Oct 13, 2022 Regular Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF OCTOBER. THE 13TH 2022. MADAM COURT. CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL? MARY GIBBS. THOMAS HERE.

FIRESTONE HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HERNANDEZ HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER DIPAOLO COUNCIL MEMBER PEREZ.

HAIR. AND JUST A FEW HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS JUST TO REVIEW UH HUH. EXITS OR TO THE LEFT AND TO YOUR RIGHT RESTROOMS ARE TO YOUR LEFT IN THE BACK. ALSO CELL PHONES. IF YOU COULD PLEASE TURN THEM OFF OR ON VIBRATE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IF WE HAVE A OFFICIAL, YOU PAY A DOLLAR. WHAT WE MAY NEED TO START THAT, THOUGH. UM ALSO LIKE EVERYONE TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO READ AND REVIEW THE CIVILITY STATEMENT AT THE VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA. IN PART, IT'S STATES CIVILITY IS STATING YOUR OPINIONS AND BELIEFS WITHOUT DEGRADING SOMEONE ELSE IN THE PROCESS AND CIVILITY IS PRACTICED AT ALL VILLAGE MEETINGS. THIS APPLIES TO COMMENTS MADE AT THE PODIUM FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE DIET FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. NOT ADHERING TO THESE GUIDELINES CAN BE REASON TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE OR BE ESCORTED OUT. ALSO THE SPONTANEOUS OUTBURSTS ARE NOT IN LINE WITH CONDUCTING A BUSINESS MEETING. SO THIS IS NOT THEATER . SO IF WE COULD JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AND KEEP THOSE TO A MINIMUM EVERYONE'S UNDERSTANDING COOPERATION IS APPRECIATED. THIS EVENING. THE INVOCATION WILL BE, UM WILL BE DONE BY REVEREND TONY'S WINER. IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE THREE NOW. PRAISE FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER HERE. WE ASKED LORD PEOPLE YOUR PRESENCE HERE WITH US. WE ASK FOR YOUR HOLY SPIRIT TO BE AMONG US. SCIENTISTS. THE GREATEST WISDOM GRANT US. NO. MY PLEASURE LEGIONS. ALRIGHT SANDS , ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MISS OWENS. IS THERE ANY

[ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, PULLED ITEMS OR OTHER MODIFICATIONS]

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Presentation of Plaque to Vice Mayor Guyton Stone for His Service on the Martin County Business Development Board

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APPROPRIATE BECAUSE. WE'RE PLAYING TO THE ORDER. BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS COMMISSIONER JENKINS. PRESSURE. THANK YOU AGAIN THE COMMITMENT OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO BRING DOWN JUST SO AWESOME THAT WE THINK, OKAY. THANK YOU, BABY.

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Presentation of Certificate of Appreciation to the Indianwood Community

AND WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION. THE VILLAGE COUNCIL OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN HEREBY WISHES TO EXPRESS ITS SINCERE APPRECIATION TO THE INDIAN WOULD COMMUNITY FOR THE GRACIOUS ALLOWANCE OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY DURING THE CLOSURE OF ALLAH PATA ROAD. AND I AND I HAVE TO LET ME JUST KIND OF ADD A PERSONAL NOTE. IT IS. IT WAS, UM VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY MANY PEOPLE FOR ALLOWING TO DO THAT, BECAUSE IT'S SAVED LITERALLY HOURS. OF TIME. IT REALLY DID. SO WE APPRECIATE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION BEING ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER. I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE WAS NEVER ANY DOUBT THAT WE WOULD LET PEOPLE THROUGH. IT WAS A LITTLE PROBLEM SORTING OUT THE TRACTOR TRAILERS AT THIS FIRST START, BUT AFTER THAT WE'RE WENT PRETTY SMOOTHLY. BUT WE'RE GLAD TO HELP AND IT WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP OUR ROADS COMMUNITY DESTROYED. SO AND I GOTTA SAY IT WAS THE ANY WOULD COMMUNITY BECAUSE I WAS IN VERMONT. I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH IT WAS TALKING VIA PHONE WITH OUR PARK MANAGER AT THE TIME, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY PERSONALLY HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH IT. BUT WE WANTED TO LET THE TRUCK OR THE CARS THROUGH TO KEEP THE TRUCKS OUT. BUT IT ALL WORKED OUT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP. SO THANK YOU. LET'S GET A PICTURE IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND.

[3.  

Introduction of New Village of Indiantown Employees 

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[4.  

Community and Economic Development Department Quarterly Report

NEXT SLIDE. FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE TO YOU THAT WE DID AS

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TO THE WEBSITE, AND WE DO HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH MS GOODRICH AND HER STAFF. AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO ESTABLISHING BI MONTHLY CHAMBER MEETINGS. WE'VE HAD THEM SCHEDULED A COUPLE OF TIMES AND JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PULL THOSE OFF. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR GRANTS AND FUNDING FOR FACADE IMPROVEMENTS TO GIVE US A BETTER UH, CURB APPEAL FROM 7 10 NEXT SLIDE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HAPPENING SO EFFORTS AND CED. YOU DEFINITELY SOUND BUSY. WE ARE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. NOW WE COME TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF

[PUBLIC COMMENT (3 MINUTES EACH)]

EVEN IF IT'S A FORMAL EXCUSE. BUT IN SOME FASHION, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IF IT ISN'T ADDRESSED, IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO ON AND IT WILL GROW. OKAY ENOUGH SAID ON THAT, UH, THE OTHER SUBJECT IS WHAT I SPOKE ABOUT ONE MONTH AGO ABOUT THE OUTBURST AGAIN. A COUNCIL PERSON

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SO THERE WAS AN OUTBURST. I SPOKE ABOUT IT. NOTHING WAS DONE WITH THAT. I'M AWARE OF, HOWEVER , WHO KNEW THAT WITHIN MINUTES. IT WOULD HAPPEN AGAIN, THIS TIME BY ANOTHER COUNCIL PERSON AND WHEN ADDRESSED AND TOLD IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE AND UNPROFESSIONAL TO CONTINUED ON. THEY DID STOP FINALLY, BUT GUESS WHAT HAD HAPPENED. THESE OUTBURSTS OF ANGER. THE BACK BITING THE SNIPING. THE TOOK THE THEATRICAL DISPLAY OF TEARS IS EMBARRASSING TO US AS A COMMUNITY. IT NEEDS TO STOP, PLEASE. OKAY THESE ARE YOUR POLICIES. ARE YOU GOING TO ACT ON THEM OR NOT? I'M ASKING.

IS THIS COUNCIL GOING TO ACT ON YOUR OWN POLICIES OR NOT? IF NOT, WHY IF YES, HOUSEHOLD, PLEASE. OKAY. REMEMBER THIS? PLEASE. IF WE CAN'T TRUST YOU ON THE SMALL POLICIES OF THE LITTLE THINGS, THE MINOR INFRACTIONS HOW ARE WE GOING TO TRUST YOU WITH A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS? YOU GOT TO BUILD THE FOUNDATION. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. NEXT PAPERS. CHAD BERNICE, FOLLOWED BY BARBARA CLAUDIUS. NEVER CHECK BRITISH WITH THE RECORD AND I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT ANTHONY'S WINNER JUST SAID THE PAST TWO MEETINGS. IT WAS AN EMBARRASSMENT. IT, YOU STATE IN YOUR AGENDA, THE CIVILITY YOU ALL NEED TO READ THIS AND PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. DO BETTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS BARBARA CLAUDIUS. FOLLOWED BY PHYLLIS BROWN. WELCOME. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BARBARA CLOUDLESS. I'M AN INDIAN TOWN RESIDENT. AND I'D LIKE TO TALK A MINUTE ABOUT THE UPCOMING STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION. IT'S SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 22ND BEFORE YOUR NEXT FORMAL MEETING. UM, THE ESTIMATED COST $5300. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HAS BEEN SPENT OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS BECAUSE. OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO FINANCIAL RECORDS PRIOR TO JULY, 1ST 2020L VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS. IS THAT TEAM BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT WORKSHOP. IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THIS IS WE'VE WATCHED THE COUNCIL IGNORE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS DURING THESE STRATEGIC SESSIONS. THEY HAVE NO INPUT. THEY HAVE NO VOICE BECAUSE THE OTHERS MOVE ON. I DON'T WANT TO SEE A LOT OF WASTED MONEY AND A LOT OF WASTED ENERGY. I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME THAT ARE GOING TO FIGHT FOR THIS THAT IT'S IMPERATIVE. BUT WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS FROM THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS? I KNOW THAT A VILLAGE HALL PLAN CAME OUT OF THOSE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS. I CAN'T REALLY SAY WHAT ELSE HAS HAPPENED. HOWEVER. WHEN THIS COUNCIL WAS ELECTED THE FIRST TIME ONE OF THEIR PRIORITIES WAS TO CREATE CITIZEN BASED COMMITTEES. AND THE ENTHUSIASM WAS VERY, VERY HIGH. IF WE WERE EXCITED, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY WAS EXCITED. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE YOUTH SPORTS NEW EMPHASIS. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A BEAUTIFICATION JACKIE CLARKE TALKED ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION TO THE POINT THAT PEOPLE WERE SICK OF HEARING ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION. BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED. I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES. SUCH AS THE L D. E. R S AH, THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE

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LITERALLY. THE TICKETS ARE $15. PLEASE HELP US WITH THAT FRANK WILL HELP WITH THE OTHER KINGS CENTER BUSINESS? YES. SO WE HAVE OUR MEAL SITE, WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT WE MOVED LOCATIONS INTO THE CIVIC CENTER. SO OUR HURRICANE IAN KIND OF PUSHED BACK OUR GRAND PARTY LIKE OUR GRAND OPENING OF IT. UM, THE GRAND OPENING IS ON NOVEMBER 3RD. ALL ARE INVITED. IF YOU WANT TO. GIVE ME A CALL. WE'RE DOING RSVPS, BUT SIMPLY I'M JUST PUTTING YOUR NAME. ANYBODY CAN COME. YOU KNOW, UM SO WE'RE DOING THAT ON NOVEMBER? 3RD WE HAD THAT THIS MEAL SITE HAS BEEN OPENED, BUT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH PROGRAMMING. WE DO HAVE A MONTH ON MONDAYS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SENIOR FITNESS. WE'RE WORKING WITH PHYLLIS AND HER TEAM TO DO SOME INTEGRATED MEMORY ENHANCEMENT PROGRAMS. UM THROUGH THE WEEK AS WELL. UM, WE'RE ALSO HAVING TONS OF PRESENTATIONS. UM WE HAD WE HAD HOSPICE JUST THERE, BUT WE HAVE, LIKE DIFFERENT SOCIAL ROOTS SOCIAL WORK GROUPS THAT COME AND DO LITTLE PRESENTATIONS FOR US.

WE HAVE ARTS AND CRAFTS WITH VICKI, YET SCO FROM THE VILLAGE ARTS AND CRAFTS LOFT, SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO MANY THINGS, UM, FOR AND WE'RE GONNA ALSO PRINT PLAN FOR FIELD TRIPS AS WELL.

UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO LIKE A MANY CANE CENTER DOWN IN INDIAN TOWN AND OUR HOURS ARE OPEN.

WE'RE OPEN FROM 10 TO 1. SO PLEASE FEEL FREE IF YOU'RE SIX YEARS IN ORDER TO STOP BY AND SIGN UP. UM WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON TRANSPORTATION. UM SO YOU KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN'T GET THERE ON THEIR OWN, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE A BUS READY TO PICK THEM UP TO BRING THEM TO. YOU KNOW THE DAILY ACTIVITIES. SO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 10 TO 1. UM YOU HAVE LUNCH WITH OUR CORE PART OF THE PROGRAM IS LUNCH, BUT AROUND IT WILL HAVE ACTIVITIES AS WELL IN THE GRAND OPENING ON THE THIRD IS AT 11. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS SAMANTHA NEWKIRK. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME EVENING. I'M SAMANTHA NEWKIRK. FOR THE RECORD. I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT SAFETY FOR OUR KIDS AND MARTIN COUNTY BECAUSE THAT BETTER I'M A NATIVE HERE IN TOWN ALL MY LIFE, BUT I'VE BEEN DRIVING SCHOOL BUS FOR 20 YEARS. AND AS THE YEARS WENT BY, I SEE THAT THEY HAVE THIS THING CALLED A TWO MILE RADIUS AND THE KIDS OUT IN BUDDHA PARK CANNOT RIDE THE BUS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT TWO MILES. AND WE HAVE AN ISSUES WITH THAT PRODUCT BECAUSE THEY WANT THE DRIVERS. THE REFUSE THE KID WHICH I WOULD NEVER DO, BECAUSE IF THAT KID WALK ACROSS THAT RAILROAD TRACK, AND NO, UM SAFEGUARD THEIR THAT'S ON THEM. NOT ON ME BECAUSE I KEEP TELLING THEM. THERE'S NO GUARD THERE.

THERE'S NO GUARD THAT EARLY IN THE MORNING OUT THERE, THE GUARD ONLY COMES OUT WHEN MIDDLE

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BUT WHY WOULD YOU LET AN ELEMENTARY KID KIDS DON'T KNOW. DANGER. THEY TAKE EVERYTHING IS HUNKY DORY. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU MAKE THIS SAFER. OUR YOUNG KIDS THAT'S GROWING UP BECAUSE THESE KIDS BEEN THE PARENTS. HALF OF THEM DON'T HAVE A RIDE TO GET THERE OR WHATEVER. TWO OF THEM COULD RIDE THE BUS BY THE OTHER ONE CAN'T RIDE. IT'S CRAZY OUT HERE, SO WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE VILLAGE. PLEASE COME TOGETHER WITH THIS SAFETY FOR OUR KIDS. THAT'S MY CONCERN. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. THE FINAL SPEAKER. I HAVE MADAM

[COMMENTS BY VILLAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS]

[COMMENTS BY VILLAGE MANAGER]

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[APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]

OKAY. THANK YOU. LIVING ON DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AS AS AMENDED MOVE. IS THERE A SECOND? MOVED AND SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR. I. AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AS

[CONSENT AGENDA]

NUMBER 10. NINE WAS PART OF CONCERN 10 CORRECT REGULAR AGENDA. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 10.

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Approval of Booker Park Drainage Project Change Order #2

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Approval of Booker Park Drainage Project Change Order #3

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AND IT WILL MAKE FOR BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THAT PROJECT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT'S A $205,000 PROJECT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO ANYWAY, AND IT'LL ENABLE US TO FINISH THE DRAINAGE PROJECT OVER THERE AND DO IT PROPERLY.

AND THOSE FUNDS. ALSO AARP A FUNDING. THIS COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. ACTUALLY JOB. THANK YOU. UH SO THIS IS HOPEFULLY THIS IS GOING TO BE REMOVED OFF THE FUTURE RFE, RIGHT? YES. WE HAVE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN, THERE'S A PLAN TO ELIMINATE THE ASBESTOS PIPE THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM. THE ESTIMATE WAS 2000 FT A YEAR THERE'S A COST THAT COMES TO THAT. WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO ALL THAT WORK YET, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FINISH TO BRING THE DRAINAGE PROPERLY. SO IT JUST MADE SENSE TO DO THIS AND YES, IT'S GOING TO HELP US IN THE FUTURE. AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE WATER LINES, SO IT'S WIN WIN IN THE END. THANK YOU. SO LET ME ASK WHAT WILL THAT LEAVE AS FAR AS FOOTAGE THAT WE WERE GOING AT THE ASBESTOS LINED THERE'S AROUND 40,000 LINEAR FEET OF ASBESTOS WATERLINE IN THE SYSTEM, SO THE PLAN IN THE MASTER PLAN IS TO TAKE CARE OF 2000 FT. A YEAR OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. OKAY ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 1200 FT IN THIS PROJECT. SO WE'VE GOT 40,000 LESS. 1200 THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF.

YES, OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. JACKET. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, MADAM MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR. BYE. I BELIEVE THAT IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 12 APPROVAL APPROVAL OF PIGGYBACKING OFF AN AGREEMENT

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Approval of Piggybacking Off of an Agreement between Martin County and One Call Florida (Contract No. RFP 2021-3318) for Construction Services  

EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FOR AN A COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. BUT IT'S JUST TO UTILIZE THAT CONTRACT AND THEIR BEST PRICING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY THERE'S NOT ANY QUESTIONS I'M HEARING. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SOME OF SECOND. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE? NO MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU ALL IN FAVOR. I'M NOT HERE. ANYTHING OFF HIS OWN. BYE. THANK YOU. I

[13.  

Appointing an Alternate Member to the Treasure Coast Regional League of Cities (TCRLC)

OKAY. WELL, LET'S IS THERE ANYBODY. VICE MAYOR STONE. ARE YOU WILLING TO BE ALTERNATE? NOT

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Approval of Minutes of the Regular Meeting of September 22, 2022

THERE WAS NO VOTE. IT WAS JUST THE CONSENSUS, RIGHT? AND THAT'S THAT'S THERE WAS NO ROLL CALL VOTE TAKING ON THAT. AND THIS WAS IN REFERENCE PUBLIC KNOWS WHO NO LONGER READING PUBLIC COMMENT. LETTERS INTO THE RECORD . A ROLE CALL VOTE WAS NOT TAKEN. IT WAS JUST A CONSENSUS OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL, BUT OVERALL CALL VOTE WAS TAKEN. SO IN THAT INSTANCE HE YEAH. SO LET ME YEAH, THERE THAT EVEN EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A CONSENSUS WE KNOW WHO VOTED WHAT, EVEN IF IT WAS NOT OFFICIALLY ROLL CALL. SO CAN IT BE NOTATED? IT CAN BE NOTATED. THAT'S HOW WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST, BUT I CAN GO BACK AND NOTATED AND SO THAT WILL COME BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL. ONCE THAT NOTATION HAS BEEN DONE, YES. OKAY? DOES DO WE NEED TO MOTION DO WE NEED EMOTION ON THAT? OR IS THAT JUST REQUEST OF THE REQUEST THE STAFF? OKAY, WONDERFUL. THANK

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ORDINANCE NO. XX-2022:  AN ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO PERMIT THE FENCING OF SPECIFIED VACANT PROPERTIES WITH NO PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE; AND, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. (Application No. LDR-22-029)

GOOD EVENING, ALETHEA JEFFERSON AGAIN. FOR THE RECORD, WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

SO TONIGHT STAFF IS PRESENTING, UH, FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE, ALSO KNOWN AS APPLICATION L. D. R 22. THERE'S 0 TO 9 AND THIS WAS A DIRECTIVE FROM AH COUNCIL TO UPDATE THE CODE TO ALLOW FENCING OF VACANT PROPERTIES. WHAT WE FOUND AND WE DID RESEARCH IN LOOKING AT WHILE THE DIRECTIVE ALSO INCLUDED THAT WE MAKE IT COMPARABLE TO WHAT THE COUNTY NOW HAS. AND WE FOUND THE PROVISIONS IN THE COUNTY CODE AND. WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THEY PERMIT THE FENCING OF VACANT PROPERTIES AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. NEXT SLIDE. STAFF

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UH, IN THE EVENT THAT THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. AND THE REASON STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU NOT ADOPT. THIS IS BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT IN MOST INSTANCES, OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAD SIMILAR PROVISIONS AS OURS OR THEY SIMPLY. ONLY ALLOWED FENCING OF VACANT LOTS. IF SOMEONE, UM IF THERE WAS A COMPROMISE TO THE SAFETY, HEALTH AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS, BUT IN MOST CASES IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THE FENCING OF VACANT, NOT FLIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED AND SO STAFF HMM. I WOULD LIKE TO UPHOLD THE CURRENT CODE. UM I BELIEVE YOU HAD IN YOUR PACKETS. A AN ATTACHMENT B.

A AND B RATHER THAT SHOWED STAFFS RESEARCH. AND THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT. WE ALSO PROVIDED YOU WITH THE OPTION 12 AND THREE THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE PLANNING, ZONING AND APPEALS BOARD FOR YOUR REFERENCE. NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN THE BOARD. ASKED THAT WE LEAVE THE CODE AS IT IS AND DENY THE PROPOSED 32 OTHER OPTIONS NEXT SLIDE. SO TONIGHT, THE COUNCIL MAY APPROVE ON FIRST READING AND SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING. ONE OF THE THREE OPTIONS OFFERED , UH, DENY THE CHANGES AND NOT HAVE A SECOND READING OR APPROVED WITH CHANGES. AGAINST STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE NOT ADOPT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE. NEXT LINE.

I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED THE NEXT COURSE OF ACTION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE THEM THERE. THAT'S PRETTY WELL CUT AND DRY. VERY WELL EXPLAINED. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY COMMENT? FROM THE COUNCIL. WHAT IS YOUR REASON FOR NOT WANTING PEOPLE TO FENCE OFF THEIR PROPERTY? SUCH FENCING COULD BE AN EYESORE IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS. I BELIEVE WE PRIMARILY BE TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WE NOW HAVE IN THE VILLAGE BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS AS THEY COME ONLINE WILL HAVE IN THEIR DIESEL RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU CANNOT, UH , FENCE THE VACANT LIGHTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT JUST LOOKS LIKE AN EYESORE AND IF, IN FACT IT WERE TO BE OF ANY MATERIAL PERMITTED IN THE VILLAGE THAT INCLUDES WOOD FENCING. AND COULD POTENTIALLY BE TALL ENOUGH THAT OUR COMPLIANCE OFFICER CANNOT SEE BEHIND IT. YOU COULD END UP WITH INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE ARE STORING MATERIALS ON THEIR VACANT LOT, WHICH IS NOT PERMITTED, AND YOU COULD END UP WITH SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE VERMIN. UH NOXIOUS SMELLS ETCETERA AS A RESULT, AND IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT IS APPEALING FROM THE CURB. SO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME IF I HAD IF I OWNED A LOT? YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW ME TO PUT A FENCE OUT IF I WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF MY PROPERTY THAT I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PROPERTY. THAT MEAN YOU'RE TAKING PEOPLE'S RIGHTS? I MEAN, THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY, AND THEY GOT AS MUCH LIABILITY. THE HOUSE ON IT THAN THEY DO WITH THE HOUSE ON IT, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO FENCE THEIR LOT. THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT. THAT SHOULD BE THE DEROGATIVE TO DEFENSE THEIR LIFE. FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY HAVE. NOW I DO AGREE. WOOD FENCE. I WOULDN'T WANT THAT. THE CHAIN LINK FENCE YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT. ENCODING FORCE, MINT OR CODE COMPLIANCE. WOULD BE ABLE TO. MAKE SURE THAT THEY ADHERED TO THE COACH THAT WE HAVE. I JUST THINK IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE OF SOMEBODY RUNS ACROSS MY LINE. AND BREAKS A LEG. GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE GOING TO COME AFTER ME. OKAY SO IF WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. UH SO THE FIRST, I GUESS, UM COUNCIL MEMBER OF APOLLO ANSWERED WELL, HE KIND OF MADE A STATEMENT. AS FAR AS ONE

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AND THEN YOU START HAVING BUCKETS OF YOU KNOW WHAT SITTING AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE, SO THAT'S MY CONCERN AS FAR AS PUTTING UP WITH OFFENSES, WHETHER ON AN EMPTY LOT THEY'RE GOING TO START BECOME QUOTE UNQUOTE. LEVEL WILL BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START LIVING THERE. THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE DETAILS AS FAR AWAY AS YOU KNOW.

FRIENDSHIP IF WE DO ALLOW IT. IS IT GOING TO BE WOODEN FENCE, OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE A CHAIN LINK FENCE? THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY CAN DO. CHAIN LINK THEY CAN DO, UM, THE PLASTIC THAT LOOKS LIKE WOULD ANY ANY MATERIALS THAT ARE ALREADY PERMITTED BY CODE? THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN? DOESN'T ADJUST THAT FENCE TYPES JUST FOR THIS RIGHT, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN THERE AND SAY ONLY CHAIN LINK FENCE FOR THIS SITUATION. YOU COULD, IF THAT'S A CHANGE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND SAY SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD BE WRITTEN IS JUST YOU CAN HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE UP TO SIX FT. TALL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT. SOMEBODY PUTS SORRY. HANG ON, LET'S LET'S LET'S FINISH. I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT HE SAID. OKAY SO I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT TO GET A SHED. YOU NEED A PERMIT. YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S WE'RE QUOTING FORCE MINT WOULD COME IN. UM. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IT SHOULD BE THAT THE LANDOWNERS IT'S ON.

IT'S ON THEIR BACK, SO IT SHOULD BE ON THEM. SO BUT AND ALSO YOU KNOW IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE YOU KNOW, NOW YOU HAVE TO REVERT BACK TO TAKE THAT FENCE DOWN OR THE FRONT PART OF IT. WRAP IT AROUND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO THAT THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE IS ACCESSIBLE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. ROCKET SCIENCE. IT'S NOT YOU OWN A LOT. YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY PARTYING ON IT. YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE THROWING TRASH ON IT. YOU DON'T WANT STUFF DUMPED ON IT. YOU WANT TO PUT UP A FENCE? THAT SHOULD BE YOUR PREROGATIVE TO PUT UP A FENCE.

YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE. OKAY NOW YOU GOT TO MEET THE CODE FOR BUILDING THE HOUSE. IT'S JUST SIMPLE, COMMON SENSE, NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. THANK YOU. SO AS FAR AS I GUESS WE COULD PROBABLY DO AMENDMENT WHERE IT HAS TO BE SEE THROUGH AT ALL TIMES AND HAVE TO BE CHAIN LINK FENCE. OKAY STAFF IS HAPPY TO TAKE THIS BACK AND MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AND WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO TOUCH WANTED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE JUST TO DETERMINE RIGHT. THE NEXT HEIGHT YOU'RE SAYING MAX HEIGHT. PERIMETER SIX FT. WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT IT NOW. ARE WE DONE? I WANT TO GET EVERYBODY ELSE'S COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET IN THE WEEDS HERE. YES I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THOSE CHANGES IF THAT'S THE CASE.

OKAY? THANK YOU AGAIN, OKAY? OKAY, AND ARE. ARE ZOOMING COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, UM.

COUNCIL MEMBER HERNANDEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UH NO. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD BE

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ALL RIGHT, UM MAYOR THE OPTION TO WHICH SHE HAD THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN THE AGENDA ITEM HERE . OPTION TWO BASICALLY SAYS, BECAUSE THE RULE IS ALL SET UP, SAYING WHETHER IT'S CAN BE FOUR FT. HIGH OR SIX FT HIGH IS BASED ON IT BEING BEHIND THE HOUSE OR NOT CORRECT THERE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT LINE IS, SO IT CREATES AN IMAGINARY LINE. IT SAYS, UH, WILL DEEM THE FRONT PLANE OF THE IMAGINARY HOUSE THERE TO BE THE SETBACK LINES. OKAY? THERE'S A SETBACK CAN'T BUILD UP BUILDING ANY CLOSER THAN X FEET TO THE STREET. SO IF THE, UM IF A FENCE ON A VACANT PROPERTY IF YOU WERE TO PICK OPTION TO AS IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED FENCES BUILT IN FRONT OF THE SETBACK. ALRIGHT FOR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOUR FT. IF IT'S THE SETBACK, LINER BEHIND, IT CAN BE SIX FT. THAT'S THE WAY OPTION TWO IS CURRENTLY DRAFTED OPTION

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SO. YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO IT ON MY LIFE. I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK SO , BECAUSE I WILL TAKE YOU TO COURT. I'M TELLING YOU BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT. I PURCHASED THAT Y'ALL DIDN'T PURCHASE IT. I HAVE INSURANCE ON IT AND EVERYTHING, BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO IT ON MY LOT. UH AND I DO WANT TO GET A FENCE. BECAUSE IT'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING SITS NEXT DOOR TO MY OPEN LIKE. AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A SURVEY TEAM OUT THERE BECAUSE WHEN THEY

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BECAUSE RIGHT THEY HAD BEFORE THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT A CAPITAL T TAKING UNDER THE U. S OR FLORIDA CONSTITUTION, BUT TO RIGHT. THEY DID HAVE AND THEY DON'T HAVE THAT. IT'S A LITTLE T. OKAY WHO'S NEXT? NEXT SPEAKER IS KEVIN POWERS. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'LL BE BRIEF, GOOD, GOOD FENCES. GOOD NEIGHBORS. THE POINT WAS SPOT ON WHAT WE COULD DO UNDER MARTIN COUNTY BEFORE NOW, WE CAN'T.

THAT'S TOTALLY OPPOSITE OF WHAT THIS VILLAGE AT SUPPORTED WHEN WE INCORPORATED, UM AND THEN SECOND, DON'T LIMIT YOURSELF TO CHAIN LINK FENCES. MY GOODNESS, THEY'RE SO INSTITUTIONAL, BUT THERE'S SO MANY GREAT FENCING OPTIONS OUT THERE. THAT LOOKED REALLY GOOD AND SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE OF PROTECTING YOUR LAND . SO DON'T LIMIT YOURSELF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM THERE, OKAY? OKAY. DOES ANY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE EMOTION? ACTUALLY BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, MADAM MAYOR IF YOU IF I MAY WHAT YOU GOT. SO I'M ACTUALLY THINKING WHILE I'M LISTENING TO EVERYBODY SPEAK WHY DON'T WE PUT IT ON THE ABOUT AND HAVE THE RESIDENTS VOTE ON THIS. I MEAN, AT LEAST WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY THINK. INSTEAD OF US MAKING A DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FOR THEM. LET THEM MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION. IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A NEIGHBOR TO HAVE A WOODEN FENCE NEXT TO THEM OR NOT. I APPRECIATE THE VICE MAYORS, SENTIMENTS AND WANTING TO LISTEN TO, UM THE PUBLIC WHICH WE ARE DUTY BOUND TO DO AND WHICH WE HAVE THIS EVENING DONE. UM IT IS OUR AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO TAKE CARE OF. THIS TYPE OF, UM SITUATION WHEN IT COMES TO REDOING. THE, UM. WHAT AM I THINKING OF THAT WE GO BY. ARE ARE ARE. CHARTER THANK YOU SO

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THAT IS SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY THAT, UM GOES TO THE PEOPLE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GUIDE US IN THAT THIS IS I DON'T WANT TO SAY LITTLE STUFF BECAUSE IT'S BIG STUFF FOR A PROPERTY OWNER. AND I THINK THAT IT'S OUR DUTY TO DEAL WITH IT. UM WE'VE WE'VE HEARD. I, UM ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION MOTION? YES, SIR. TO ALLOW IT. OUR FENCING. CHAIN LINK OR SEE THROUGH SOMETHING SOME KIND OF BARRIERS THAT WE CAN SEE TWO AND STAFF CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS AND GET BACK TO US WITH THE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT TYPES OF FENCING THAT WE COULD UTILIZE. BUT MOTION TO A LOT OF FENCING. AND THEY CAN WATCH. OKAY. I HAVE EMOTION. DO I HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HERNANDEZ. YES SIR. CAN I JUST ABSOLUTELY YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER PRODUCT WHEN IT COMES BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. UM SO WITH THAT. QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS IN FRONT OF THAT SETBACK LINE. I WAS TALKING ABOUT MAXIMUM SIX FT OR MAXIMUM OF FOUR FAITH.

MAXIMUM. SET BACK FOUR FT FROM FROM FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. OH, NO, I'M I APOLOGIZE, UH, THE RULES. YEAH, THE RULE THE RULE WHEN THERE'S A HOUSE IS IT'S IT CAN ONLY BE FOUR FT. IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. IT CAN BE UP TO SIX FT. BEHIND THE FRONT PLANE TO THE HOUSE. WE DON'T HAVE A FRONT PLANE. WE DON'T HAVE A HOUSE. EXACTLY SO, SO THE QUESTION IS UP TOWARDS THE STREET RIGHT UP TOWARDS THE RIGHT AWAY. BASICALLY THE FRONT SIDE FOUR FT HEIGHT OR SIX FT HEIGHT. FOUR FT HIGH IT'S A BARRIER. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS FOLLOW. FOLLOW CURRENT CODE SIX. NO, BECAUSE KAREN CODE FOUR FT. BUT CURRENT CODE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR YOU TO GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES, THAT'S FINE. YEAH, IT'S IT IN ACTUALLY ACTUALLY BE UP TO THE PROPERTY. THEY WEREN'T PURPOSES . THAT WE'VE GOT TO FILL OUT A THING. FILL OUT A FORM. SO IS IT. OKAY? SOMEBODY PUT A FINE, OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SIX. FT. OKAY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CHAIN LINK OR WIRE. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING? THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MOTION. YES, THAT'S THE MOSD TO THAT MOTION. I UNDERSTAND.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION MADE WE HAVE AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MOTION IS.

YES MA'AM. GOT THAT. YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR US? YES, MA'AM. WE I THINK WE UNDERSTAND. OKAY, AND WE HAVE A SECOND. DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE. CAN WE JUST IT'S UP TO YOU TO THE COUNCIL.

ALL IN FAVOR. I. I'M FOR IT. PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON. NEXT WILL BRING BACK A REVISED ORDINANCE ON SECOND. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 15. YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. ITEM NUMBER 15

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ORDINANCE NO. XX-2022: AN ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO ESTABLISH COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING REGULATIONS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH RESIDENTIAL USES; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. (Application No. LDR-22-025)

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OTHERWISE THEY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO PARK PERMANENTLY OVERNIGHT COUPLE OF DAYS A WEEK.

COUPLE OF MONTHS. WOULD BE PROHIBITED. NEXT SLIDE. THE PLANNING, ZONING AND APPEALS BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS FOR APPROVAL ON FIRST READING AND SCHEDULING OVER SECOND READING FOR ADOPTION. NEXT SLIDE. THE REQUESTED ACTION AGAIN IS JUST TO UPDATE THE CODE. WITH AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD PROHIBIT TRACTOR TRAILERS, SEMI TRACTORS AND SEMI TRAILERS. IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS OUTSIDE OF LOADING AND UNLOADING. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. HAVE QUESTIONS. YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING SORRY? YOU'RE PERPETUALLY ASKING SOMETHING YOU GOTTA ACTUALLY. SO WHAT ABOUT LIKE A BOX TRUCKS AND THESE ARE INCLUDED PARDON TRUCKS. AND IF THEY ARE INCLUDED, WHAT'S THE LENGTH WHERE IT BE CONSIDERED AS A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE? THIS CODE DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LENGTH. A BOX TRUCK. IT WAS THERE A BOX TRUCK IN THE IMAGES . I SHOWED YOU. OKAY WELL, THEN I HAVE TO KIND OF COOL SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. DOES DO YEAH. YEAH AND SO WELL, SO I THINK WE KNOW WHAT WHAT? WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS NOW IT'S ABOUT THE OKAY . IT'S ABOUT THE CARGO CAPACITY OR CARRYING CAPACITY OF THESE OVERSIZED VEHICLES. AND SO THIS ORDINANCE IS TO PROHIBIT SEMIS TRACTOR TRAILERS, THOSE KIND OF BIG TRUCKS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. UE OR MAKING DELIVERY OR PICKUP.

AND SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU SAW EARLIER ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWED. THEY'RE NOT BOX DRUGS.

OKAY AND SO I DID SOME RESEARCH . YOU KNOW, BEFORE THIS MEETING ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE CARING CAPACITY OF A BOX TRUCK, AND IT REALLY DEPENDS. I, UM I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH WEIGHT ABOUT THIS IN ANY DETAIL, BUT I'M SURE HE'S AWARE OF THE ISSUES, THOUGH, SO SORRY. I GOT A THOUGHT WHILE HE WAS SAYING SOMETHING MR. BROWN WAS SAYING SOMETHING. SO AS FAR AS THE. COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.

WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY AIR BRAKE VEHICLE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL? THERE ARE SOME BOX TRUCKS THAT HAVE AIR BRAKES AND SOME THAT DOESN'T AND THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO.

PROBABLY LOOK INTO BECAUSE YOU KNOW I'M NOT VERY TECHNICAL IN THAT INTERESTING WELCOME. WE WELCOME EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK ON THIS, BECAUSE LET ME JUST SHARE . WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS. WE LOOKED AT THIS PREVIOUS AND WE'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON THIS. THERE ARE TWO MOVING PARTS, AND IN THIS CHANGER ONE IS THE EASY CATEGORICAL PIECE. ALRIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRACTOR TRAILERS, SEMI TRAILERS AND SEMI TRACTORS. WE LOOKED AT THOSE PROFESSIONAL DEFINITIONS OF THAT EVERYTHING WE COULD FIND ONLINE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THOSE ARE PRETTY CLEARLY IDENTIFIABLE. THERE'S ANOTHER MOVING PART IN THIS AND THAT IS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. COMMERCIAL TRAILERS OVER ITS IN THIS CURRENT DRAFT, ONE TON CAPACITY . THE FEEDBACK THAT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM A LOT OF FOLKS IS THAT IS WAY TOO LOW. UM AND SO I WOULD WELCOME DISCUSSION ALONG THOSE ARE I THINK WE WOULD STAFF WOULD WELCOME DISCUSSION ALONG THOSE LINES. WE CAN EASILY CHANGE THAT NUMBER. SO THE FEEDBACK I'VE HEARD KIND OF MORE GOES IN THE DIRECTION OF DEUCE AND A HALF 2.5 TONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AGAIN, I'D SUGGEST ALONG THESE LINES THAT MAYBE THE PROFIT WON'T DISCUSSION TO HAVE A BOX TRUCK. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE DEPENDS BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A 16 FT BOX ROAD. YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A 24 FT. AND YOU CAN ALSO HAVE A BOX TRUCK THAT HAS BRAKES, WHICH IS DEFINITELY COMMERCIAL. AND THEN YOU HAVE A BOX TRUCK THAT IS CUT OFF VAN. AND MERYEM. I'M SORRY TO JUMP IN. I JUST GO RIGHT AHEAD TO ADDRESS THAT. THE GOAL.

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WORK HERE. THEY TAKE THEIR VEHICLES HOME WITH THEM. THEY GOT TRAILERS THERE. LANDSCAPERS YOU KNOW, TONIGHT. MAYBE THERE'S UH THREE TONS IN THAT TRAILER. UM SHOULD I? I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE IS A VILLAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER BE. THERE IS A VILLAGE BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE TODAY. I THINK IF YOU LOOK INTO TO STOP PEOPLE FROM PARKING TRACTOR TRAILERS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW OF ANY AND I'VE BEEN UP AND DOWN THE STREETS OF THREE OR FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING MANY, MANY TIMES MORE THAN THAT CARE TO REMEMBER. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A TRACTOR TRAILER PARKED ANYWHERE. IN A BACK STREET. UM AND IF THERE IS SHOWED ME A PICTURE OF IT THOSE PICTURES WERE NOT FROM INDIAN TOWN. OKAY OKAY, BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S THAT'S MISLEADING. IT'S YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF A TRACTOR TRAILER SHOWED ME ONE AND THEN YOU DIE. I CAN SHOW YOU A BUNCH OF THE PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD ON 7 10. I USED TO WRITE TICKETS TO BYE. UM I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT GROCERY ICAL WAIT. A TRACTOR TRAILER. I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO MAKE IT JUST A SENSIBLE AND SIMPLE LITTLE THING THAT THAT YOU CANNOT PARK JOHN. WHAT'S ATTRACTIVE TRAIL AWAY.

BUNCH WHAT'S WHAT IS IT? I MEAN, £90,000 80,000 POUNDS DOES ANYBODY KNOW? OKAY. I MEAN, UNLOADED. LET'S GO WITH IT UNLOADED. OKAY WE'RE GETTING AWAITS HERE. WE'RE GETTING IN THE WEEDS HERE. I KNOW, BUT BUT, I MEAN, SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO GET IN THE WEEKS TO FIND A NEEDLE, RIGHT? SO IF WE TAKE THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT HAVE AN EMPTY TRACTOR TRAILER AND USE THAT. I THINK WE'VE SUCCEEDED IN DOING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. AND TAKE THE WORD COMMERCIAL OUT OF IT. OKAY, THERE'S. GUIDANCE MADAM MARY. I KNOW. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. HERNANDEZ HAS HER HAND UP WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR NOT SAYING COUNCIL MEMBER HERNANDEZ. THANK YOU. UM YES, MY CLARIFICATION OF GUARDS OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. SOMETHING I DO KNOW IS THAT I DID HAVE A RESIDENT COMPLAINED ABOUT, UH, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, A TRUCK I ONE OF THOSE BIG SEMI, UM. ONE DOWN HER STRANGE, YOU KNOW, WORRIED ABOUT HER STREET BEING TIRED, WORN OUT BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS SEES IT DOWN HER, UM, HER STREET SO I HAVE SEEN SOME IN THE BACK WAY. SO UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT TO COUNTER NUMBER UM APOLLO RESIDES OF. SOME PEOPLE PARKING THERE. THOSE TRUCKS. TRUCKERS OUT IN THE BACK ROADS, SO I HAVE SEEN THEM. BUT I THINK CLARIFICATION IN REGARDS OF WHAT TYPE OF, UH COMMERCIAL VEHICLES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO THAT WE DON'T FREAK OUT OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE AS A VICE MAYOR, US STONE STATED THAT THE UM THAT. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT ? YOU'RE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I THINK MAKING A DEFINITION IN REGARDS OF WHAT ALLOWED VEHICLES AND WHAT WE WON'T BE ALLOWING, UM, WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR STAFF TO COME BACK IN REGARDS OF WHICH VEHICLES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE THEN, UM WE CAN CLARIFY ALL THIS WITH OUR RESIDENTS. OKAY I'M I'M GOING TO AND WHAT KIND OF YOU UP AGAIN? JUST FUND UP. OKAY OKAY. UH, SO COUNCIL MEMBER OF APOLLO ACTUALLY. MADE A GOOD POINT AS FAR AS THE

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OKAY AND I'M GONNA TAKE LIBERTY HERE AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR NEXT EXPERT WITNESS. HE'S ALREADY TURNED IN A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD. I KNOW OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER HAROLD JENKINS.

THIS IS HIS LIVELIHOOD. I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRUCKS, AND IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT THIS CAME UP BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING JUST, UH, A LITTLE WHILE AGO, COLLEEN AND I WERE TRYING TO GET PAST WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT WITH SOME COMPLAINTS WE HAD WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF A COMMERCIAL TRUCK. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO GO. OKAY BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A REAL CLEAR. AND I HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW TO CLEAR IT. I'M GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU BEFORE I GIVE IT TO THE COUNTY. ALRIGHT, SO G D W IS EVERYTHING WITH THE STATE. LICENSING UM VWS. WHAT GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT. THANK YOU. WHAT? IT'S LEGAL FOR THE VEHICLE, PLUS ITS LOAD. A SEMI TRACTOR TRAILER IS £80,000. A TRI AXLE DUMP TRUCK IS ACTUALLY. THE SAME AS A SEMI THAT YOU'RE NOT EVEN MENTIONING HERE. THEY COULD LITERALLY BE GROSSING £70,000. TEARING YOUR ROOTS UP AND YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT EVEN APPROACHING THIS. SO I HAVE AN IDEA. SO THE CUT OFF OF WHAT THE STATE FEELS BEFORE. YOU HAVE TO GET A BOT NUMBER AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS 26,000. I THINK £26,500 OR £26,000. THAT IS ALSO THE CUT OFF. SO THIS TRUCK RIGHT HERE IS PROBABLY ON THE RIGHT. THE WHITE TRUCK IS PROBABLY 26,000. UH POUND T V W TRUCK WHICH YOU DO NOT NEED A COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE TO DRIVE. SO THAT IS THE CUT OFF, RIGHT? THAT'S ALSO THE CUT OFF WHERE YOU HAVE FOR COMMERCIAL TRUCK ABOVE THAT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A D O T NUMBER ON THE SIDE OF IT AND BE IN REGISTER AND FILL OUT. THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT. THAT'S THE PERFECT LINE. THERE SHOULD NOT BE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD A VEHICLE WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR NOT, OVER £26,000 THAT'S TEARING YOUR ROADS UP. SO THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THIS IS CLEARED MY THOUGHTS UP TO ACTUALLY WORK. COLLEEN AND I ARE GOING TO PROPOSE ON THE COUNTY LEVEL ANYWAY. THAT'S IT. SO NOW THEY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO THANK YOU. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT INFORMATION IS PERFECT. OKAY SO NUMBER, SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE MORE PUBLIC REQUESTS. YES, MADAM MAYOR. FIRST SPEAKERS. TONY'S WHINER. FOLLOWED BY LINDEN ECOM. AGAIN FOR THE RECORD. TONY'S WYNDHAM THANK YOU AGAIN COUNCIL STAFF. AH I MAY HAVE JUMPED THE GUN ON THIS. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WOULD BE THIS MUCH EXPLANATION COMING, BUT MY FIRST CONCERN WAS MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE INVOLVED IN LANDSCAPING. AND WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE LANDSCAPING TRUCK AND TRAILER LOOKS LIKE. NO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WEIGHTS OR THE CAPACITY OF THE O R. BUT IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT A SEMI, THEY FALL INTO A CATEGORY SIMILAR, THAT COULD BE, UH WITH THE LONG TRAILER BEHIND THEM, AND SO I WAS JUST WANTING TO SAY WE NEED TO CLARIFY FOR THAT. ALSO, THE LANDSCAPING TRUCKS, THE DUMP, I GUESS OR A DUMP TRUCK. AND A TRAILER. THEY'RE ALL BEHIND THEM AND AGAIN, THAT'S A CONCERN FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE EMPLOYED IN THAT PASSION. OKAY THANK YOU . AND IF I CAN ONCE AGAIN GO TO OUR EXPERT HERE THAT ACTUALLY DOES THIS FOR A LIVING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO YOU SAID THAT LINE YOUR TRUCKS. YOUR TRAILERS DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT. D O T.

MY TRUCK'S UNDER £26,000 OF TRUCKS OVER £26,000 THE TRUCKS THAT TONY'S REFERRING TO ARE USUALLY AROUND 16. SO THERE WAS ZUZU TRUCKS WITH THE BEDS. THE LANDSCAPE REUSES ARE £16,000 DPW TRUCKS, SO THEIR WAY UNDER THAT THRESHOLD, SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN TOWN. YEAH THAT'S WHAT I HAVE SEEN ANYWAY. SO THAT SHOULDN'T ADVERSELY AFFECT ANY OF THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, OKAY? OUR NEXT OUR NEXT SPEAKER, LINDA NIGHT, LINDA, LINDA AND I COME FOLLOWED BY BARBARA CLAUDIUS. FOR THE RECORD , LINDEN. I CAN HERALD KIND OF TOOK MY TOOK MY THUNDER AWAY ON MY IDEA WAS THAT KNOWING THAT THE STATE LICENSE ALL THESE TRUCKS BASED ON THEIR WEIGHT. IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT BY THE LICENSING DONE ON THE TRUCK DON'T WE ALSO NEED TO CHECK WITH THE GUYS THAT PUT OUR ROADS IN AND FIND OUT WHAT. THE EXCESSIVE WEIGHT IS

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND. TO JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON ON THOSE SENTIMENTS OF THOSE LAST, UM COUPLE OF THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND. MY DISCUSSIONS WITH MR BROWN. I EXPRESSED THE SAME SAME EXACT SENTIMENTS THAT WE CANNOT REQUIRE SOMETHING. OF OUR PEOPLE WHO GETS THEIR LOVE

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SO WE NEED TO JUST LIKE THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, OFFER SOLUTIONS AND WE'VE GOT THEM. WE'VE GOT HIM. SO DO WE NEED, UM, TO PUT E NEED TO PUT A FINE FINE POINT TO THIS. DO WE HAVE THAT CUT OFF? ARE WE GOING TO? ARE WE GOING TO REFINE THIS? WELL LET ME LET ME RESPOND TO IT THIS WAY. UM THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT. ISSUE I'M KIND OF LOOKING ONLINE HERE AND RESEARCH WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT, AND I HEARD EVERYBODY IT LOOKS LIKE WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE A LANGUAGE. FOR THE NEXT MEETING THAT. THAT GETS US WHERE WE WANT TO GET TOO. OKAY, UM IN TERMS OF LIKE CHANGING THE LAND USE. I MEAN THE ZONING TO ACCOMMODATE MORE MANY WAREHOUSE STORAGE UNITS AND CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS. THAT'S A PROCESS WILL HAVE TO GO TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD BACK TO THE COUNCIL, SO, BUT WE CAN DO BOTH. MAYOR YES, SIR. RECOMMEND ON THIS. UM IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF TAKING OUT ANY REFERENCE TO THE TERM COMMERCIAL AND SIMPLY FOCUSING ON GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT. YES, SIR. WILL BE, UH, Y'ALL DON'T EVEN NEED TO PASS THIS ON FIRST READING TONIGHT BECAUSE WE'LL BE CHANGING THE TITLE. OKAY SO WHEN IT COMES BACK BEFORE YOU, IT'LL BE EFFECTIVELY ON FIRST READING AGAIN WITH A REVISED TITLE. SO IF YOU ALL JUST WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION TO US TO BRING BACK A REVISED VERSION FOR A NEW FIRST READING ALONG THOSE LINES. WE COULD DO THAT. SO IF IT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, WE WOULD LIKE TO INSTRUCT STAFF ACCORDINGLY. WHAT HE SAID. YOU GO RIGHT. ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY ARE WE ARE WE GOOD? YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY HERE AND APPRECIATE APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS AND PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER. WE WERE ABLE TO COME

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ORDINANCE NO. XX-2022: AN ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO REVISE PZAB TERMS, APPOINTMENTS, AND QUALIFICATIONS; AND PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. (Application No. LDR-22-040)

INDIAN TOWN, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO REVISE TERMS, APPOINTMENTS AND QUALIFICATIONS AND PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION CONFLICTS, SEVERAL BUILDING AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND THIS IS APPLICATION NUMBER LD R DASH 22-40 AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M GOING TO BE HANDLING THIS ITEM TONIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO IT. AND UM SO THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU ON FIRST READING TONIGHT, ARISING OUT OF THE DIRECTION YOU ALL PROVIDED AT YOUR SEPTEMBER 22ND MEETING. Y'ALL DIRECTORS TO PREPARE DRAFT LD AARDMAN AMENDMENT THAT IMPLEMENTED CERTAIN. CHANGES TO TERMS APPOINTMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS FOR A BABY. UM THAT DIRECTION WAS BASICALLY DO THE FOLLOWING REVISIONS MAKE FIVE OF THE SEVEN PCB MEMBERS DIRECTLY APPOINTED BY THE FIVE VILLAGE COUNCIL MEMBER. VILLAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH THOSE PC, A BOARD MEMBER TERMS RUNNING, COINCIDING WITH THE FOLKS WHO APPOINTED THEM, OKAY. THE OTHER TWO REMAINING P C MEMBERS WOULD BE APPOINTED BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. WITH TWO YEAR TERMS . UH BASICALLY, IF YOU THINK BACK IMPLICIT IN THAT IS IF THE APPOINTING IT RUNS CONCURRENT WITH THAT EVER GOES LONG ENOUGH . IT'LL BE FOUR YEAR TERMS. IT WILL BE FOUR YEAR AND TWO YEAR INITIALLY BECAUSE FOLKS ARE ON FOR TWO MORE YEARS AND THEN EVENTUALLY RUNNING FOR THOSE OTHER TWO. IT'S GOING TO BE FOR TWO YEAR TERMS. RUNNING COINCIDENCE. ELECTION CYCLE. SO COOL, COINCIDENT. OH, I'M SORRY , COINCIDED WITH THE WITH THE

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ALRIGHT THEN THEY'RE OFF THE BOARD. ALRIGHT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE P C. A B WAS TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER OF THAT LIMITATION OF FOUR. DOWN TO TWO. OKAY? SO THE THIS ORDINANCES BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ON FIRST READING OF PRESENTED TO YOU WHAT THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE , UH, WAS AS IMPLEMENTED ALSO CONVEYED TO YOU WHAT THE PC RECOMMENDATIONS WERE AS I MENTIONED PCB RECOMMENDATIONS ARE JUST THAT, UM IT IS WITHIN THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION TO TAKE THEM LEAVE THEM ADOPTED AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED BASED ON THE DIRECTION TAKE SOME, NOT OTHERS OR MAKE OTHER CHANGES. SO WITH THAT, GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS JUST TO CLARIFY THE ORDINANCE, AS IT IS WRITTEN, DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S JUST WHAT COUNCIL HAD. ORIGINALLY SO THAT INSTRUCTED THE DRAFT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU SO THANK YOU FOR

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EVERYTHING IN GREEN IS BASICALLY THE ADDITIONAL TWEAKS RECOMMENDED BY THE P C. A B WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO ANY UH, MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL THAT WANTED TO MOVE THE, UM. WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED BEFORE THERE BEFORE THEY'RE CHANGES IS TO MOVE TO PASS ON FIRST READING THE ORDINANCE AS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THE BABY. OKAY? IS THERE ANY OTHER? COUNCIL.

QUESTIONS REGARDING THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION. HOW MANY MEETINGS DO WE TYPICALLY HAVE FOR A YEAR? IT'S SCHEDULED TO HAVE 12 12 MEETINGS ONE PER YEAR OR PER ME ONE PER MONTH. AND HOW MANY ITEMS WOULD YOU SAY WE HAVE HER MONTH GIVE OR TAKE I WOULD SPECULATE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ONE AND FOUR. MAYBE. ONE AND FIVE, MAYBE AN AVERAGE OF THREE OKAY AND FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE. WHAT'S THE TYPICAL KUNZEL RATE? I MEAN, IS IT FOUR LIKE IN YOUR OTHER CITIES. YEAH UM, I WILL. I THINK THIS THIS ANSWER IS PART OF YOUR QUESTION. I WILL SHARE THAT. TO MY RECOLLECTION, NONE OF MY OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE WE'RE CITY ATTORNEY FOR NINE CITIES AND COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR ONE COUNTY. NONE OF THE REST OF OUR JURISDICTIONS THAT I CAN RECALL HAVE A LIMITATION NUMERICAL LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF RECUSALS THAT YOU CAN HAVE WITHIN A DISCRETE PERIOD OF TIME. IT IS LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE TO DO SO. I WOULDN'T HAVE OKAYED IT WHEN IT CAME THROUGH BEFORE, BUT I DON'T RECALL THAT ANY OF THE REST OF THEM. HAVEN'T UM UH, THAT'S ABOUT IT. WAS THERE ANOTHER PIECE TO YOUR QUESTION? I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. APOLOGIZE. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND AS FAR AS TO COMPARE 234. GOOD. OKAY SO WHAT? WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US HERE IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. AS THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER GETS TO PICK A PERSON.

PERSON QUALIFICATIONS. GOTTA BE. THEY EITHER OWN A BUSINESS WITHIN THE VILLAGE WHERE THEY LIVE WITHIN THE VILLAGE. AND THE REFUSALS. AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE FOR HOW DO WE HAVE THEM IN THAT IN THIS ORDINANCE, HOW DO WE HAVE IT? IF YOU WERE TO ADOPT ON FIRST READING THE ORDINANCE AS ITS, UH, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THE PCH BEFORE THEIR TWEAKS ITS FOUR WITHIN WITHIN A YEAR. OKAY MAX, AND IF WE WANT US TO DO AWAY WITH THAT COMPLETELY, WE COULD DO AWAY WITH THE COMPLETELY YOU COULD. OKAY I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING IF SOMEBODY HAS A CONFLICT, AND THEY COME FORWARD AND SAY, HEY, LISTEN, I GOT A CONFLICT. WHY DO WE WANT TO PENALIZE THAT PERSON? I MEAN, THAT PERSON COULD BE DOING A GREAT JOB AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HE'S GOTTA GO BECAUSE WE'VE SET A NUMBER THERE THAT WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO REFUSE YOURSELF AGAIN, SO YOU GOTTA LEAVE. I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES MUCH SENSE, YOU KNOW? AND SO. I WOULD REMOVE THAT ALTOGETHER. OKAY BUT FOR THE SAKE OF GOING FORWARD IF WE CAN'T DO THAT TONIGHT, YOU CAN.

WE CAN'T DO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE. IS THAT EMOTION, EMOTION? OKAY? UM. I'M NOT SAYING HANDS UP, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HERNANDEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO I ALREADY STATED IN THE LAST MEETING IN REGARDS OF WHERE I STAND WITH THIS, I WOULD PREFER MAJORITY BE RESIDENTS. UM I DON'T MIND HAVING THREE BUSINESS DONORS ON THERE BECAUSE THEY BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THE TABLE , BUT WE PREFER IT TO BE A MAJORITY RESIDENTS BECAUSE THIS WILL AFFECT RESIDENTS IN THE LONG RUN. OKAY THANK YOU.

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UM MR VOS, CLARIFYING THAT. EVERYBODY ELSE DOESN'T HAVE BECAUSE I HAD. I HAD HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS WITH PEOPLE. AND THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HAD WITH, UM, RESIDENCES.

IT NEEDS TO BE MORE NOT LESS BECAUSE INDIAN TOWN IS SO SMALL. AND I KNOW MY APPOINTEES OR NOMINEES, UM, HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN THEIR SELF OFF THE BOARD BECAUSE OF A CONFLICT THAT THEY FELT LIKE THEY COULD NOT. THEY WOULD NOT BE, UM, ABLE TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD AND STILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THEY WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD, SO THEY LEFT INDIA TOWN IS SOONER OR LATER, EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THAT BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE A CONFLICT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW ONCE A MONTH YOU KNOW, SO I AGREE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, DO AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE HAS IT SO NOT TOO SURE HOW WE WOUND UP WITH IT. IS THERE? UM ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MISS OWENS. YES, MADAM, MA'AM. I'M JUST THE NOTES. FIRST SPEAKER IS LINDA UNIKOM, FOLLOWED BY RONNIE TO PRESSLER. FOR THE RECORD, LINDEN ICON. YOU ALL THOUGHT I WAS JUST SLEEPING BACK THERE IN THE CORNER. NOBODY'S HEARD FROM ME TONIGHT.

UM. PERSONALLY I FEEL THAT RESTRICTING THE BOARD TO RESIDENTS OR MOSTLY RESIDENT STATUS REDUCES THE POOL OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE THAT ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE. NON RESIDENT BUSINESS OWNERS PROVIDES SUCH A VAST SOURCE OF EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE. THERE WE DO OUR VILLAGE A DISSERVICE BY DISQUALIFYING THEM IS INELIGIBLE. THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST. IN MAKING INDIAN TOWN WELL MANAGED PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK. THEY ARE NOT OUT TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS IS HAS BEEN INSINUATED. MANY OF THESE IN ELIGIBLE BUSINESSMEN ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE. FOR THE HARD WORK OF GETTING US INCORPORATED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND I IMPLORE YOU TO ALLOW THEM TO SHARE WITH US THE EXPERIENCE AND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE SO DESPERATELY NEED AND PUTTING TOGETHER OUR REGULATIONS AND RULES. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

NEXT SPEAKER IS JUANITA PRESSLER , FOLLOWED BY BARBARA CLAUDIUS. WE NEED A PRESSLER. UM. THE REASON A DEVELOPER OR ANYONE THAT IS HERE TO, UM AND THEY'RE INVOLVED IN PROPERTY THAT AFFECT THEIR PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A FLORIDA STATUTE. I THOUGHT I BROUGHT IT WITH ME TODAY, BUT TONIGHT, BUT I DIDN'T BUT ANYWAY THAT IS THEIR INTEREST IN BEING ON THE PCH. THEY HAVE NO OTHER PURPOSE TO BE HERE. THEY ARE NOT A RESIDENT, UM I'M JUST, YOU KNOW.

YOU'RE DISENCHANTED, DISENFRANCHISING RESIDENTS WHEN YOU PUT THEM ON THE PLANNING BOARD, RESIDENTS SHOULD BE THE ONE MAKING THE DECISION. AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE RULES ARE SIMPLE ENOUGH THAT ANYONE CAN UNDERSTAND AND READ THEM. YOU DON'T NEED THE EXPERTISE OF A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AGENT OR A DEVELOPER TO UNDERSTAND THEM. ANYWAY, IT'S JUST REALLY SAD. UD TAKING SEATS AWAY FROM RESIDENTS AND GIVING THEM TO NONRESIDENTS. NEXT SPEAKER IS BARBARA CLAUDIUS. PROBABLY BY SCOTT WATSON. MY NAME IS BARBARA CLOUD ISSE. I FIND IT INTERESTING.

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THEY'RE DEDICATED TWO INDIAN TOWN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MS PRESSLER JUST SAID, IS THAT WE DON'T NEED EXPERTS. AND NOTHING IS AFFECTED. BY NOT HAVING EXPERTS ON THE BOARD. BUT I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE EVER HIT ANY COMMUNITY AND THAT'S RIGHT OVER THERE ON FORMAL BOULEVARD. THAT WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. IF THE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW COMMITTEE HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO REVIEW. THE CHANGES TO THE LAND USE MAP.

THEY WERE KICKED OFF. IT WAS DISBANDED. THERE WERE NO CITIZENS. AND THEY WERE DEVELOPERS. BUSINESS PEOPLE, BUT THEY CARED ABOUT INDIAN TOWN. SO NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF UPSET PEOPLE, BUT THEY'RE UPSET AT THE DEVELOPER. THE DEVELOPER BOUGHT THE LAND ALREADY DESIGNATED WITH CERTAIN LAND USES HEATS, NOT THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR WHAT THE VILLAGE DEAD. TO A LAND USE MAP THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF WE HAD HAD A CITIZEN COMMITTEE WITH PEOPLE WITH THE EXPERTISE, BACKGROUND, KNOWLEDGE AND LOVE OF INDIAN TOWN SITTING ON THAT COMMITTEE AND THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT PC, A BOARD. THEY NEED THE SAME EXPERTISE. NEXT SPEAKER IS SCOTT WATSON, FOLLOWED BY ROSENDO PACHECO. SCOTT WATSON. FOR THE RECORD. THE CRUCIAL THING IS THAT IS A FALSE HURDLE THAT'S BEEN SOMEHOW THROWN INTO THIS DISCUSSION. THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF REASONS WHY SOMEONE MIGHT RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM A VOTE TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY I WAS ON THE PC, A BOARD AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT SHE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME COMES UP BEFORE US NOW I SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND IT'S THE RULES ALLOW FOR ME TO TAKE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, BUT WHEN ■IT&-E IT COULD AFFECT MY PIECE OF PROPERTY OR SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF. BUT I'M GOING TO TAKE PART IN THE DISCUSSION. SIR. I UNDERSTAND ALL THE FACTS THAT MAY BE PERTINENT TO THE MATTER BUT BECAUSE IT MIGHT MIGHT REFLECT UPON MY PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE I MIGHT RECUSE MYSELF. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME A BAD GUY. THAT MAKES ME SOMEONE WHO'S STANDARD TO A WORLD STANDARD AND SAY I SHOULDN'T PUT MY TWO I WANNA PUT MY TWO CENTS WORTH IN DISCUSSION WHEN IT COMES TO VOTE. I'M NOT GONNA DO IT, SO DON'T FALL PREY BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN MANY, MANY TIMES IN MARTIN COUNTY, WHERE THIS FALSE NUMBER IS THROWN IN SOMEWHERE, AND NOBODY EVER QUESTIONS WHERE THAT HOW THAT NUMBER EVER GOT THERE. THIS IS A FALSE HURDLE THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE. GOD KNOWS. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT THERE. BUT YOU MAY HAVE AN INSTANCE WHERE A PERSON MIGHT HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES 10 TIMES DURING THE YEAR, BUT HE'S DOING SO FOR THE RIGHT REASONS HIM OR HER DOING SO FOR THE RIGHT REASONS, AND IT COULD BE A NEIGHBOR, A PERSON THAT HAS A HOUSE NEXT TO THE MARINA MIGHT RECUSE THEMSELVES IF I COME BEFORE THE P AS A BOARD WITH A PROPOSAL THEY MIGHT RECUSE THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY CAN FEEL IT COULD BE A CONFLICT IN THEIR MIND. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER IS ROSENDO PACHECO, FOLLOWED BY LAURA HERNANDEZ. HI FOR THE RECORD. I'M ROSINA PACHECO, HAVING SPOKEN IN FIVE YEARS HERE. FIRST TIME THAT THING THAT I SPOKE ABOUT WAS SPORTS FOR THE KIDS, AND THIS

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NO ONE IS I'M GETTING CHARGED FOR LIGHTS. TO HAVE KIDS PLAY. AND I HAD THIS DISCUSSION. FIVE YEARS AGO. HOW WAS PROMISING HOW TO HELP? NO HELP CAME SO DO NOT GIVE THE NARRATIVE. IF YOU'RE NOT FROM INDIAN TOWN. YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT INDIAN TOWN. LET ME TELL YOU. IT'S A FORMER BUSINESS OWNER. BUSINESS OWNERS CARE MORE ABOUT INDIAN TOWN REGULAR FOLKS BECAUSE WE PAY MORE TAXES AND WE HAVE A THING. THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE COME TO OUR TOWN. MORE BUSINESSES. WE GET MORE MONEY.

IT'S SIMPLE, MORE PEOPLE COME MORE MONEY. SO ME AS A FORMER BUSINESS OWNER, THAT'S THE RULE NUMBER ONE YOU BRING IN MORE PEOPLE. YOU BRING IN MORE PARKS, MORE EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING IS BETTER. SO LET'S KEEP THE NARRATIVE OUT IF YOU'RE NOT FROM ANY IN TOWN. YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF JOHN. THAT IS NOT TRUE. I KNOW PLENTY OF GOOD PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT FROM MILLION CHANNELS. THEY CARE MORE ABOUT INDIAN TOWN THAT PEOPLE THAT'S BEEN LIVING HERE OUR LIVES.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LAURA HERNANDEZ, FOLLOWED BY A SPEAKER ON ZOOM CHRISTA. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LAURA HERNANDEZ. UM AGAIN. I'VE BEEN SPEAKING EVERY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE HAVE THIS TOPIC AND I'M WITH MR ANITA. SHE'S 100% RIGHT? BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE LIKE. MR PACHECO SAID. IT'S THE BUSINESS PEOPLE ONLY THEY CARE ABOUT INDIAN TOWN BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS THEY DON'T CARE BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE. THEY CARE BECAUSE IT'S BENEFITED THEM. MONEY IS GOING INTO THEIR POCKET. ONCE THEY LEAVE, THEY'RE GONE. THEY SELL THEIR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.

WHATEVER AND THEN THEY DON'T COME BACK. THEY DON'T LIVE HERE. WHERE STUCK WITH THE CONSEQUENCES SO BUSINESS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING INTO THE PC, A BOARD AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT WHAT THEY WANT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THEIR INPUT. SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY BE BOUGHT. I'M JUST SAYING BUT LIKE I DIDN'T FINISH THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT THE LORAX IT'S UM IT'S A CHRONICLE THING. WEIGHT OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE LORAX ATTILIO, TITULAR CHARACTER WHO SPEAKS FOR THE TREES AND CONFRONTS THE ONCE LER, A BUSINESS MAGNET WHO CAUSES ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. READ THE BOOK. WATCH THE MOVIE REFLECT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. THE INDIAN TOWN IS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN INDIAN TOWN. IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS HERE, AND IT'S IN THE BOUNDARIES, OKAY, YOUR INPUT IS LIKE WE JUST KEPT IT. BUT YOU CHOSE NOT TO BE PART OF INDIAN TOWN. IF YOU LIVE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES. YOU HAD THE DECISION . YOU THINK WE COULDN'T SUCCEED? AND NOW YOU WANT TO COME IN BECAUSE IT'S NOT BENEFITING YOUR BUSINESS. THAT'S A LITTLE OFF. THAT'S MY INPUT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS KRISTA MILEY VIA ZOOM. CRYSTAL, PLEASE A MUTE YOUR MIC AND GO AHEAD. FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS CHRIS TAMARI . MILEY GOOD, EVERYONE AND I WAS JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT ABOUT THE COUNCIL AND MAKING YOUR DECISION . I WOULD I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WILL KEEP THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND MINE. AND WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE THE RESIDENT FIRST. BUSINESS. SECOND I FEEL THAT THE PEOPLE GAY BOARD SHOULD BE A REPRESENTATION OF THE AS A WHOLE, WHERE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS PERSONS AND MY. I FEEL THAT IN ORDER, UM FOR THERE TO BE PROPER REPRESENTATION. THERE SHOULD BE AT A SPECIFIED NUMBER OF RESIDENTS. THAT WOULD REPRESENT THAT WOULD BE THE MAJORITY THAT SIT ON THIS BOARD.

AND WE SHOULD HAVE BUSINESS PEOPLE AS WELL SO THAT THESE DECISIONS ARE WELL ROUNDED DECISIONS. EACH OF YOU HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD TO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY AND

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WE'RE GONNA STAY IN A BUBBLE BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO OR WE ONLY CARE BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE BUBBLE. I DON'T THINK SO. A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK IN AND THEY SAY, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THAT MESS.

AND SOME OF THEM SAY YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO FIX THAT MISSED. SO YOU NEED THAT. THAT GAUGE OFE THAT DON'T WANT TO PUT THE TIME READING TO ME IS SUPER IMPORTANT . IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU CANNOT VOTE ON SOMETHING YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO KNOW WHAT IT IS ABOUT THEN, FOR MORE REASONS YOU SHOULD YIELD NOT WHETHER IT'S MONEY IN YOUR POCKET OR NOT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONETARY. SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE. DRAINAGE ISSUES. YOU DON'T RELY ON YOU KNOW IF LIKE PROFESSIONALS. THAT COULD EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT THE MATTER IS, OR YOU JUST GOING TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SO IT SHOULD WORK IT USED TO WORK. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT STILL DOES? NO I MEAN, WE WANT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO OUR TOWN. WE DON'T WANT TO. PUT OUR GATES UP AND SAY NO, WE'RE A LITTLE ISLAND AND WE DON'T NEED ANYBODY TO COME IN SWIMMING OR DRIVE IN. WE WON'T WE DON'T WANT THAT TRAFFIC. WE DON'T WANT NO AND AGAIN. WHAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE AS A GROUP. YOU MAKE A DECISION. YOU COLLABORATE. BRAINSTORM IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT. IT'S ALL THE SAME IDEA ACROSS THE BOARD. NO GROWTH. YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE MORE. YES, MADAM MAYOR SAMANTHA NEWKIRK. WE HAVE TO LOOK KIRK AGAIN. UM LOVE ME. HMM LIKE GUYS QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WANNA KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, WE ARE. WE ARE A SMALL TOWN. AND AS I SIT BACK, AND I LOOK I HAVE THIS GOING ON. WE CAN'T EVEN COME TOGETHER.

ALMOST NOTHING. IT'S WE GOTTA COME TOGETHER WITH SOMETHING YOU GUYS BECAUSE WE'RE DIVERSITY TOWN. AND THIS BOARD SHOULD BE DIVERSITY. YOU GOT. HAITIAN GUATEMALA, MEXICAN PUERTO RICAN BLACK WHITE. ALL THESE PEOPLE. AND. AND ALL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COACHES GOT BUSINESS. SO WHY CAN'T THE BOARD BE A DIVERSITY BOARD. JUST NOT JUST WITH YOU NEED ALL THESE SO THAT MAKES THE HATRED PEOPLE COME INTO JAMAICAN PEOPLE COME IN, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE TO FIND THESE PEOPLE. AND DO THESE THINGS WITH, BUT WE'RE THERE HERE. IT'S JUST THAT NOBODY SHOWS UP SO AND WHEN YOU SAY THE, UM WRITE ANOTHER LETTERS. IT'S GOOD. THEY DON'T MENTION THOSE LETTERS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT MAKES THEM WANT TO COME NOW. SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD NOT TO EVEN READ THEIR LETTERS.

I KNOW SOME PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE IT. BUT WHEN YOU CAN MAKE IT SOMETIMES TRY TO MAKE IT PLEASE TRY TO MAKE IT BECAUSE I GET OFF MY JOB AND I TRY TO COME SEE, I'M STILL IN UNIFORM. IT'S NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. I USED TO BE IN THE BED BY NOW BECAUSE I GET UP VERY EARLY. I'M JUST SAYING THAT I JUST WANT TO SEE ANY ACCOUNT WITH THE LOVE AGAIN BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE ALONE ALL MY LIFE. I KNOW I'M SERIOUS. I KNOW GOD, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH YOU FOR 20

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AND WE ALL CAN. WE CAN WORK THIS OUT. WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN SETTLE WE CAN. WE CAN AGREE ON SOME THINGS. SOMETIMES WE MIGHT NOT AGREE, BUT WE GOTTA WE GOTTA COME TOGETHER SOONER OR LATER, IF I HAVE TO RUN. AH, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, LIKE THE MAYOR, OKAY? OKAY? SO. WE HAVE A MOTION AS I UNDERSTAND IT. IT IS AS THE ORIGINAL PRESENTED WITH NO LIMITS ON RECUSALS. IS THAT YOUR MOTION? THAT WAS MY EMOTION ? OKAY, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY AND FOR THIS, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER HERNANDEZ. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER OF APOLLO YES, COUNCIL MEMBER PEREZ. YES, VICE MAYOR STONE. OKAY I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM ONE THING, SO IT'S BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT STAFF MENTIONED EXCEPT FOR THE LIMITATION AS FAR AS WE'RE CALLED CRUZ ALS. I MEAN, IT WAS HE WAS EVERYTHING THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DIRECTION PLUS REMOVING THE LIMITATION ON RECUSALS. OKAY, SO WHAT ABOUT NUMBER ONE AND TWO? NONE OF THE NONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE P C. A. B. OKAY? NO. AND MAYOR GIVES THOMAS YES. OKAY MOVING ON TO

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ORDINANCE NO. XX-2022: AN ORDINANCE OF THE VILLAGE OF INDIANTOWN, FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING THE TERRA LAGO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 190, FLORIDA STATUTES; CREATING AND NAMING THE DISTRICT; DESCRIBING THE EXTERNAL BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT; DESCRIBING THE FUNCTIONS AND POWERS OF THE DISTRICT; DESIGNATING FIVE PERSONS TO SERVE AS THE INITIAL MEMBERS OF THE DISTRICT'S BOARD OF SUPERVISORS; AND PROVIDING FOR A TITLE, FINDINGS, CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

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OKAY, SO SEEING THAT THERE IS NO , UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. SO DO WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS CONCERNS MOTION. SO WE GOT HIM. WE GOT EMOTIONAL READY.

OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. ON AGAIN. OKAY SO WE HAVE EMOTION WITH VICE MAYOR. SO WE HAVE A SECOND WITH, UM COUNCIL MEMBER HERNANDEZ. SEEMS LIKE WE THAT'S PRETTY OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. BY. PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND BEING HERE. OKAY

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Mobility Plan

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEES, OKAY, OKAY, SO YOU AND I IF CORRECT ME IF I AM I'M WRONG, PLEASE. MY UNDERSTANDING IN LISTENING TO ALL THAT THAT THERE WAS A IT WAS STATED THAT THERE'S IMPACT FEES. WILL BE TAKEN FROM MARTIN COUNTY , AND THEN WE'LL GO TO US. NO NO , NO. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD, AND I BELIEVE AND I BELIEVE WE WERE TRYING TO GET. UM WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE MR PAUL JONATHAN PAUL ON ON ZOOM TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THIS, BUT I'LL I'LL PINCH IT AND SEE WHAT I CAN DO. UM SO BASICALLY WHAT WHAT JONATHAN LAID OUT AT THE LAST MEETING THE VARIOUS OPTIONS WERE WE ABLE TO REACH HIM? YEAH. HE WAS THE OPTIONS YET THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU ALL RIGHT, AND THERE THERE ARE SPECTRUMS WITHIN ALL OF THESE, BUT THE THREE BASIC ONCE, UM START WITH THE EASY ONE. YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING . YOU DON'T IMPOSE THEM ABILITY FOR YOU OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS THAT THAT COME WITH IMPOSING A, UM. MOBILITY FEE IS, UM, IS TO FOLLOW EITHER. I THINK HE WAS

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BASICALLY ONE IS TO IMPOSE A MOBILITY FEE AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE MARTIN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE. ADVISE MARTIN COUNTY. THAT THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN WILL NO LONGER REQUIRE THE PAIN OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE VILLAGE. THE PAYMENT OF THE MARTIN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT AS A CONDITION OF DEVELOPMENT. WE WOULD REQUIRE ALL THE PAYMENT OF ALL OTHER COUNTY IMPACT PHASE. BUT NOT THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT. THE REASON BEING IS THE MOBILITY PLAN AND MOBILITY FEE IS DESIGNED TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS THAT ARE BEING CREATED BY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN INDIAN TOWN. BOTH IMPACTS WITHIN THE VILLAGE AND IMPACTS TO COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE VILLAGE AND AROUND THE VILLAGE.

OKAY SO THAT'S ONE OPTION. THAT OPTION, BUT THAT'S ONE OPTION. THE OTHER OPTION IS TO AS HE POINTED OUT, GO AROUND THAT MODELS. WHAT PORTS ST LUCIE AND ST LUCIE COUNTY RECENTLY ARRIVED AT IN RECENT MONTHS. THIS BATTLE IS GOING ON ALL OVER THE STATE. I WILL JUST TELL YOU THIS THIS PUSH AND PULL OVER TRANSPORTATION, IMPACT FEES, MOBILITY FEES AND SO ON BETWEEN MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES IS PLAYING OUT IN VARIOUS WAYS. THERE'S OTHER MODEL IS THERE IN ST LUCIE COUNTY IMPORT ST LUCIE, WHERE PORTS. ST LUCIE INITIALLY CAME IN AND PROPOSED TO DO EXACTLY THE FIRST THING I JUST SAID ALL RIGHT, AND THEN THAT PROMPTED NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THERE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. AND THAT ULTIMATELY ARRIVED AT A DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENT WHERE IT WAS NOT. WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETELY EXCLUDED. IT WAS INSTEAD, A NEGOTIATED REDUCTION.

OF THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES WITHIN THAT CITY. ALONG WITH THE UM. CITIES IMPLEMENTATION OF THEIR MOBILITY FEE. OKAY SO IT'S EITHER A SUPPLANTING OR IT'S A.

NEGOTIATION REDUCTION ON THE COUNTY SIDE. PUT SOME, UH, PUT A MOBILITY FEE OF SOME AMOUNT IN FOR OUR SIDE SO THAT A PORTION IS BEING DIRECTED TO THE VILLAGE TO ADDRESS VILLAGE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. SO, UM. ULTIMATELY IN DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS, IT COULD GO ONE DIRECTION, THEN ULTIMATELY ANOTHER AS IT DID IN PORT ST LUCIE, ST LUCIE COUNTY AND WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS OBVIOUSLY VERY UPFRONT IN PUBLIC MEETINGS , EVEN THOUGH THESE THERE ARE GREAT MATTERS OF STRATEGY WITH REGARD TO THIS AND SO ON. BUT THIS IS THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS. SO, UM THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE OPTIONS. AND I THINK OR HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO GET JONATHAN YET? BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT LEAVING ANY PIECES OUT OF THE DIRECTION. HE SAW THAT HERE. WE NEED IT. IT'S TRYING TO SEND HIM THE LINK. OH, I SEE. OKAY, SO WHAT WE WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW IS WE NEED SOME GUIDANCE. UH, FROM THE COUNCIL OF WHERE YOU ALL WOULD LIKE. TO GO. IN THE DIRECTIONS OF THIS SO MY QUESTION FURTHER IS, UM, HAVE WE STARTED TALKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS? BECAUSE I KNOW THE COUNTY AND STEWART HAS A NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT, SO WHY THEY SEEM APPARENTLY, UM FAVORABLE TO DOING THAT. IT'S HAPPENED. YOU KNOW, ONCE ALREADY WITHIN THE COUNTY, HAVE WE STARTED THAT PROCESS? YES WE MET WITH THE COUNTY STAFF. OKAY MAD MYSELF. THE ATTORNEY. WE MET WITH THEIR ADMINISTRATOR AND THEIR ATTORNEY AND WE EXPLAINED WHAT WE WERE DOING. AND, UM, AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE A POSITION. EITHER WAY. THEY JUST HURT HURT US OUT AND WE TOLD THAT WE'D BE PROCEEDING WITH OUR PLAN, WHICH IS TO ADOPT, BUT THAT'S ALL TO ADOPT THE PLAN AND THE FEE, BUT THAT'S ALL WE'VE DONE. SO JONATHAN'S ONLINE NOW. AND IN OUR CONSULTANT WAS THERE AS WELL. SO OKAY, SO OUR PLAN IS TO MOVE FORWARD, ADOPT THE STUDY.

AND DID YOU SAY ADOPT THE FEE? YES. SO IS THAT THE FIRST OPTION THAT WE WOULD ADOPT THE FEE? CORRECT AND THAT IS THAT WHAT WE ADVISED? THE COUNTY AT THAT TIME. I WAS BACK IN JUNE. WE

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STEWART HAS TO BE SPENT BY THE COUNTY EITHER WITHIN THE CITY OF STEWART OR WITHIN A RADIUS. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE RADIUS WAS MILE TWO MILES. WHAT HAVE YOU THOSE ARE THE TWO BASIC THINGS. THAT AGREEMENT DOES. WE EXPRESSED AS I RECALL IN THAT DISCUSSION, WE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN KNOWING. WHERE MARTIN COUNTY'S LATEST RENEGOTIATIONS WERE WITH STUART BECAUSE IT WAS WE HAD COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT MARTIN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF STEWART WERE WORKING THROUGH SOME RENEGOTIATIONS OF THAT RIGHT NOW. JUST TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT ALL THE OPTIONS MIGHT BE. SO. IF WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF ADOPTING FEES.

HAVE WE. MADE SURE THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY IN BEING PROACTIVE AND PURSUING NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE COUNTY. SO WE DON'T BECAUSE IF WE JUST IMPOSED THE MOBILITY FEED NUMBER ONE THEN THERE IS NO REDUCTION OF ANYTHING FOR ALL RESIDENTS FOR THAT FOR THAT PERMITTING PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T WENT AHEAD AND SAID OKAY , MARTIN COUNTY WE'RE NOT TELLING MARTIN COUNTY WE'RE NOT GONNA WE'RE NOT GONNA, UM UM RECEIVE THEIR FEE ANYMORE WHEN WE'RE NOT TELLING IT, SO WE'RE JUST ADDING ON TO WANT THE PERMIT PROCESSES. CORRECT WITH THAT FIRST ONE. LET ME LET ME CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE PART PART OF WHAT WE SHARED WITH COUNTY STAFF IS, UM UM, IS IF WE CONTINUED ON THE INITIAL PATH THAT THAT WE HAD HAD FROM PRIOR DISCUSSION PRIOR GUIDANCE ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS THEM MOBILITY PLAN AND SO ON. UM THAT IT WOULD BE THE CASE. THAT WE WOULD STOP. REQUIRING THAT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN INDIAN TOWN. SHOW EVIDENCE OF PAYMENT OF THE COUNTY IMPACT FEE. I WILL TELL YOU AS A PRACTICAL MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHEN MUNICIPALITIES DO THAT. COUNTIES WILL TRY TO COLLECT IT, BY OTHER MEANS, OKAY, BECAUSE THE VILLAGE CARRIES THE BIG STICK WE CAN REFUSE TO ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS, AND IT'S PERMITTED UNDER THE IMPACT THE STATUTE WE CAN REFUSE TO ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS. UNTIL WE HAVE EVIDENCE, ALL IMPACT FEES HAVE BEEN PAID. ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS DONE AND AGAIN. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE MAKING UP. THIS IS THIS IS WHAT MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT FOLLOWED THIS PATH HAVE DONE. IS TO SAY THAT IMPACT THEY THAT WE ARE NOW GOING TO BE, UM OFFSETTING ALL OF THE IMPACTS OF THIS ISSUE, TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY UM, WE ARE NO LONGER GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT PAY THAT AS A CONDITION OF ISSUING A BUILDING PERMIT. OKAY, SO WE HAVE SHARED THAT IF WE PROCEED THROUGH TO COMPLETION ON THIS, THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN. THAT IS WHY WE'RE TALKING TO YOU. NOW WE NEED DIRECTION. AS. TO WHICH PLAN SHOULD WE PURSUE FOR THE VILLAGE AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY? OKAY WELL, I PERSONALLYE APPROACH IN ORDER TO NEGOTIATE RATHER THAN BEING REACTIVE AND UM. DON'T SAY COMBATIVE, BUT VERY, UM CONFRONTATIONAL. I MEAN , I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO

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YOU KNOW? THEN GO EITHER WAY. THE GOAL IS TO PALM BEACH COUNTY. IT'S STILL IN THE VILLAGE SOMETHING IF IT GOES THE OTHER WAY STILL IN THE COUNTY, SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH THE COUNTY AND WE NEED TO FIND A NEUTRAL GROUND. I THINK THE COUNTY WANTS THE VILLAGE TO SUCCEED WITH ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAVE HAD WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE OVER THERE. IN HIGH PLACES. EVERY ONE OF THEM. I WANT TO SEE INDIAN TOWN SUCCEED. IF WE ARE GOING TO SUCCEED, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. THIS IS A START. SOO JUST TABLE IT. AND GO TALK TO THE COUNTY. THEY KNOW WHERE WE STAND. THEY KNOW WHAT WE NEED.

OKAY? AND LET'S LET'S COME TO AN AGREEMENT. EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WITH. THAT WILL SAVE US MONEY IN THE LONG RUN. BECAUSE THIS MOBILITY STUDY IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO COST US MONEY FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE AND SOME OTHER MODULE AND SOME OTHER PIECE OF PUZZLE THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN PLACE. SO IF WE CAN GET WITH THE COUNTY. SIT DOWN, NEGOTIATED HACK IT OUT. MHM AND NOT JUST ON THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

OTHER THINGS ALSO, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOBILITY PLANS SPECIFICALLY SO THAT'S WHAT MY DIRECTION IS. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE BECAUSE WE'RE JUST SPENDING MONEY AND FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT? I MEAN, WE MIGHT END UP WITH DEAL WITH THE COUNTY. AND MEANWHILE, WE'RE PAYING SOMEBODY'S COLLEGE TUITION WHEN WE SHOULD BE PAYING THE VILLAGES, COLLEGE TUITION.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND. AND, UH HOPEFULLY, THE REST OF YOU SEE IT MY WAY. OKAY REAL QUICKLY IF I MAY, UM THE COST THAT YOU SAID THE 100 WHATEVER. AND THEN WE HAD THE GRANT. HAVE WE ALREADY PAID THAT OR IS WE'VE GOT TO PAY MORE. NO, NO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT TO EXCEED CONTRACT. THERE'S NO MORE MONEY, OKAY? YEAH OKAY, SO THAT'S A SET THEM OUT. HAVE WE ALREADY PAID THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING? WE'VE BEEN PAYING ALL THIS YEAR. OKAY? YES. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, COUSIN VINNY, THAT'LL GO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE VILLAGE FOR A FRACTION OF THAT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. UH SO MY WHOLE THING IS YOU GUYS BASICALLY ALREADY TALKED TO COUNTY STAFF, RIGHT? AND YOU GOT NO FEEDBACK. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. NO FEEDBACK . NO, NO POSITION WAS TAKEN.

HAVE YOU GUYS TALKED TO LIKE COMMISSIONER JENKINS? NO, NO, WE WERE. THIS IS STAFF LEVEL DISCUSSIONS IMPAIRED? YEAH. AND THERE'S COMMISSION JENKINSON, YOU YIELD OR YOU OKAY, SO I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THIS. I HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. HMM. I HEARD KIND OF THE THAT THERE WASN'T THAT WE HAVEN'T ENTERED IN ANY TYPE OF NEGOTIATION. WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION. SO I GOT TWO POINTS. ONE IS WHEN DID YOU HAVE THIS CONVERSATION? BECAUSE WE WERE UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP NOW BACK IN JUNE IN JUNE, SO THAT WAS UNDER TERRENCE TUTELAGE. SO NOW WE'RE UNDER DON, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROGRAM GOING ON RIGHT COMMISSIONERS WHO WE MET, WE MET WITH DAWN. OKAY WELL DONS IN CHARGE. NOW HE'S NOT WORKING UNDER TERRENCE. SO. IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. I'M JUST SITTING HERE. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS IS YOU'RE GOING TO PASS SOMETHING. TO PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTY, WHICH IS WHY I SIT HERE. THROUGH EVERY ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS AND TRY TO BE THE LIAISON. BETWEEN YOUR

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BEFORE YOU PASS SOMETHING, FOR GOD'S SAKES, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT THAT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE WE OUGHT TO GET THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. RIGHT? DON WAS AN ENGINEER. THIS IS RIGHT UP HIS ALLEY. SO AND HE'S NOW OUR LEADER. SO. IT WILL BE MY IDEA TO KIND OF TAP THE BRAKES ON THIS AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE WE DO SOMETHING, RIGHT? OKAY, THAT'S JUST ME. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT FROM OUR ZOOM? YOU LOOK AT IT. UH SO JUST TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT I WAS SAYING. AS FAR AS STEWARDESS, BASICALLY NEGOTIATING WITH THE COUNTY AT THIS POINT AM I RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW. YEAH I HAVEN'T CHECKED IN ON THE VERY LATEST OF THE STATUS OF THE OF THAT NEGOTIATION LATELY. OKAY SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS MAYBE WE CAN YOU KNOW, KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THE DEAL THAT STEWART'S GETTING OR NEGOTIATING. AND MAYBE WE COULD TRY TO GET THE SAME THING THAT THEY'RE AFTER. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. THE ONLY SUGGESTION I WOULD HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, LIKE COMMISSIONER JUST MENTIONED HE NEEDS TO BE AT THE TABLE AND REALLY BE THERE TO SHEPHERD. THIS WHOLE NEGOTIATION IN THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. OKAY. I THINK THE STAFF IS BOUND BY PRESIDENT BY WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND SO IT'LL TAKE MAYBE THE MAYOR AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALL GET IN THE ROOM AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT ALL THIS. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HERNANDEZ? OR COUNCIL MEMBER PEREZ. NOT AT THIS TIME, MADAM MAYOR, OKAY? OKAY SO DO YOU THINK YOU GOT DIRECTION? YOU HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, OKAY? OH OKAY. SPEAKERS. BARBARA CLOUDINESS. OKAY? THANK YOU. AND SCOTT. MY NAME IS BARBARA CLOUD IS AND YOU'RE NOT TALKING INTO YOUR MIKE. SO, UM. I WAS GOING TO SAY MUCH OF WHAT COMMISSIONER , JENKINS SAID, BECAUSE DON DONALDSON IS AN ENGINEER. HE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO NAVIGATE THIS. BUT ONE THING IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT AN ADDITIONAL FEE ON TOP OF OUR DEVELOPERS HAVING TO BUILD HOUSES. OR ELSE WE CAN FORGET EVER HAVING HOUSES THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO BUY. WE'VE GOT TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE IN FAVOR OF A MOBILITY PLAN. WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT THREE YEARS AGO. BUT IT DIDN'T GET FUNDED BECAUSE IT WAS 2.1 MILLION TO DO THE PROJECT. HAVEN'T ALL I KNOW IS WHAT IT IS NOW. BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY RIGHT A VOICE. THERE'S A WHOLE WHOLE. BUNCH OF MOVING PARTS TO A MOBILITY PLAN. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT. THAT. WITHOUT NEGOTIATING THIS IN ADVANCE. YOU'RE GONNA WIND UP IN COURT.

SO IF EVER THERE NEEDED TO BE A WORKSHOP. THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT REQUIRES A WORKSHOP FOR YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN INVITE DON DONALD, SENATE COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND OTHER PEOPLE INTO THE SAME ROOM AND GET EVERYTHING OUT IN THE OPEN. SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT STOP NEXT SPEAKER SCOTT WATSON. SCOTT WATSON. FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD, UH SECOND WITH HAROLD SAID BARBARA SAID IT BUT I WOULD ADD THIS. HEARD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT OR NOT SPENT, YOU SAID, IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS. STOP THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW. WHATEVER HAS BEEN BUILT TO DATE.

STOP IT RIGHT THERE. YOU'VE GOT A PLAN, WHICH IS GREAT. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH PLANNING. BUT F THIS THING AND EVERYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES. YOU HAVE TO PROVE THE NEED OR WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING AND THE COUNTY WHEN IT SETS THOSE IMPACT THAT HE HAS TO PROVE THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PROVING OF THAN WHAT THIS BOARD MIGHT APPROVE IS A FEE GOING FORWARD FOR A MONTH FOR THE MOBILITY

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