A AGAIN THIS IS COMPARING APPLES AND LAWN CHAIRS. I BELIEVE MITT, I SEEM TO RECALL THAT THAT, UM OUR CURRENT IMPACT FEES ARE ACTUALLY WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT.
THESE MAY ACTUALLY BE HIGHER THAN WHAT INDIAN TOWN COMPANIES WERE WHICH WERE VERY LOW. I MAY BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT THEY WERE THEY WERE LOW. UM SO IT IS. IT'S NOT A SITUATION AS IF WE HAD HAD HIGH IMPACT FEES, LOWERED THEM FOR PARTICULAR DEVELOPERS AND THEN RAISE THEM UP AGAIN. THIS THESE ARE THE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE IN PLACE. AND THEN THE ABSENCE OF ACTION BY THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. THERE WILL BE THE IMPACT FEES THAT REMAIN IN PLACE , SO I COULDN'T SPEAK TO A CHARACTERIZATION OF LOSING MONEY . 650 HOMES IS GOING TO BE QUITE AN IMPACT. UM. AND WHEN WE HAVE EXTENSIVE GROWTH, EXTENSIVE NEW GROWTH COMING UM. I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD JUST BE SO LIGHTLY AND DISMISSED THE 23 PAGE REPORT. AND NOW ALICE IS THAT THEY PREPARED WITHOUT
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REASONING AND WITHOUT FACTS BEHIND IT. WHICH I I'M NOT HEARING PRESENTED.HELLO MICHAEL. DOUGIE HERE AGAIN . I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S SEVERAL CLIENTS RECENTLY.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING CAPITAL CONNECTION T STUDIES WITH IT IS, UM. KIND OF SPECIFIC TO EACH SYSTEM, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY , UM, UNCOMMON FOR THE FEES TO BE LOWER NECESSARILY THAN THE RECOMMENDED ONE LIKE, UM, MR ROSS WAS SAYING EARLIER THAT THAT THAT WE ARE THIS IS THE CAP THAT WE ARE CALCULATING. UM, BUT UM, IT COULD BE ADJUSTED. BUT THEN AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S TYPICALLY IT'S UM IT'S SPECIFICALLY THE NATURE OF THE SYSTEM. MR WATSON. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS ONE. IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL METER FIQH METER CONNECTION FEE? OR IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS IMPACT? THIS IS PART OF THE METER IS INCLUDED IN THIS FREE THAT THAT ANSWERS QUESTION NUMBER ONE. LET'S NOT FORGET WE TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, GET. YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD LANGUAGE OF DEVELOPERS GETTING A CHEAP DEAL TO DEVELOPERS. THE ONE WHO HELPED BRING IN ALL THIS MONEY, MR KELLUM AND MR KEVIN POWERS THAT WENT OUT AND LOBBIED THE STATE AND BROUGHT HOME ALMOST $38 MILLION FOR OUR WATER AND SEWER COMPANY. THAT'S NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT. SO LIKE I SAID, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING.
UNIONTOWN IS GONNA TO ALLOW US TO IMPROVE OUR WASTEWATER. AND WATER SYSTEM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A GODSEND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE DEVELOPMENT. UH, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. I BELIEVE ONCE AGAIN. I'LL TALK ABOUT THE WEIGHT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE WITH THE COST OF HOUSING AND INDIAN TOWN. IN AND LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SOMEONE IN INDIAN TOWN TRYING TO PURCHASE A HOME. SOMEONE IN INDIAN TOWN TRYING TO PURCHASE A HOME. THE REASON THEY WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE ITERATIONS WITH IMPACT FEES BECAUSE IMPACT FEES IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN USED AS A WEAPON TO STOP DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S WHY WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO JUSTIFY THESE NUMBERS AND THERE AND WE HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME, SO IT IS. IT'S LEFT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE TOWN COUNCIL DETERMINE WHAT THE FINAL NUMBER IS, AND I HOPE THEY LOOK AT THIS NUMBER 5100 THAT THEY HAD. COME TO PREVIOUSLY AND NOW LOOK AT IT AND SAY OKAY, WE GOT ANOTHER $20 MILLION THAT CAME THROUGH THE DOOR AND MORE IN THIS. IT'S LIKELY WE'LL GET MORE. AND NOW I CAN'T COUNT ON BLUE SKY, BUT IT'S LIKELY THAT WE'LL GET MORE AND, UH AND LET'S DO WHAT WE PROMISED. THE PEOPLE WHEN WE INCORPORATED WAS TO BRING AFFORDABILITY TO THE HOUSE ONE BE ALLOWED TO EVEN BUILD A HOME IN MARTIN COUNTY, WHICH WAS DIFFICULT. THE REASON WE WANT TO GET AWAY FROM MARTIN COUNTY. WELL SO THAT WE COULD BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE JUST TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND I'LL END IT THERE. THANK YOU, MR WATSON, MISS AND SINKER LIKE TO REITERATE AND CLARIFY HERE THAT UM AS. MY KIDS SAID THAT THAT WAS THERE. CAT. THEY LOOKED AT IT AS OKAY. EVERYTHING IDEALLY, BOY, IF YOU COULD GET THIS, YOU COULD JUSTIFY IT. BASICALLY WHAT THAT REPORT IS, IT'S JUSTIFYING. UNDER THESE TWO RULES THAT THEY MUST JUSTIFY IT UNDER THE NEXT, SAYS OUR ATTORNEY HAS POINTED OUT. THEY'VE JUSTIFIED AS CHARGING UP TO 8200. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD YEAH. ALL THE COMMUNITIES AROUND US ARE GOING TO LOOK MUCH MORE DESIRABLE. WITH A $3000 IMPACT FEED DISCOUNT. WE NEED TO BE DESIRABLE TO BUILDERS. WE NEED TO BE DESIRABLE TO DEVELOPMENT AND THESE IMPACT FEES ARE NOT OUTRAGEOUS FOR SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO COME IN AND DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND $8000 IMPACT THE IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A LOT MORE MONEY THAN FIVE. SO THIS IS WHAT THE WHAT? THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE APPROVE. IT IS VERY REASONABLE. IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN THE AVERAGE FOR CITIES ARE SIZE. BUT BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING SOME OTHER FUNDING. WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK AND MAKE IT WORK FOR OUR YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THIS TONIGHT SO THAT THAT THE BOARD CAN GET THIS ENACTED BEFORE ANYMORE. DEVELOPERS WANT TO FILE THEIR APPLICATIONS, SO WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD THIS NOT BEING CONCERNED WITH WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED AND WHY IT'S BEEN SITTING AT $1200.
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THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT. WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT IS MOVING FORWARD, AND I SAY THAT WE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE VOTE NOW TO APPROVE IT, AS IS SECOND ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I GUESS I'LL COMMENT . OKAY I WOULD SAY AGAIN THAT THE CULT CONSULTANT DID AN IN DEPTH REVIEW, AND I DON'T THINK THEY LIGHTLY PROPOSED THE FEE THAT THEY DID. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO GO DOWN IF MONEY SHOULD COME IN. UM YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES THAT'S HARDER TO GO UP. UM BUT I DISAGREE WITH, UM, ARBITRARILY, JUST PICKING A LOW NUMBER TO SOUND GOOD. AH, WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION. OKAY THANK YOU. MISS PRESTON. MISSAN SINGER. I'M SORRY. I'M GETTING TIRED. SO, UM JUST. WE REITERATE AND TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR. WE ARE X. TWO.APPROVED APPROVE THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WHICH IS 8200 OR 55,000 . YEAH THE MOTION THAT THE MOTION THAT IS ON THE FLOOR. IS TO APPROVE. UH APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION OF VILLAGE COUNCIL OF THE ORDINANCES BEFORE YOU BUT THE NUMBERS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS IS A TOTAL PROPOSED THE OF THAT $5031 THE 8200. OKAY I ENTERTAIN THE MOTION ALREADY MADE IT MOTION SECOND. OKAY LET ME JUST SAY THIS. P. I WANT US TO I WANT US TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE DO ANY MOTIONS OR WHATEVER. LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS DONE BECAUSE WHEN YOU MADE THAT AND WHEN YOU SECONDED MR PRESSLER'S STILL HAS SOME COMMENTS. SO I JUST WANT US TO JUST BE JUST BE MINDFUL. WELL MHM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WAY, BUT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE A MOTION IN THE SECOND HALF DISCUSSION THAT'S NORMALLY HOW IT'S DONE. SO IT MIGHT NOT CORRECT. MADAM CHAIR I WOULD OFFER AND YOUR PRACTICE HAS BEEN WHEN YOU'VE GOT A PRESENTATION HAVE HAVE QUESTIONS, WHICH OFTEN TURNS INTO DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW TO IT AND SO ON. BUT IT PROCEDURALLY IT WOULD BE IN ORDER. YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS OF THAT TO MAKE A MOTION EVEN IF DISCUSSIONS NOT DONE, AND THEN DISCUSSION TURNS TO BE DIRECTED TO THE MOTION. AND SO IT BASICALLY BECOMES, THAT'S THAT'S PRECISELY THE THING YOU WOULD DISCUSS FURTHER, SO IT IT. UM IT WOULD NOT BE OUT OF ORDER. UH FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION IN THAT CONTEXT, OKAY. ALRIGHT SO WAIT, NOT WEIGHED. UM IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN MOVED BY, UM, MISS ON SACRE AND MR AND SECOND BY MR WATSON. THAT WE APPROVE. THIS, UM THE ENTIRETY OF THIS PACKAGE. SURE OKAY. REMEMBER PRESTA. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT'S TO APPROVE $5000 CONNECTION 5000. 31 $31 CONNECTION IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES, MA'AM. NO. FOUR MEMBERS TO HIKE. YES. FIRST CHAIR. MILEY YES. CHAIR PALMER. RUSSIAN PASTORS. OKAY? ALL RIGHT
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]NOW WE'RE AT THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. MICHAEL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND PAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD EVENING, ONCE AGAIN TO JEFFERSON AND JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY GO OVER THE RECENT DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY CHART THAT IS IN YOUR BACKUP FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WANTED TO MENTION THAT TO PRE APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED BOTH OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SITE PLAN REQUEST, MEANING? THAT IT'S APPROVED AT THE DIRECTOR'S LEVEL, AS OPPOSED TO COMING TO THE BOARD. WE'RE ANTICIPATING OFFICIALS SUBMIT ALS FROM SEMINAL CROSSINGS, WHICH IS THE 24 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING SITE PLAN. AND KENDALL INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS A 24,000 SQUARE FOOT MANUFACTURING. IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA, WHICH IS CALLED VENTURE PARK. IT'S OUT NEAR GREEN CARBON , WHICH YOU APPROVED ONE OF YOUR FIRST APPROVALS. OUT WEST OF, UM . BOX BROWN AND WAR FIELD. SO I[01:35:01]
WANTED TO MAKE THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS TO YOU. YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE APPLICATIONS THAT WILL BE COMING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. INCLUDING. POSSIBLY A. GRIND HARD. YOU ALREADY SAW THAT ONE. I'M SORRY. THE DELICATESSEN STORE AND GAS STATION, MAYBE COMING FORTH RELATIVELY SOON. THEY JUST RESUBMITTED. AND WITH REGARD TO THE ATTENDANCE REPORT LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH. I NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE CLERK. ABOUT THE REAPPOINTMENTS. I BELIEVE THAT THE ELIGIBLE REAPPOINTMENTS ON THIS REPORT MAY BE INACCURATE.SO I'LL REPORT TO YOU ON THAT AGAIN NEXT MONTH. THAT THAT'S ALL AHEAD. HAVE A QUESTION. MHM GO AHEAD. I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THESE COMING UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS MEAN THEY WON'T BECOME THIS. BEFORE THIS BOARD, THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF WILL MAKE A DECISION ON THOSE PROJECTS. BUT ON THE PRE APPLICATION OR APPLICATION MEETINGS, THERE'S A FORMAL MEETING. I ASSUME THAT TAKES PLACE IS THAT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC MEANING SOME WILL BE ABLE TO COME IN AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO SIT DOWN AND LISTEN, NOT PARTICIPATE, BUT LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION. SURE SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE WHERE IT'S PHRASED IN THE L. D. R S IS THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COLLEAGUES THE WAY THAT MEETING IS STRUCTURED WITHIN THE L D. R S ALRIGHT IT IS SET UP SUCH THAT THEY ARE NOT ENGAGING IN WHAT'S CALLED COLLEGIAL DECISION MAKING. THEY'RE NOT VOTING. THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SAY 34 AND TWO AGAINST DEPARTMENT HEADS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR SCORING OR ANYTHING. SO THAT MEETING IS STRUCTURED IN SUCH A MATTER SO THAT IT DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE SUBJECT TO THE SUNSHINE LAW. THAT IS, THAT'S CURRENTLY HOW IT IS, UM, IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN APPLICANT DEVELOPER TO MEET WITH THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND EACH DEPARTMENT HAD TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK. ALRIGHT, SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STAFF MEETING WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEAD BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENT HEADS THERE AND THEY GO THROUGH AND PROVIDE THAT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC UNLESS THE STAFF WAS WILLING TO ENTERTAINED A THIRD PARTY BEING PRESENT AND YET TYPICALLY THE TYPICALLY THE WAY WE'VE DEALT WITH. YEAH TYPICALLY, THE WAY WE'VE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST IS WE SAID IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO BRING SOMEBODY IN, HEY, IT'S YOU KNOW THEIR SHOW, SO IF AN APPLICANT ONE TO BRING SOMEONE IN THE APPLICANT COULD BRING SOMEONE IN, OKAY? OKAY ONE THING I WILL . YOU FINISHED, MR WONG? YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY, UM MR WATSON ALLUDED TO IT. UM AND WE TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO WHEN WE'RE BRINGING DEVELOPERS AND I REALLY HOPE THAT THEY WOULD BE TRUE FOR TERRA LAGO WAS NOT TRUTHFUL ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ONE THING WAS SAID IN ANOTHER THING WAS DONE. YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE HEARD SOME SOMEBODY ELSE COME UP HERE AND THEY FLAT OUT SAID THIS THIS YOU KNOW THIS SINGLE HOMES AND ALL THAT THIS IS ALL RENTAL PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT WE WANT TO UPSCALE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO. UM WE WANTED TO DO DEVELOPMENT. I GET THAT. BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS GENTRIFICATION. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT WE HAVE A BUNCH OF HOMELESS PEOPLE HERE. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE ARE DEAD CANNOT AFFORD WHAT'S GOING ON.
THERE'S NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE. PARENTS ARE TAKING THEIR KIDS BACK IN. MOTHER IN LAWS ARE MOVING BACK HOME BECAUSE THERE WAS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO MOVING FORWARD. I REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO REALLY WHEN THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING NOT TO PUT OUT THE CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE THE BIO ALL THE PROPERTY JUST SO THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT OR THEY CAN MAKE INDIAN TALENT LOOKED LIKE WHAT THEY WANTED TO LOOK LIKE. AND I, AND THAT'S YOU KNOW MY CONCERN THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD . I DON'T CARE WHO BRING MONEY IN WHO TAKE AND I DON'T CARE.
WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE PEOPLE HERE BEING ABLE TO LIVE HERE. AND ALSO I WANTED TO SAY THIS YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM DELICATE TESTING AND ANOTHER GAS STATION . I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN GET ANOTHER GROCERY STORE HERE. HMM IT'S COMING. OKAY THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES UM, I THINK WHO HAD IT UP FIRST? OKAY GO AHEAD, MR WATSON. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AGAIN, AND THIS REALLY STEMS BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE BIG PICTURE AND YOU HAVE TO DESCRIBE IN THAT BIG PICTURE. WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE AND THAT WAS MISSED, COMPLETELY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE DIDN'T ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND OF COURSE, IF IT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE L. D. R S. AND FOR EXAMPLE, THESE IMPACT FEES CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WAY, BUT THE TOWN COUNCIL CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO WAVE IMPACT FEES FOR A WEEK BREAK WITH WE CREATE A
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DEFINITION BEFORE THE HOUSING THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO WAIVE IMPACT FEES. I BELIEVE IF I'M IN MY CORRECT SO THEY CAN WAIVE THOSE IMPACT FEES, NOT JUST FOR WATER AND SEWER BEFORE OTHER THINGS AS WELL TO BRING THE COST OF THAT UNIT DOWN. SO WE NEED TO DEVELOP IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. CALL IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. INDIAN TOWN HOUSING FOR THE CITIZENS OF ANY TOWN. WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, BUT WE NEED TO BRING THE COST OF THAT CONSTRUCTION DOWN SO THAT THAT PERSON CAN AFFORD IT. AND THIS IS WHAT I GET WORRIED ABOUT. WHEN I SEE WE'RE DOING ALL THESE THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE MONEY. FIND AND DANDY, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING, WE'VE GOT TO BRING THE COST OF THAT CONSTRUCTION DOWN. BUT THAT STARTS WITH REVISITING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PUTTING THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ELEMENT IN THERE AND THEN THEN THEN STRUCTURING RL DRS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO START AND THAT'S THIS IS GREAT. WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT ALL LEVELS HERE IN ANY TOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. MADAM CHAIR IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST TO ADD ON TO WHAT SCOTT SAID JUST FOR YOUR EDUCATION BECAUSE YOU ALL WILL BE LEARNING ALL ABOUT IMPACT BASE THESE YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR YEAR AND A HALF AND SO ON. UH SCOTT'S EXACTLY RIGHT NOW, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW UM. ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL THINGS ABOUT IMPACT VISAS GENERALLY, ONCE YOU IMPOSE AN IMPACT THE YOU CANNOT IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR IMPACT THE SYSTEM YOU CAN'T SAY. OH, I REALLY LIKE YOU DEVELOPER. SO I'M GOING TO WAIVE YOUR IMPACT FEES, BUT I DON'T LIKE YOU. I'M NOT GOING TO WAIVE YOUR IMPACT THESE IT'S A GREAT WAY TO BLOW UP YOUR WHOLE IMPACT FEE SYSTEM. HOWEVER. THE LEGISLATURE. DID EXACTLY WHAT SCOTT JUST SAID. THE LEGISLATURE PUT A PROVISION THAT SAID, NO SAY, IN FACT, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM YOU CAN'T SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE GENERAL RULE THAT YOU CAN'T BASICALLY CHOOSE WINNERS AND LOSERS, YOU KNOW, WITH IMPACT PHASE SO THAT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ADDRESS MORE OF , YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND SO ON. THAT'S ONE OF THE MANY TOOLS THAT IS AVAILABLE. IF I MIGHT ALSO WANT TO ADD, AND I CAN SEND IT TO THE BOARD TOMORROW. WE DO HAVE SOME PROVISIONS AND OUR CODE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY IMPACT VISA IN THE VILLAGE. WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE MARTIN COUNTY SPEEDS, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME PROVISIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. EXPEDITED REVIEWS, UH, DISCOUNTS ON APPLICATIONS AND DENSITY BONUSES AND SUCH WILL SEND THOSE TO YOU VIA EMAIL. OKAY THANK YOU. MISS AN SINGER. I WAS JUST CURIOUS WERE OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY WANTS PEOPLE DON'T HAVE GOOD HOUSING. IT'S YOU KNOW, THE GOAL OF THE WORLD IS FOR EVERYBODY TO BE SECURE IN THEIR HOME. THE QUESTION IS, DOES INDIAN TOWN OWNED LAND SOMEWHERE? THERE'S INDIAN TOWN, THE VILLAGE ITSELF OWNED LAND WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN BE BUILT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL A PERSON WHO OWNS 10 20 ACRES, WHAT THEY HAVE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY FOR AND UNFORTUNATELY BUILDING COSTS HAVE SKYROCKETED. YOU YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THEM TERRA LAGO COMING IN MANY YEARS AGO AND STATING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOWEVER, SINCE 2020. HOUSING COSTS. HAVE GONE UP 40. TO BUILD . IT ISN'T THAT THEY'RE DISHONEST. IT'S THAT THEY LITERALLY CAN'T PRODUCE WHAT THEY WANTED TO PRODUCE FOR THE SAME PRICE OR COST AND THANK GOODNESS THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE HONESTLY, TAX REVENUE WILL ALLOW FOR POTENTIALLY SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE WHERE INDIAN TOWN BUYS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND BUILDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT YOU IF YOU OWN 30 ACRES IN INDIAN TOWN.OUR BOARD CAN'T COME AND SAY YOU HAVE TO SELL IT FOR 10,000 ACRES OF WHAT I SAID NO, NO, NO. I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU. I'M JUST EXPLAINING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY. THERE'S NO WAY TO CONTROL THE COSTS SO THAT SOMEONE CAN BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF THE MARKET BEARS OF VERY HIGH. RATE FOR LAND PER ACRE. IT'S JUST IT'S LITERALLY A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
IF INDIAN TOWN REALLY WANTS TO WORK IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT INTO OUR BUDGET TO PURCHASE LAND FOR THAT PURPOSE RATHER THAN FOR A BIG BUILDING. WE DON'T NEED FOR ALL OF US TO MEET IN. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE SPENT. THAT $1.8 MILLION ON YES TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY BIG ENOUGH WHERE WE CAN DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THEN WE CAN CONTROL WHO COMES IN. WE CAN BUY THE GET THE BUILDERS IN AND GENERAL CONTRACT. BUT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOMETHING INDIAN TOWN AS A VILLAGE DOES FOR THE VILLAGE BECAUSE NO INDIVIDUAL IT'S GONNA THROW THEIR PROFIT AWAY TO SUPPORT INDIAN TOWN. SO IF THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US, THEN WE NEED TO
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LOOK AT WHERE WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET TO PURCHASE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND DEVELOP. AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND INDIAN TOWN. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I EVEN AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT IF YOU STAND BEFORE PEOPLE AND SAY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN YOU SHOULD I DON'T CARE WHAT THE COST IS OR WHATEVER IF YOU STAY SAID IT AS A DEVELOPER. YOU NEED TO OWN YOUR WORD, AND I AND I GET THAT WE NEED TO HAVE PROPERTY DISTANT AND THE OTHER BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THIS. IF YOU SAID IT, YOU SHOULD OWN IT. AND DON'T COME BACK BEFORE THE PEOPLE AND SWITCH OUT AND MAKE ALL KINDS OF CHANGES IN AND, UM EXCUSES. IF I'D SAY I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOMETHING WHERE THEY HURT ME TO GIVE YOU IT TO YOU OR NOT. I'M GIVING IT TO YOU BECAUSE MY WORD IS MY BOND. I HAVE NO TRUST IN IN ANY DEVELOPER THAT MAKES A STATEMENT AND THEN BACKDOOR OUT . I DON'T HAVE. I DON'T HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THAT PERSON. BECAUSE IF YOU LIE NOW YOU'LL CONTINUE TO LIE. FORTUNATELY WE CAN'T GO BACKWARDS. BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE CONCERNED IN INDIAN TOWN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVISION WILL NEED TO BE MADE TO PURCHASE PROPERTY NOW BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING UP. AND. DEVELOPMENT AGAIN , SO KNOW THAT MR WATSON WOULD DO PIGGYBACKING ON THAT NOTE. WE HAVE AN INSTITUTION HERE IN INDIAN TOWN THAT DEVELOPED YOU KNOW ANY TOWN NONPROFIT HOUSING STILL EXISTS, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO MELT, MELT INTO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, AND THEY DO OWN SOME LAND RIGHT NOW. THAT WOULD BE BUT, UH, I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST INDIAN TOWN GETTING IN THE HOUSING BUSINESS. BECAUSE THEN I WOULD SAY THIS BECAUSE I USED TO WORK DO WORK FOR HUD BELIEVE OR NOT WAY BACK A LONG TIME AGO, AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE FOR WHICH YOU WILL KEEP THROWING MONEY AND NEVER GET IT OUT. THAT'S IT. BUT LET ME LET ME DO THIS. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY GOING FORWARD TO ANNEX PROPERTIES. TO ANNEX STUFF INTO THIS VILLAGE. IF YOU TAKE WEST FARMS ROAD AND YOU GO OUT ABOUT A MILE, IT'S INDIAN TOWN.THEN IT'S MARTIN, UNINCORPORATED MARTIN COUNTY. WE CAN ANNEX PROPERTIES IN TO THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN WITH THE OWNERS COOPERATION AND YOU MAY GET A COOPERATION. TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DENSITY INCREASES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, TINY HOME CONCEPTS. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS. IT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER TOOLS OTHER THAN PURCHASING LAND AND DOING IT OURSELVES. I WOULD JUST I WOULD WARN YOU AGAINST THAT, UH, WE HAVE INSTITUTIONS ALREADY THAT EXIST ANY TOWN, NONPROFIT HOUSING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES USING THE TOOLS WE HAVE WITHOUT GETTING INVOLVED IN THE OURSELVES TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THANK YOU MOTIVE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE TO ADJOURN? OKAY? THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE AND ENERGY BID YOU ALL GOODNIGHT
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.