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AND, UH, CALLED TO ORDER. THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN PLANNING AND ZONING, AN APPEALS BOARD MEETING FOR JUNE 3RD 2021, THE TIME IS 6 18. UM LOCAL SHERIFF'S A. HAYEK. YEAR, VICE CHAIR PALMER MHM. PRESIDENT. BOARD MEMBER BARRY HERE. BOARD MEMBER MILEY FOUR MEMBER, PRESSLER HERE. BOARD MEMBERS WHINER HERE. PLEASE LET THE RECORD REFLECT THE BOARD MEMBER LOPEZ IS NOT PRESENT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE TO BLACK. STATES OF AMERICA. REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION. INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PROBLEM. NEXT IS APPROVAL OF AGENDA. WE HAVE TO. WE HAVE TO OPEN UP FOR
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PUBLIC COMMENT. OR BOARD DISCUSSION. DISCUSSIONS. IS THERE ANY BOARD DISCUSSION ON THE APPROVAL OF THE OF THE AGENDA? FROM FROM LESS FROM LAST MEETINGS. HEALTHY. I WAS HOPING WE COULD JUST ASK FOR A FEW MORE THINGS. I THINK I SENT YOU IN. EMAIL. I'M SORRY. YES I RESPONDED. THE MINUTES ARE PREPARED BY THE VILLAGE CLERKS OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MINUTES. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE AGENDA. OH, I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THE AGENDA. THEY JUST ASKED IF WE WANTED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. AND DID WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? AND I REMEMBER THE EMAIL THAT I SENT TO YOU, BUT I HAVEN'T PULLED IT UP YET. APOLOGIES I RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS FROM YOU. I DIDN'T SEE WANTED OUT THE AGENDA WAS AN EXCITING DAY. DO YOU RECALL OFFHAND WHAT THOSE ITEMS WERE? UM GIVE ME A SECOND AND I PROMISE I'LL LOOK IT UP. THINK IT WAS HEADLINE NATIVE AMERICAN. NATIVE AMERICAN MOUNDS. AND I WAS THINKING THAT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT CAME UP AT OUR LAST ZONING MEETING ARE LESS PCB MEETING. CAN I CAN I JUST ASK YOU JUST BEFORE YOU GO INTO THAT IS THIS REGARDING THE NO, NO, NO, NO. NO TRACTOR SUPPLY IN THE 37 ACRES. WELL, THIS IS REGARDING A DISCUSSION THAT AROSE AT THE LAST MEETING.INVOLVING THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE MIGHT BE ARTIFACTS. SO WAIT IF YOU COULD JUST ASSIST ME BECAUSE WE GOT A PHONE CALL TODAY AND THE, UH, SHERIFF CAME OUT. YEAH, LET'S KIM. CAN I SUGGEST THE AGENDA. THE AGENDA IS AS IT'S PRESENTED TO YOU, AND IT'S BEEN NOTED AS IT'S BEEN NOTICED TO THE PUBLIC. UM, IF DESPAIR YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE EMAIL WITH A GREAT NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE. WITH THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD. I'D SUGGEST PERHAPS SOME OF THESE THINGS. YOU COULD RAISE QUESTIONS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD AT THAT TIME, OKAY. THANK YOU. DID YOU? I DIDN'T. I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO KNOW? DANIEL? I'M SORRY. I'M FINE, OKAY? JUST NEED A MOTION FOR APPROVAL IN A SECOND, OKAY? JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE WE GOT A PHONE CALL, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT WAS GOOD. YEAH. I'D BE HAPPY TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSED AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. I CAN'T REMEMBER BARRY. THEIR SECOND. BERNSTEIN, PALMER, SECOND AND. EARNESTINE.
THANK YOU. UM, DO I REMOVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, PROBABLY ANY DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD? RIGHT? ROLL CALL. REMEMBER BARRY HERE? REMEMBER MILEY BOARD MEMBER PRESSLER? YES FOUR MEMBERS MINOR HERE. YES. VICE CHAIR, PALMER. YEAH. YES. CHEERS A HAYEK. YES SUSAN. I'M SORRY. I MEANT YES. THAT'S OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES
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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND APPEALS BOARD MEETING OF MAY 20TH 2021. YOUR EMOTION. I'VE EARNED A STATE PALMER, WHOSE GET THE MINUTES OF. LAST MONTH MEETING BE ACCEPTED. WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY CORRECTION. YES, COUNCIL MEMBER BERRY. IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT I HAD SOME EDITIONS I THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR DO YOU WANNA IS THERE? IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? I DON'T BELIEVE OKAY. NOW, PLEASE, AS A GOD. I'M SORRY, BERNSTEIN. I SHOULD HAVE SAID IT EARLIER. I DID HAVE ONE SECTION ON THE MINUTES TALKS ABOUT. WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THE MONUMENT MIGHT BLOCK TRAFFIC. WE WEREN'T CONCERNED THAT IT MIGHT BLOCK TRAFFIC. WE WERE CONCERNED THAT IT MIGHT BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE TRACK. OKAY? AND THEN. MUCH FARTHER ON THAT ON THE DOCUMENT TOWARDS THE END. IT SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF MEMBER BARRY RESCINDED HER. REQUEST OR HER PROPOSED CONDITION OR SOMETHING. AND I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE NICE TO MENTION THAT IT WAS DIRECTOR JEFFERSON, WHO BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC RULES. GUIDING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP IN THAT PARAGRAPH. AND ALSO THAT REPRESENTATIVE, UM. DON'T I'M SORRY. I DON'T RECALL HIS NAME FROM TRACTOR SUPPLY. WAS ABLE TO STATE THAT WHAT I HAD READ.I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS SIMPLE WHEN I SENT IT TO YOU. I JUST MADE IT SIMPLE. UM. THAT, UM. I RECALLED MY CONDITIONS THAT I WANTED TO SET ABOUT. THE TREES BECAUSE HE TOLD US. ABOUT THE TYPE OF TREES HE EXPANDED UPON THE TYPE OF TREES. AND DIRECTOR. JEFFERSON ALSO TOLD US THAT WE HAD NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER OVER THE VILLAGE TREE FUND. SO I TOLD HER I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. SO THOSE JUST TWO SHORT THINGS. I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT. FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THOSE TWO THINGS. HAPPENED TO THINK I'M THREE THINGS, BUT I'M HAPPY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE THAT. IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. I HAVE THREE THINGS FROM YOU THE VIEW OF THE TRAFFIC. ADDING UM. WHAT ALFIE, A NOTED ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICAN BURIAL GROUNDS AND WHAT THE TRACTOR SUPPLY REPRESENTATIVE SAID. THE THREE THINGS. IT'S UP TO THE BOARD IF THEY WANT TO ADD THAT TO THE MINUTES OR NOT. WHAT IS IT THAT THE TRACTOR SUPPLY REPRESENTATIVES SAID THE THIRD ITEM, UH, THAT IT WOULD NOT BE PALM TREES BUT SLASH PINE LIVE OAKS I FIRST FLORIDA, HOLLY AND ONE OTHER SPECIES. THEN ALFIE A NOTED THAT THE PEACE TO BE HAD NO CONTROL OVER THE VILLAGE TREE FUND THAT IT WAS ENTIRELY CONTROLLED BY THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. I'M SORRY. THE MOTION IS TO JUST AMENDMENT TO ADD THAT BURBAGE, OKAY? THIS IS THE STAFF. YEAH. THAT OKAY WITH THE STAFF FROM TO ADD THAT THERE. WE CAN ADD THAT THERE. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. IT'S UP TO THE BOARD IF THEY CHOOSE TO APPROVE THAT. OR NOT, OKAY, WHAT WAS LACKING IN IT JUST TO UNDERSTAND THOSE THREE ITEMS. AND I DO BELIEVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR WAS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH ANY NECESSARY CORRECTIONS. YES, IT WAS OKAY.
CAN WE GET A. SARAH MOTION TO AH, APPROVED THE MINUTES WITH THOSE MODIFICATIONS. WE HAVE THE MOTION WITH MODIFICATIONS, OKAY? I'LL SECOND TO APPROVE WITH MODIFICATIONS. THANK YOU.
PUBLIC COMMENT. YOUR ARMS? YEAH. UH, OPEN TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. NO DISCUSSION. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. BOARD MEMBER BARRY? YES. REMEMBER MILEY? YES. FOR MEMBER PRESSLER. YES.
BOARD MEMBERS WHINER. HIS CHAIR, PALMER. YES. HERE SO HIGH? YES. THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS TO ADDING AN INVOCATION SECTION TO THE AGENDA. KNOW
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PALMER MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD A VOCATION TO THE BEGINNING OF OUR SECOND THE MOTION. THANK YOU. OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. EVERYONE NEEDS. REPUBLICAN ANY DISCUSSION FROM FROM THE BOARD? YES I WOULD OBJECT TO THAT. OKAY? I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE. OKAY AND RELATED TO OUR WORK. OKAY, SO I WOULD OBJECT. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO, UH, CHINA AND. AS A TWO WHETHER WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT HAVE IT. YES. AND I FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE IN LINE WITH OUR PLEDGE TO THE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. I FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. CAN I JUST ASK THE STAFF? IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S DONE ELSEWHERE? GO AHEAD. IT'S SOMETHING I AGREE WITH. GO AHEAD JUST SAID THAT I AGREE WITH THAT FIRST. COULD HAVE OCT IMPLICATION, PRAYER AND EVEN THE MEDIA HAVE FOR I'M SOMETHING TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WOULDN'T BE. YEAH.BECAUSE YOU JUST REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME. I'M SORRY. I AGREE WITH. I'M NOT FROM. I'M NOT SURE WHO MADE THIS STATEMENT THAT WE SHOULD HAPPEN. AND I AGREE WITH. YOU SHOULD DO AT THE HALF APPLICATION. WE HAVE BEEN TO DEFECTIVE ALLEGIANCE AND EVEN OUR COUNCIL AFTER THE IMPLICATION THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE BOARD? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THIS IS A GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION, NOT A RELIGIOUS FUNCTION, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE. I RESPECT THAT. ANYBODY ELSE OR.
ANYBODY ELSE? NO. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED IS SAYING. SO I'M HOPING THAT THE INDICATIONS CAN BE MORE GENERIC. RATHER THAN. ASSUMING THAT IT'S YOUR GOD OR MY GOD, OR YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO MORE GENERIC INVOCATION, OKAY? WOULD. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT UH, USUALLY JUST DOESN'T YOU KNOW, FOLLOW. THAT'S JUST KIND OF A FINE LINE. AND I THINK THAT ONCE YOU'VE CROSSED THAT LINE, YOU CROSSED IT. THERE ARE PLENTY OF MEETING SIMILAR TO THIS THAT DON'T HAVE AN INVOCATION. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. IT'S NOT RELATED. UM AND, UM ANYWAY, I JUST DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE, OKAY? RESPECT THAT. SO THE NEXT IS, UH. IS THERE A MOTION OR I GUESS WE DO A ROLL CALL. I HAVE EMOTION IN A SECOND. TWO. TO ADD AN INVOCATION SECTION TO THE AGENDA, OK? OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN. WITH ALL THE COMMENT, MR CHAIR DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD. BROKE ALL REMEMBER, BARRY? YES.
REMEMBER MILEY YES. BOARD MEMBER PRESSLER. NO. BOARD MEMBERS WHINER. YES. CHAIR PALMER. YES. SHERIFF'S A. HAYEK. I'M GOING TO SAY YES. AND IF. COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST SOME ITEM AT A LATER TIME TO MAKE IT. GENERIC OR TO ACCOMMODATE ALL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW TO ADD SOMETHING TO OF THAT NATURE. I'M GOING TO SAY YES WITH THAT CONDITION IS THAT FINE WITH THE MAKER IN THE SECOND HOUR OF THE MOTION? I'M FINE WITH ME. SECONDED IT. WHAT IF YOU MOVE TO A MOMENT OF SILENCE RATHER THAN AN INVOCATION? I DISAGREE WITH THE MOMENT OF SILENCE. THERE'S A ARE YOU OKAY? VICE CHAIR WITH MAKING THE INVOCATION MORE GENERIC. I'M GOING TO LET THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SPEAK. BELIEVE WE HAVE A COMMENT CARD COMING IN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NAME IS SUSAN GIBBS. THOMAS. I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN INDIAN TOWN. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FIRST OF ALL EXPRESS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE COMMENTS ON
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THIS. ALSO ONCE EMOTION IS MADE AND SECONDED. IT I THINK IT'S PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE TO GO AHEAD AND UM. TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. DO THE ROAD CALL ON THAT. ALSO THE SUPREME COURT HAS UPHELD PRAYER AT GOVERNMENT. MEETINGS AND GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS. YOUR COUNCIL HAS AN INVOCATION. AT ITS MEETING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THEY HAVE CHAPLAINS, AND THEY HAVE PRAYER BEFORE THERE BEFORE THEIR MEETINGS. I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT OUR NATION WAS FOUNDED ON, AND I APPRECIATE BEING INCLUSIVE, I DON'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE A POLICY AS TO EXACTLY AND THESE ARE JUST AS A RESIDENT. MY THOUGHTS IT SHOULD BE INCLUSIVE. AND THE PERSON. I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE YOU COULD HAVE A RABBI. COME IN. YOU COULD HAVE, UM, A UNITARIAN. COME IN. YOU COULD HAVE A PRESBYTERIAN COME IN. YOU COULD HAVE YOU KNOW A BAPTIST COME IN NON DENOMINATIONAL. YOU COULD ASK DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO THE INVOCATION. THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS, AND I APPRECIATE THE GUIDANCE IN OUR INFANCY IN THIS BOARD. GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF YOU KNOW, WISDOM, SO I DO APPRECIATE IT. SO SHOULD WE RUN THE ROLL CALL AGAIN? YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. OKAY, SO I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN. TO, UM I'M JUST SAY IT CORRECTLY HERE. NOBODY OWNS HIM. SAY THAT AGAIN. NO ONE'S ON ZOOM, MR CHAIR. NO ONE IS ON ZOOM. NO PUBLIC COMMENT, OKAY? UM. THE CHAIRMAN. WHAT WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? ADDING AN INVOCATION SECTION TO THE AGENDA. I THOUGHT YOU ALREADY HAD A VOTE ON THAT WE DID. BUT THE LAST COMMENT WAS TO POSSIBLY MAKE IT GENERIC. AND SO THAT CHANGED THE MOTION. AND I WAS ASKING IF THEY'VE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND THE SECOND WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT. UH HUH. YEAH. I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND AGAINST GETTING INTO RESTRICTING THE SPEECH OF FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING AT THE MEETING. WHICH IS IN FACT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE SAYING HOW GENERIC A PRAYER IS GOING TO BE, UM, I'D RECOMMEND STRONGLY AGAINST THAT AS A AS AN ADOPTED POLICY.I WILL TELL YOU AS A PRACTICAL MATTER THAT IT TENDS TO BE. WHAT YOU FIND AT LOCAL GOVERNMENT MEETING THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT IT USED IN THAT DIRECTION. I'D RECOMMEND MAKING THAT A HARD REQUIREMENT. OKAY I'M GONNA I'M GONNA WE'RE HERE TO WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO MR THE ATTORNEY THERE SO. DO WE RE APPROVED THE MOTION OR WHAT IS THE NEXT THING WE'RE GOOD THEN? AS LONG AS YOU AS LONG AS YOU'RE REMOVING YOUR REQUEST TO MAKE IT GENERIC, THEN WE'RE GOOD. I REMOVED MY REQUEST. YES OKAY. THANK YOU FOR EDUCATING US. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. NEXT IS
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THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. THIS IS A PRESENTATION ON AN INTRODUCTION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS. GOOD EVENING. IF SOME OF YOU MAY WANT TO TURN AROUND, I KNOW THE SCREEN IS BEHIND YOU, AND WE'LL MAKE IT AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE. IF THE DEPUTY CLERK WOULDN'T MIND PUTTING THE PRESENTATION AND PRESENTATION MODE. JUST DON'T TURN THEM OFF ALL THE LAKERS, THEN I CAN'T TYPE. GOOD EVENING. I'M ALFIE A JEFFERSON. I'M YOUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND TONIGHT I WILL BE SPEAKING TO YOU NEXT SLIDE. ON I'M CALLING THIS PAINTING'S OWNING AN APPEALS BOARD ONE. OH, ONE WORKSHOP SESSION. AND WHAT WILL BE COVERING TODAY ARE SOME ITEMS THAT YOU LIKELY RECALL FROM YOUR VERY FIRST MEETING.WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT DECISION MAKING. TYPES OF DECISIONS THAT CAN BE MADE THE BASIS FOR THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE AND THEN SPECIFICALLY TO OUR CODE PLANNING, ZONING AND APPEALS BOARD DECISIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS HERE IN THE VILLAGE OF INDIAN TOWN. NEXT SLIDE. YEAH. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. CASE LAW, STATE LAWS AND OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES INCLUSIVE OF. THE L
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D R, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LIMITED TO THAT. NEXT SLIDE. SO. I THINK THAT WAS SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STATE LAWS, I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SLIDE AND THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT AT THE VERY TOP. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE STATE. AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT YOU HAVE AGENCIES THAT PLAN, UH, WATER PLANNING. WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION NEXT SLIDE. WE HAVE. SO HERE'S YOUR WATER SUPPLY. UM, WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND WE'RE IN THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE THE UM F D O T DISTRICT MAPS. WE ARE IN DISTRICT FOUR AND THERE IS A TRANSPORTATION PLANNED FOR THE ENTIRE STATE NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT ARE CALLED REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCILS, AND THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS FOR THE. THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE THERE AND WE'RE IN THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AREA. SO THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAS A REGIONAL POLICY PLAN. AND WE'RE PART OF THAT NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE COUNTY HAS ITS OWN.COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN WE DRAW DOWN TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WHICH SHOWS INDIAN TOWN AS PART OF THE COUNTY, AND WE HAVE OUR OWN. PLANS POLICIES THAT WE HAVE FOR HERE IN THE VILLAGE AND HOW WE DEVELOP NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT BRINGS US TO AT THE VERY BOTTOM LEVEL YOUR LOCAL ORDINANCES. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VILLAGE, WE'VE DRILLED EVERYTHING DOWN OUR PLAN. WOULD INCLUDE ANYTHING FROM THE STATE LEVEL IN ANY CASE LINE WHEN I SAY CASE LAW THAT THESE ARE CASES THAT ACTUALLY WENT TO COURT AND BASED ON THE. THE DETERMINATION OF THE JUDGE. THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE BASED ON SOME OF THESE CASE LAWS. NEXT SLIDE. SO REMEMBER THIS. WE'RE BACK AT THAT POINT WHERE WE'RE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, AND WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHICH WAS ADOPTED TWO YEARS AGO. AND THEN WE HAVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR THE VILLAGE, WHICH WERE ADOPTED LAST NOVEMBER. NEXT SLIDE. AND SO IS MY PREFERENCE FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND. AND WAIT IF I GO AWRY, JUST FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AT ANY POINT. THAT NOT A PROBLEM THAT YOUR FUNCTION. THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE HERE THE ITEMS THAT YOU HEAR THAT COME BEFORE YOU. YOU ARE ALL SERVING AS A JUDGE ON THESE ISSUES. AND THAT'S WHY YOU WILL NOTICE THAT. WHEN WE HAVE CASES APPLICATIONS THAT WE GET A LITTLE MORE FORMAL IN OUR MEETINGS FAR MORE FORMAL THAN WE HAVE BEEN TONIGHT. AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY JUDICIOUS ABOUT HOW THESE MEETINGS ARE RUN. AND THE THINGS THAT WE SAY.
EVERYTHING MUST BE BACKED UP BY STATUTES CASE LAW, LOCAL ORDINANCES. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE TYPES OF DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE WITH REGARD TO PLANNING AND ZONING. OUR LEGISLATIVE, QUASI JUDICIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE. AND YOU SEE ON THE LEFT OF THAT SCREEN DISCRETION. DISCRETION IS DECREASED AND MINIMIZED AS YOU GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT ON THIS CHART. THE ADMINISTRATIVE IS PRIMARILY STAFF. AND WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DISCRETION WITH REGARD TO DECISIONS WE CAN MAKE. I CAN, SPECIFICALLY, UM, PURSUANT TO OUR CODE. MAKE A DECISION ABOUT A VARIANCE. SOME VARIANCES. MOST OF THEM WILL COME TO YOU, THE ONES THAT I CAN AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE OUR ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCES, SO IT'S VERY MINIMAL 10. UM, THE REQUIREMENT CAN BE WAIVED. AND THEN THERE'S QUASI JUDICIAL AND THESE ARE THE TYPES OF ITEMS THAT COME BEFORE YOU SOME OF WHICH YOU ARE THE FINAL DECISION MAKER AND SOME
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OF WHICH YOU'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR VILLAGE COUNCIL. SO AT THE LAST MEETING YOU HAD. HAD SOME VARIANCES AND YOU HAD A CONDITIONAL USE. AND WE ALL KNOW HOW THOSE WERE PRESENTED TO YOU. SO THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS. ARE VERY, VERY FORMAL AND YOUR DISCRETION IS LIMITED MUCH MORE SO THAN AT THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL. WHICH IS OUR VILLAGE COUNCIL. THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND THE DISCRETION TO ESTABLISH POLICIES, PLANS AND APPROVE ORDINANCES WHILE YOU MAY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THOSE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GIVE FINAL APPROVAL NEXT SLIDE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE FUNCTIONING LIKE A COURT. WE'VE GOT TO. I WANT TO STRESS THE STATE STATUTES CASE LAW. LOCAL ZONING ORDINANCES. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE MUST ADHERE TO AND WE MUST APPLY THE LAWS TO PARTICULAR SITUATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE CLOSET JUDICIAL DECISION NEXT SLIDE. SO. WITH REGARD TO THE BASIS FOR MAKING YOUR DECISIONS THE BASIS FOR MAKING YOUR DECISIONS. WE HAVE LEGISLATIVE DECISIONS AND AGAIN THAT'S AT THE VILLAGE COUNCIL LEVEL. IN SOME CASES, YOU MAY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THOSE LEGISLATIVE MATTERS. SO LEGISLATIVE PROCEEDINGS.REQUIRED DUE PROCESS. THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO NOTICE THE HEARING. AND ACTUALLY HAVE THE HEARING. SO WE PROVIDE A NOTICE. AND WE CONDUCT A HEARING. AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT WITH THESE LEGISLATIVE MATTERS, YOU MUST BE CLEAR AND PRECISE. THE BODY, THE VILLAGE COUNCIL, IT MUST BE CLEAR THAT THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY. THE POLICE POWER TO ADMINISTER AND ENFORCE. THESE, UH, THESE RULES NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN LOOKING AT BASIS YOUR BASIS FOR A DECISION ON QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS. ALL OF THE CASES WE HEARD LAST MONTH WERE QUASI JUDICIAL. WITH QUASI QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS. YOU ALSO STILL HAVE DUE PROCESS, SO PROVISIONS OF THE NOTICE. YOU CONDUCT THE HEARING. WE REMEMBER EX PARTE COMMUNICATION THAT HAS TO BE DISCLOSED IN THIS MEETING. AS WELL AS SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE AND FINDINGS OF FACT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THAT WE SKIP. THANK YOU. SKIP ONE, I THINK WE'RE INSIDE 17 OR 18. THEY LOOK THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY. THAT'S IT? YEAH.
CONDUCTIVE HEARING. THANK YOU. SO WHEN WE'RE CONDUCTING A HEARING AGAIN, YOU KNOW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE OATH. FIRST EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TAKING THE OATH. IT'S VERY, VERY FORMAL TESTIMONY. YOU NOTICE THAT STAFF STAFF, THE PLANNING STAFF. THE ONES THAT DID THE REPORT. ANYBODY THAT WAS GOING TO SPEAK. INCLUDING THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AGENTS. ALL HAD TO STAND AND TAKE THAT OATH. WE HAD TESTIMONY THAT WAS HEARD BOTH FROM STAFF AS WELL AS FROM THE APPLICANTS. AND THEY'RE AUTHORIZED AGENTS. YOU ALL DISCUSS THE MATTERS. AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR RA BOTTLE SHOULD THAT. YOU KNOW, BE NEEDED OR FOR WHAT THEY CALL CROSS EXAMINATION AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A NEED FOR THAT YET, BUT THEN VOTE IN DISCUSSION. NEXT SLIDE. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPERT TAKE COMMUNICATIONS. I BELIEVE THAT THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY HAS ADEQUATELY. EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU, BUT I WANT TO MAKE A DISTINCTION THAT YOU WANT TO AVOID. AT ALL COSTS, DISCUSSING ANY APPLICATIONS. CASES WITH OTHERS. IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO AVOID SUCH A SITUATION. WHICH CAN BE DIFFICULT. BE SURE TO CONVEY TO THE PERSON YOU'RE SPEAKING WITH NO OPINIONS, BUT A SIMPLE STATEMENT OF I AM CERTAIN. THAT THE MATTERS YOU'RE BRINGING BEFORE THE BOARD. WILL BE PRESENTED AN AFFAIR AND IMPARTIAL MATTER AT A PUBLIC HEARING. CAN I JUMP IN
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ON THAT REAL QUICK? CERTAINLY. I WANT TO OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF THE WHY BEHIND THAT. THAT THERE THERE WILL BE MATTERS. THE TRACTOR SUPPLY WAS WAS. VERY MINOR ONE, I THINK, COMPARED TO SOME BIGGER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO COME TO YOU ALL BUT THERE'LL BE MATTERS WHERE DECISIONS YOU MAKE WILL BE VERY CONTROVERSIAL OR THE ITEMS WILL BE DECIDING NOT TO BE VERY CONTROVERSIAL. AND, UM. YOU'RE HUMAN BEINGS, SO IT'S YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AS YOU'RE WALKING INTO A MEETING. WHAT I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IF YOU'RE APPROACHED BY FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC ON THESE QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS. DO NOT PREJUDGED. THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE YOU AND SHARE THAT WITH OTHERS. ALL THAT ENDS UP BEING PARTICULARLY IN THE INSTANCES WHERE YOU MIGHT BE.UM. WELL, EITHER FOUR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT. IF UM, IF IT CAME TO BE THAT YOU WERE AGAINST THE PROJECT. AND UM, YOU SHARED THAT YOU WERE AGAINST THE PROJECT PRIOR TO A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE AND THAT CAP BACK AROUND TO SOMEBODY. THE DEVELOPER. WOULD SEEK TO CHALLENGE THAT DENIAL ON THE BASIS OF SAYING THAT YOU HAD PREJUDGED THE EVIDENCE PRIOR TO HEARING IT IN THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, AND SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO SHARE YOUR, UM, SPECIFIC OPINIONS ON QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS BEFORE A MEETING. I HOPE THAT HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT OF THE WIDE BEHIND WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO PREJUDGE THOSE MATTERS AND CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SHARE. ANY OF THAT WITH OTHERS PRIOR TO ADMIT IT. THANK YOU. NEXT LINE. SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE, ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE GOTTEN MY PROPOSED MOTIONS FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL, SAW THIS LANGUAGE ON THAT MOTION. IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT. IF YOU MAKE A MOTION WITHOUT IT, IT'S FINE. BUT JUST KNOW THAT ANY DECISIONS YOU'RE MAKING. SHOULD BE BASED UPON SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE PROVIDED AT THE HEARING. AT THE HEARING. SO JUST KNOW THAT THE COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS NUMBER ONE. THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU RECEIVE FROM THE VILLAGE. AND THAT STAFF REPORT. SHOULD INDICATE TO YOU THE REQUIREMENT. FOUR. SPECIFIC APPLICATION THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED BEFORE THIS BOARD. AND JUST FOR REFERENCE. REMEMBER THE PACKAGE WE GAVE YOU AT YOUR FIRST MEETING CHAPTER 12. OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THAT CHAPTER LISTS ALL THE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT COULD COME BEFORE YOU. AND IT LISTS THE INFORMATION AND REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO ACCEPT THAT APPLICATION. AND THE REQUIREMENTS AND. REGULATIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE ADHERE TO BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION. MAKE SURE YOU READ VERY CLOSELY, THE STAFF REPORT. OKAY? NEXT SLIDE.
FINDINGS OF FACT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT. SOME OF THE INFORMATION BROUGHT TO YOU.
IS INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY EXPERTS. EXPERTS IN THE FIELD OF CIVIL ENGINEERING.
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. PLANNING. LANDSCAPING. LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED. AND THESE FINDINGS OF FACT I BROUGHT BEFORE YOU SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE. IN THE SUBSTANTIAL, COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU. NOW ONE THING I WANT TO STRESS IS THAT. WE SHOULDN'T. AS SOON AS YOU HEAR ANY INFORMATION REGARDING ANY
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POTENTIAL APPLICATION OR EXISTING APPLICATION. PLEASE PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO STAFF. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU APPOINTED BY THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. ARE NOW IN FACT.PLANNING OFFICIALS. YOU ARE AS ARE PLANNING ZONING, AN APPEALS BOARD. YOU ARE PLANNING OFFICIALS, YOUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS THAT WE'RE HOLDING YOU TO A STANDARD. WHERE NOTHING DISCLOSED TO US CONFIDENTIAL. IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH.
INFORMATION ABOUT A CASE OR AN APPLICATION THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU. IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS SHARED BECAUSE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU SHOULD BE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON THE SAME INFORMATION. AND IF SOMEONE HAS INFORMATION ABOUT ONE THING OR THE OTHER THAT'S NOT BEEN DISCLOSED. IT REALLY? DOES NOT MAKE OUR PROCESS PERFECT. ALL THINGS CAN'T BE PERFECT, BUT THE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM.
WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME INFORMATION WHEN WE'RE MAKING ANY DECISIONS. YOU MAY WANT TO USE THE MICROPHONE. MEMBER BARRY DIRECTOR JEFFERSON. I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I HAD FORGOTTEN A FEW, WADE TOLD US AT OUR FIRST MEETING. WHAT WE HAD TO DO. ALMOST KEEP A DIARY OF THE CONTEXT. WE WERE HAVING UNCERTAIN THINGS, AND I'VE HAD THEM IN MY HEAD, BUT I DIDN'T ALWAYS WRITE THEM DOWN. AND SO I GAVE SUSAN A FEW OF THEM LIKE TWO DAYS AFTER OUR MEETING THAT THEY CAME TO MY MEMORY. WHEN I HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS EITHER WITH DOUG OR WITH MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. SHOULD I TELL YOU THAT DAY AND JUST GET YOU THAT INFORMATION RIGHT UP FRONT OR SHOULD I WAIT? UNTIL THE MEETING WHERE WE REVEAL OUR EXPORT A COMMUNICATIONS. IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU TO KEEP. NOTE A NOTE PAD OR EITHER A DRAFT EMAIL OR YOU'RE MAKING THESE NOTES AS THE ITEM GETS CLOSER TO THE HEARING DATE, BUT YES, WE WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S INFORMATION.
TO BE SHARED THAT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME INFORMATION, OKAY? THANK YOU. ANYONE SPEAKING TO YOU ABOUT APPLICATIONS OR A CASE THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU FOR ANY SORT OF DECISION.
AS A GENERAL RULE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT INFORMATION TO BE PUBLIC INFORMATION. NOTHING IS CONFIDENTIAL. NEXT LINE. SO THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. IN YOUR DECISION MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S A TABLE IN SECTION 11 THAT SHOWS AND TRACKS WHO DOES A REVIEW WHO MAKES THE FINAL DECISION. AND. TO WHOM THE APPLICANT MAY APPEAL. THE DECISION MADE SO, FOR EXAMPLE.
AS A BOARD YOU'RE AUTHORIZED. TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON ANYONE THAT APPEALS. DECISION I'VE MADE FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT. SO THE CASES ARE THE CASE TYPES YOU SEE, BEFORE YOU ARE THE ONES THAT TYPICALLY WOULD COME BEFORE YOU FOR A RECOMMENDATION. TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. SO FOR EXAMPLE, LAST MONTH, THE. VARIANCES I'M SORRY, NOT EXPERIENCE IS THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT. IN THE CONDITIONAL USES. BUT THEN YOU ALSO SEE SOME RESOUNDING. WE HAVE AMENDMENTS TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON OCCASION THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU. AND SOME OF YOU SPEAKING OF THAT. UH, ASKED ME WHO. THE EXTRA PERSON WAS LISTED ON THE EMAILS. UM THAT IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT IS AUTHORIZED. BY STATE LAW AND OUR CODE TO SIT AS A NON VOTING MEMBER. ON THIS BOARD. TYPICALLY THAT PERSON WILL LIKELY BE IN ATTENDANCE WHEN THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING BEFORE YOU. BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE SCHOOLS ARE TYPICALLY IMPACTED. SCHOOLS ARE NOT IMPACTED BY. NEW GROCERY STORE, OR, YOU KNOW, A COAL BURNING PLANT. OKAY, SO
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WITH THAT NEXT SLIDE. THERE ARE ITEMS THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU WHERE YOU ARE THE FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY, INCLUDING SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS. IN VARIANCES WHAT YOU SAW LAST MONTH. AND THEN VESTED RIGHTS AND THEN APPEALS. TO ANY DECISIONS THAT I HAVE RENDERED. AND I BELIEVE THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. WAIT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? OUT OF THIS TIME, WE CAN JUST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANYONE, MAN? NEXT SLIDE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. UM IN, SAY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE ARE A LOT OF EXTERNAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE REFERRED. TO YOU KNOW, LIKE CHAPTERS RULES. UH YOU KNOW LIST OF NATIVE PLANTS, BUT NONE OF THEM HAVE LINKS. THERE ARE NO HYPERLINKS WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE LIST OF, YOU KNOW, NATIVE PLANTS ARE YOU HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE, I THINK AND LOOK FOR IT RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT, UM HYPERLINKS BE PUT IN TO THE OUTSIDE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE REFERRED TO. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WHEN WE AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T THINK IT WILL REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE NOT AN AMENDMENT. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT TIME THAT WE I WOULD PHYSICALLY BE GOING IN TO MAKE CHANGES I CAN ATTEMPT. BUT FOR ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE, IT WOULD BE AN OVERWHELMING TASK. I'M SURPRISED STAFF TO TAKE ON AND YOU KNOW, DONE THAT WAY. IT'S YEAH. IN THIS DAY AND AGE. THAT'S WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE.BUT THAT IS NOT HOW THIS PLAN WAS WRITTEN. UH HUH. YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE THE STEP. TO. I MEAN, THAT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE DONE AT A TIME WHEN. IT'S A MATTER OF STAFFING AND TIME TO BE HONEST WITH YOU REMEMBER, UM PRESSLER? I WOULD HAVE TO WORK THAT INTO MY DEPARTMENT WORK PROGRAMME. I SEE BECAUSE THAT'S AN EXTRA TASK THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL. I BELIEVE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEEDS TO COME INTO THE 21ST CENTURY. IT LOOKS VERY OUTDATED, ALTHOUGH IT'S ONLY A FEW YEARS OLD, AND THOSE ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD DO. MHM. HOWEVER, THAT TAKES TIME. YES. SECOND SUGGESTION ALONG THAT SAME LINE IS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT RULES THERE. IT'S NOT EASY TO PRINT OUT INDIVIDUAL CHAPTERS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, IF YOU JUST WANT TO PRINT OUT CHAPTER FOUR. YOU DON'T WANT TO PRINT OUT THE WHOLE DOCUMENT. IT'S QUITE A TASK TO ISOLATE, YOU KNOW, PAGE 1 37 THROUGH, YOU KNOW, 1 86 OR SOMETHING. OKAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT BY CHAPTERS WHERE YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO THAT CHAPTER AND PRINT JUST THAT CHAPTER. THANK YOU AL THEORY AT SUSAN, OR I MAY BE ABLE TO. I'M SORRY, SUSAN. OR I MAY BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT EVENTUALLY WHEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE CODIFIED ON UNICODE. IT WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY EASIER TO GET DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL SECTIONS AND SO ON. IT'S SET UP PRECISELY FOR THAT. WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THAT PROCESS.
DIRECTOR JEFFERSON AND FOR EVERYONE'S I JUST REALIZED YOU ALL MAY NOT KNOW WHAT MUNICH OWED IS. UNICODE IS A CODIFICATION SERVICE, PRIMARILY FOR OUR PURPOSES. GET. TAKES CODES, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND SO ON AND PUTS IT MAKES IT AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET SO THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THE AND. PROPERTY OWNERS, DEVELOPERS AND SO ON, CAN ACCESS IT IN A VERY, UM, EASY WAY. IT'S NOT ON THERE AS A PDF AS OUR CURRENT FORM IS, BUT IT'S AVAILABLE THERE AT AS TEXTS THAT YOU CAN DOWNLOAD OR PRINT INDIVIDUAL SECTIONS. THAT IS A QUICK AND EASY FIX THAT I CAN ADDRESS ON OUR WEBSITE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW BUSINESS DAYS. CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRY BUT AS A TEMPORARY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? DIRECTOR JEFF SAYS. I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO RE NIDA'S, UM. PROPOSAL AND THAT IS THAT WE NEED AND I BOTH HAVE GRADUATE DEGREES AND INFORMATION SCIENCE AND WE CAN PROBABLY IDENTIFIED. WHERE THE ITEMS COULD BE HYPERLINKED AND PROBABLY EVEN FIND. PUT THE HYPERLINK NEXT TO IT SO THAT YOUR STAFF COULD ACTUALLY JUST PUT IT IN AND MAYBE WE COULD HELP YOU MAKE YOUR JOB EASIER.
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THANK YOU. I DON'T YET HAVE A PLANNING STAFF. OKAY MATTER, RIGHT, WE WORK FOR FREE. YEAH.I UNDERSTAND THE REASON I SUGGESTED AT AMENDMENT TIME BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHEN WE GET INTO THE DOCUMENT AGAIN, UM, CERTAINLY I WILL ADD THAT TO MY WORK PROGRAM. FOR TASKS AND ITEMS TO BE DONE. HOWEVER I CAN'T MAKE A PROMISE AS TO WHEN IT WOULD BE COMPLETED AND CERTAINLY NOT ALL OF THE ELEMENTS AT ONE TIME. YEAH, THERE IS A LOT WELL, THERE'S HARDLY A PARAGRAPH WITHOUT A REFERENCE TO AN OUTSIDE DOCUMENT AND HELP IF YOU IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE OUTSIDE DOCUMENT, IT MAKES IT REALLY NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO YOU KNOW, SEE THE REAL STRENGTH AND THE MEANING OF THAT, UM. THAT SECTION, YOU KNOW? SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ELEMENT? THE ONES THAT HAS THE GOALS? UH NO. I MEMBERS OR JUST THE. THE BACKUP INFORMATION THAT HELPED US GET TO THAT POINT. WELL, LIKE RIGHT HERE, CHARLOTTE APPREHENSIVE PLAN. CHAPTER FOUR. I THINK IT IS I HAVE HERE. I MEAN, SEVEN. CHAPTER SEVEN ON AND THIS IS THE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT CHAPTER. THE CONSERVATION ELEMENT AND THIS IS THE ONE. I THINK THAT CONCERNS THE PUBLIC THE MOST. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS THEY SEE DEVELOPMENT COMING. UM, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU REFER TO CHAPTER THREE OF THE FLORIDA STATE WILDLIFE ACTION PLAN. WELL, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHICH WHICH ONE IS THAT? YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO.
YOU HAVE TO GO FIND EVERY ONE OF THOSE, UM OTHERWISE, YOU WON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PARAGRAPH. IS THAT A POLICY? IT'S EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH YOU KNOW WHAT THE VILLAGE SHALL DO FOR CONSERVATION. UM BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT OF REFERENCES RIGHT HERE LIKE ONE SENTENCE HERE SAYS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S TALKING ABOUT SPECIES OF SPECIAL CONCERN. AND IT SAYS THAT, UM YOU KNOW, NEST EGGS AND EXCEPT AS AUTHORIZED BY PERMIT FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. WELL, WHO'S THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. I DON'T KNOW OF WHAT? IT'S JUST NOT REALLY CLEAR RULE 68 A 1.4 OF F A C APPLIES WELL, THERE'S NO LINK TO THAT. SO YEAH, HE JUST GOOGLING IT LOOKING FOR IT AND GUESSING THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ONE. YES, I'M. YEAH, I THINK AS WE EVOLVE, YOU WILL SEE LESS OF THOSE TYPES OF REFERENCES UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIES LISTS ARE PROTECTED. YOU KNOW, UM, ITEMS BECAUSE THOSE LISTS CAN CHANGE OVER TIME, AND SOMETIMES THE TITLES LIKE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UM I'M NOT THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR DOESN'T SAY WHO IT IS FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WELL AGAIN AS I'LL PUT IT ON MY LIST OF, UM ITEMS IN MY WORK PLAN. BUT I HONESTLY CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES. HEALTHY. ADA CAN I JUMP IN REAL QUICK ON A LITTLE BIT OF THAT? I JUST WANT TO OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT THOUGHT FROM EXPERIENCE ON THAT FIRST OFF TO THE PARTICULARS OF THAT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THERE IS PROBABLY REFERRING TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SORT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION. BECAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, LISTED SPECIES AND THIS AND THAT. WHAT HAVE YOU, UM. ONE TREACHEROUS THING ABOUT CREATING AN ANNOTATED VERSION OF SAY, THE COMPREHENSIVE THE PLAN THAT LINKS TO DIFFERENT RESOURCES OUT THERE BE VERY USEFUL. IN THE IMMEDIATE TERM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU HAVING OBSERVED PROJECTS LIKE THAT IN OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES. WHEN THEY ENDEAVORED TO DO THAT. IT'S VERY USEFUL IMMEDIATELY. AND THEN IT BECOMES MUCH LESS USEFUL AFTER TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS BECAUSE EVERY STATE AGENCY EVERY OTHER PLACE THEY'RE LINKING TO. THEY CHANGE ALL THEIR LENGTHS, AND ALL THOSE LINKS ARE DEAD. UM AND THAT THAT IS THAT'S THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY OF IT'S NOT JUST PUTTING IT IN A CODE OR OR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S ANYTHING DEALING WITH LAW OR LEGISLATIVE IT'S DIFFICULT. TO IT FULLY UTILIZE EVERY ALL THE BENEFITS OF WHAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO BY CROSS LINKING THINGS BECAUSE. STATE GOVERNMENT IN PARTICULAR IS REALLY BAD ABOUT BREAKING THOSE LINKS. JUST A THOUGHT TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE THINK TO DO THAT, UM. THAT'S THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE DIFFICULTY. SOMETIMES IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO IF YOU WANT TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND THOSE REFERENCES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. MIGHT HAVE A PAGE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE. PLANNING SECTION OF THE WEBSITE THAT HAS LINKS TO JUST THE VARIOUS AGENCIES THAT ARE REFERENCED AND THEN FOLKS THAT THAT KIND OF HELPS
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THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. FIND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. JUST A KIND OF MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THOUGHT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. RIGHT. IT'S JUST THE POINT. DIRECTOR JEFFERSON WHERE WE ASK YOU ABOUT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED IN MY EMAIL BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO CONCERN. HOW WE WOULD PROPOSE AMENDING THE COM PLAN OR THE LBR. AND I THINK ONE OR TWO OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED. MIGHT BE INVOLVED THERE. RIGHT? ARE YOU SPEAKING OF THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT YESTERDAY? IT STARTS WITH. I'D LIKE THE PC ABOARD. YES, UM. YES, THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU YOU WANTED IT. PRESENTED TONIGHT, SO I APOLOGIZE IF THAT WAS THE CASE, BUT. A LOT OF THESE ITEMS AND. ARE JUST NOT ITEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO OVERSEE. UM ONE IN PARTICULAR. YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY IN TERMS OF THE. NOTICES THAT WE SEND WITHIN 300 FT OF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHAT'S IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TOLD TO DO. IF YOU THINK THAT EXTENT IS NOT GREAT ENOUGH, YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE A REQUEST. UH, HIS STAFF AND THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. I GUESS, TOO WAIT. THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DIRECT. CHANGE OR TO REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL MAKE A CHANGE. SO TWO OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE EFFECTIVELY THE THEY REFER TO IT IN THE STATUTE SAYS MAINTAINING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANT. WHAT THAT REALLY ENDS UP. MEANING IS, UM HAS RECOMMENDED CHANGES. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS CAN ORIGINATE FROM. HAVE AN ACTION OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PLANNING. ZONING. AN APPEALS POINT. OKAY I WILL STRESS IT. IT'S NOT REQUESTED INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS. IT WOULD BE AN ACTION BY. THE P ACTING AS A BODY TO ASK STAFF TO FORMULATE CERTAIN, VERY PRECISE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. AND THOSE WILL BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD EVALUATE AND VOTE ON TO RECOMMEND TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL AND THEN ULTIMATELY, THE VILLAGE COUNCIL WOULD MAKE THE DECISION ON THOSE CHANGES. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YEAH. UH IF YOU THOUGHT THE RADIUS FOR NOTIFYING RESIDENTS FOR PROPOSAL SHOULD BE 500 FT RATHER THAN THROUGH YOUR FEET.AND THE P C. A B COULD TAKE A VOTE TO ASK VILLAGE STAFF. HEY, COULD YOU PLEASE PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE L D. OURS THAT CHANGES THAT AMOUNT? FROM 300 FT TO 500 FT AND BRING IT BACK TO US FOR OUR REVIEW. COME BACK TO YOU ON AN AGENDA FOR YOUR REVIEW. YOU VOTED UP AND DOWN OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT, AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL AND THEY WOULD VOTE IT UP OR DOWN. NOW KEEP IN MIND AS WELL. THAT STAFF. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS WITH REGARD TO THAT, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING ON THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE THEY MAY OR MAY NOT, BUT, UM, YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE VILLAGE COUNCIL. AND THEN STAFF CAN COME AND SAY, WELL, THE BABY IS RECOMMENDED THIS STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THIS OTHER THING OR THIS WITH THE MODIFICATION. SO, UH, JUST KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND IT REALLY? IT COMES TO THE SUBSTANTIVE RULES BY WHICH WE OPERATE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. P Z A B AS A BODY CAN ORIGINATE. UM, PROPOSALS FOR CHANGE, BUT IN THE END, IT HAS TO RUN THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND IT'S ULTIMATELY DECIDED UPON BY THE VILLAGE COUNCILS. SO WOULD THAT BE AN ITEM THEN THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT STAFF PUT ON AN AGENDA FOR A FUTURE? P. C. A B MEETING. NO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO IN YOUR REGULAR MEETING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA. AND REMEMBER, YOU APPROVED THE AGENDA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. SO IF YOU WANT TO ADD TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. I BEG YOUR PARDON? NO I'M SAYING, REMEMBER, THAT'S YOUR STANDARD PRACTICE TO DO SO. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING ADDED TO THE AGENDA. THEN YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA.
AND, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW THE BOARD MEMBERS WOULD NEED TO AGREE WITH IT. YEAH, AND LET ME ADD AN ADDITIONAL THOUGHT ON THAT. ADDING. ITEMS OF SUBSTANCE TO AN AGENDA WHEN YOU WALK IN THERE THAT NIGHT. FOR FINAL DECISIONS ON THINGS. IS. LET'S JUST SAY IT BEST. IT'S
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NOT A BEST PRACTICE. IT IS NOT SOMETHING I WOULD RECOMMEND ON EVERY DAY RUN OF THE MIDDLE ITEMS. THERE MAY BE A MATTER OR TWO FROM TIME TO TIME THAT ARE OF SUCH TIME. EXIGENCY THAT YOU.MUST ADD IT FOR FINAL DECISION AT THAT MEETING. VILLAGE COUNCIL HAS THOSE FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT WE TRY TO DISCOURAGE IT THERE AS WELL IN THE VILLAGE COUNCILS VERY MUCH ON BOARD WITH THAT IDEA, BECAUSE WE WANT. NO. WHAT IS COMING UP AND KNOW WHAT'S BEING DECIDED. AND SO ON. UM SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, IF IT'S AN ITEM THEY WANT A FINAL DECISION ON.
IT'S USUALLY THE PRACTICE TO SAY, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT, UM, WE ADD SOME ITEM LIKE THAT TO THE NEXT ENGINE. THAT WAY, IT CAN BE WORKED UP APPROPRIATELY AND, UM. UH THE PCB AS A WHOLE CAN WEIGH IN ON IT. AND SO ON. SO LET'S TAKE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. 300 FT. AND LET'S SAY YOU WANTED TO CHANGE IT TO 500 FT. OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT. YOU THERE. YOU COULD GO TO RATS. YOU COULD SAY, UM, COULD WE PLEASE ADD TO THE NEXT AGENDA? JUST DISCUSSING CHANGING THAT TO SOME OTHER AMOUNT. AND GENERALLY, IF SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD JUST ASK THAT SOMETHING BE ADDED TO AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION ONLY, AND THERE'S NO VIOLENT OBJECTION TO IT FROM ANYBODY ELSE. MIGHT BE A THING ADDED TO THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. IF YOU WANTED TO GET MUCH MORE DIRECT, YOU KNOW YOU WANTED TO AT THE NEXT MEETING HAVE STAFF. UH COME BACK WITH A AN ORDINANCE DRAFTED THAT CHANGES IT FOR 300 FT TO 500 FT. RECOMMENDED THAT INSTANCE GIVING DIRECTION OR REQUEST STAFF LIKE THAT. WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF THE MOTION THAT YOU HAVE A VOTE ON. I HOPE THESE FINE DISTINCTIONS MAKE SOME SORT OF SENSE HERE AND YOU CAN GO EITHER DIRECTION. HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO GO. IT MAY SIMPLY BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO PUT ON AN AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES. I WANT TO DISCUSS WHERE WHERE MAJORITY OF THE B C A. B IS ON WHAT THE NOTICE RADIUS SHOULD BE, AND IF THEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR CHANGE. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR MASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT EMAIL. UM SOME PEOPLE READ THE ONLINE AGENDA. I ALWAYS DOWNLOAD THE AGENDA. AND THEN WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT IT, I CAN'T GET TO THE SAME SECTION BECAUSE THE PAGES ON. THE DOWNLOADED AGENDA HAVE PAGE NUMBERS, SO I CAN SAY IT'S PAGE NUMBER 28 SECTION TWO. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE ONLINE AGENDA, IT DOESN'T HAVE PAGE NUMBERS, SO IT'S HARD TO FIND TO TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE STAFF CAN ENSURE THAT THERE IS THERE? IS THERE MORE COMPARABLE? THERE'S NO WAY TO TECHNOLOGICALLY DO THAT. NO, WE CAN'T. I'M SORRY, OKAY? THAT'S ALL. ZACK. SO THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP I THINK AT ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS WAS LIKE THE WORLD LIKE ASSESSMENT. SO THAT IS THAT PART OF THE L D, R OR THE COM PLAN? THE WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE DEVELOPERS COME IN, AND THEY SAY, WELL, HERE'S THE HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE'VE COMPLIED WITH ALL THE VILLAGE REQUIREMENT AND THEY LIST. WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT THAT HAS LIKE IS MISSING, LIKE TWO DOZEN CORNER. YOU KNOW? IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN SAY? I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT IS IN THE L D R. BUT IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN SAY? WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT. IT IS MORE COMPLETE. WHERE PERHAPS YOU ASK THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA OR. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT WELL. I WOULD REFER TO THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY, BUT I WOULD SAY ASKING THE RESIDENTS. IS REALLY HEARSAY AND NOT. EXPERT ANALYSIS. AND. WE'RE NOT HERE TO DO ALL OF THE EXPERT ANALYSIS, FOR EXAMPLE, I SHOWED YOU WATER SUPPLY PLANNING, OKAY? THAT HAPPENS AT A REGIONAL LEVEL. YES WE HAVE TO HAVE A WATER SUPPLY PLAN HERE.
BUT EVERYBODY ON THIS PORT AND AS WELL AS ME AND ANY STAFF, I GET IN THE FUTURE OR NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY BE WATER SUPPLY PLAN EXPERTS. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND. WELL, LET ME JUST SAY IT TO YOUR QUESTION. IT'S NOT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT WHAT THE WILD BE. WHAT? WHAT IS IT? WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT, I THINK IS WHAT THEY CALLED WILD RIGHT AND WETLANDS ASSESSMENT. THAT THAT THE WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT IS NOT IN THE CODE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I WOULD HAVE TO SEARCH. IT IS NOT IN OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE AND
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CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS. SO WHEN HE WHEN HE SAYS THAT WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE VILLAGE BUT. AND I WOULD HAVE TO REFER TO THE COMP PLAN TO GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFICS ON THAT. BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THEN I WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT THAT SECTION TWO.WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT SECTION BECAUSE. I JUST BELIEVE THERE WAS AN AWFUL LOT MISSING FROM THE WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT. SO IT WAS A LOT OF WILDLIFE MISSING FROM THE WILDLIFE ASSESSMENTS.
YEAH. AND. LET ME JUMP IN AS WELL, THERE IS THERE IN SOME REFERENCES WITH REGARD TO, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY TIME THERE'S GOING TO BE LAND CLEARING OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY. WITHIN THE VILLAGE THAT THAT. THERE BE A DEMONSTRATION THAT THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION CONCERNING PROTECTED SPECIES IN DANGER THREATENED UM AND. SPECIES OF SPECIAL CONCERN AND SO ON. UM AND THAT IS WHAT. THAT IS WHAT THOSE WILDLIFE ASSESSMENTS ARE INTENDED TO.
DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH. OKAY THAT THEY ARE THEY DO THOSE ASSESSMENTS? YES. TO BE QUITE HONEST, THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE NOT DONE. FOR OUR INTEREST OR CURIOSITY AS TO YOU KNOW WHAT SPECIES HAPPENED TO BE? MATTER IS WHAT SPECIES THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE PROTECTED, ENDANGERED THREATENED SPECIES OF SPECIAL CONCERN. AND IT'S THESE ARE LICENSED PROFESSIONALS WHO HEAR THIS THAT ARE LICENSOR IS ON THE LINE WHEN THEY GO OUT THERE AND DO THIS TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY OF THOSE SPECIES PRESENT. SO, UM, I KNOW THEY DO ALSO LIST OTHER SPECIES THAT ARE NOT ON ANY OF THOSE LIST AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WHEN YOU HAD FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE TO KNOW. THAT THERE ARE OTHER NON LISTED OR, YOU KNOW, ONE ENDANGERED, NON PROTECTED SPECIES THAT THEY SOMEHOW FAILED TO TEST. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PRIMARY THING THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
THEY'RE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. THEY'RE LOOKING. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, PROTECTED SPECIES, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT BASED ON THEIR EXPERTISE AND BASED ON THE HABITAT THAT THEY'RE IN, THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR CERTAIN TYPES IN THIS CERTAIN AREA OF THE STAGE. AND SO ON. SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE IN MICHIGAN THAT THEY CAN GET THOSE REPORTS. SO I UNDERSTAND ANY ANY REPORT YOU GET FROM ANYBODY IS. UM, THEY FIND SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLETELY 100. BUT THIS IS WHAT THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, AND I WILL TELL YOU WE DON'T HAVE STAFF. ON STAFF OR CONSULTANTS THAT GO OUT THERE AND. ENCOUNTER AT EVERY INSTANCE THAT TELL YOU MUCH LARGER, INCREDIBLY LARGER CITIES AND COUNTIES. HI THERE. BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT. NEEDS TO HAVE TO RELY ON PROFESSIONALS AND VERY TECHNICAL MATTERS AS WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS THAT GO OUT THERE AND DO THESE THINGS AND BASICALLY THEIR LICENSE ROOMS ON THE LINE. THEM IF THEY ARE MAKING MISREPRESENTATIONS TO US, WADE. MAY I? MAY I COMMENT ON THAT? AND THAT IS THAT THE WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT NAMED A CARDINAL. SQUIRREL, A RACCOON AND POSSUM. THERE FOR SURE. NOT FEDERALLY PROTECTED OR STATE PROTECTED. UM AND IT MISSED WOODPECKERS THAT ARE FEDERALLY PROTECTED. AND SOME OTHER WILDLIFE OUT THERE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO SEARCH AND SEE IF THEY WERE PROTECTED. SO. IT JUST SEEMED TO ME THAT IT WAS SKIMMING OVER THE SURFACE AND DIDN'T MENTION WELL. HERE'S A LIST OF PROTECTED SPECIES AND WE LOOKED AND THERE AREN'T ANY GOPHER TORTOISES, YOU KNOW. AND THERE AREN'T ANY INDIGO SNAKES. UM, WHICH WOODPECKER THAT IS PROTECTED. THAT YOU'VE SEEN OUT THERE BEFORE. I BELIEVE IT'S RED COCKADED WOODPECKERS. SPECIAL KIND OF. CAN'T DEMONSTRATE BUT A SPECIAL KIND OF WOODPECKER.
AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT SPECIES IS OUT THERE. I KNOW THE SPECIES IS OUT THERE AND IN THE BACKYARD ACROSS IN THAT AREA, THERE WAS AN INDIGO SNAKE SPOTTED RECENTLY. INDIGO SAKES.
OUR NEGOTIATORS ARE APPARENTLY PROTECTED. YES. AND YOU KNOW IT. SO LET ME GET AWAY. HAVE YOU GATHERED THAT? WAIT, I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. UH, YEAH. HE ASKED FOR YOUR SOURCE OF INFORMATION. WELL, I'VE SEEN THE RED COCKADED WOODPECKERS OUT THERE AND SO HAVE PEOPLE ON
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THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CANAL. THE PERSON WHO SAW THE INDIGO SNAKE IS A RESIDENT WHO LIVES.ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INDIAN WOULD CANAL FROM FROM THE FROM. THE DEVELOPMENT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. CERTAINLY THE QUESTION IS, UM, WHICH PROTECTED SPECIES LIST ARE YOU USING? WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT YOUR SOURCE. I WASN'T USING A SPECIFIC PROTECTED SPECIES. I JUST LOOKED UP THE SPECIES THAT I KNEW ABOUT THERE AND LOOK THEM UP AND THE RIG ONE OF THE RED COCKADED WOODPECKERS I BELIEVE WAS LISTED AS PROTECTED. I BELIEVE IT'S FEDERALLY PROTECTED AND THE INDIGO SNAKE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT STATE PROTECTION OR FEDERAL PROTECTION UM BUT I GUESS. I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY IS THAT A SECTION WHERE WE CAN ASK THAT THE WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT BE MORE. COMPLETE WHEN THEY GIVE IT TO US BY EITHER MENTIONING. YOU KNOW AND SAYING NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. THESE PROTECTED SPECIES AREN'T THERE. SO HERE'S WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND WHILE VILLAGE ATTORNEY WAS SPEAKING IS ONE PARAGRAPH. IN SECTION FOR THEIR SEVEN AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY ASK FOR THEIR ASSESSMENT. WE ASKED THEM TO GET A PERMIT. WHICH THEY GET FROM THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION. SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THAT PERMIT. IF THE F W C HAS APPROVED IT. THERE'S NO NEED FOR US TO REVIEW IT. WORK OR CONTEST IT AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR US TO PERFORM THE ANALYSIS. THE EXPERTS HAVE DONE THAT. STAFF IS I COULD NOT HONESTLY TELL YOU BUT UM. HOW TO IDENTIFY DIFFERENT WOODPECKERS. I'D HAVE TO GO AND. RESEARCH THAT AND I STILL WOULDN'T BE ACCURATE AND, UH, IN HIS ASSESSMENT, WALKING OUT ON MY OWN, IT'S JUST NOT. IT'S NOT PAR FOR THE COURSE FOR WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. WE REQUIRE THEM TO SHOW US A PERMIT. IF F WC HAS ISSUED THEM THAT PERMIT I. IN MOST CASES, WE ARE NOT. CONTESTING THAT NOW, IF. AND I'LL LET THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY HANDLE THIS. IF INDIAN WOULD COMMUNITY WANTED TO HIRE SOMEONE. TO CONTEST THAT AND DO YOUR OWN ANALYSIS. THE TIME TO DO THAT WAS AT THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. BEFORE YOU CAN STILL DO IT NOW, BUT. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY YOUR BEST COURSE OF ACTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE JUST HAVE TO NOTIFY THE FW. SEE THAT THESE ARE THE ANIMALS WE'VE SEEN OVER THERE THAT'S ON THEIR PROTECTED LISTS. WOULD THEY LIKE TO COME CHECK OR SOMETHING? THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO ANYWAY. IF SOMEONE IS CLEARING AND WHEN WE HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THAT BUT IN THIS CASE I'M SAYING REMEMBER BARRY? EVERY APPLICATION WE BRING TO YOU. IT IS NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD. TWO. INVESTIGATE AND THEN TRY TO PROVE. THAT THE EXPERT WITNESS INFORMATION BECAUSE ONCE THEY GET THE PERMIT. AM DEFAULTING THAT THE EXPERT WHO DID THE REVIEW. ISSUED THE PERMIT. IT'S THEIR LICENSES ON THE LINE. THAT IT'S ADEQUATE. IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO BRING IT UP TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY FOUND THESE SIX SPECIES, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S 20. AND HERE THEY ARE, BECAUSE I KNOW EVEN ONE OF THE INDIAN WOULD RESIDENTS ACTUALLY EMAILED OF SUSAN TO TELL HER SOME OF THE. SO IS IT INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO SAY, HEY, YOU MISSED A FEW THINGS. I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US. TO PERHAPS SPEAK WITH THE PERSON FROM THE F W. C, WHO ISSUED THE PERMIT. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT. WE CAN. I MEAN, HOW CAN YOU DEFINITIVELY SAY THAT? THERE ARE 20 SPECIES OUT THERE? AND REMEMBER THE EVIDENCE WE TAKE. YOU HAVE TO BE A QUALIFIED EXPERT ON THESE THINGS. AND I'VE PROBABLY TALKED TOO LONG. BUT WADE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT. NO, I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT OUT THE A THAT WHEN IT COMES. TO WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTED WILDLIFE MATTERS, AND SO ON. THE THAT WE AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT ARE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY PREEMPTED FROM GETTING INTO OUR OWN REGULATION OF THOSE MATTERS. THAT'S WHY RLD OURS ARE. STRUCTURED EXACTLY AS HEALTHY. I JUST
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MENTIONED THAT WHAT IS REQUIRED ULTIMATELY IS THAT WILDLIFE ASSESSMENT THAT YIELD UH, PERMITS FROM THE F W. C. AND, UM. WHEN THEY MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. THEY'RE THE ONES WHO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION NOW FACTUALLY. IN A GIVEN INSTANCE, TERMINATION MAY BE WRONG, BUT WE'RE NOT THE DECISION MAKER. AND SO IF IT COMES TO BE. YOU OR ANYBODY HAPPENS TO BE AWARE OF SOME OF SOME FACT THAT THAT. SHOULD BE REPORTED TO SOME OTHER AGENCY LIKE F WC. I'D RECOMMEND THAT THAT THEY NOTIFIED VILLAGE STAFF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE COMING IN.AS A BOARD MEMBER AT THE HEARING WITH NEW FACTS. THAT'S THAT'S NOT HOW QUASI JUDICIAL.
HEARINGS WORK, IT WOULD BE AS IF YOU WERE GOING IN ON A TRAFFIC TICKET, AND THE JUDGE SAID, WELL, I WENT OUT AND I LOOKED INTO THIS MYSELF. AND DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR ANY OF THE EVIDENCE FROM EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM AND SO ON. THE EVIDENCE HAS TO BE EVIDENCE.
THAT'S THAT'S PRESENTED TO EVERYBODY IN AND IS COMPETENT AND SUBSTANCE AND IT IT'S. IN.
IN THIS INSTANCE HERE, LOOK. BASICALLY THIS SEEING A REPORT AND THEN SAYING, WELL, THERE ARE SOME THINGS MISSING. DOESN'T OVERCOME THE THAT REPORT THAT CERTAINLY DOESN'T OVERCOME THE F WC PERMIT, WHICH IS ALL OUR CODE REQUIRES. SO MY SUGGESTION THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT. INSUFFICIENCY OF WHAT'S BEEN. EVALUATED BY THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION IN ISSUING THEIR, UM, PERMITS ALONG THOSE LINES. AND THAT INFORMATION OUGHT TO BE SHARED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN GET TO THE APPROPRIATE FOLKS AT F WC. AND THEN THEY IS THE DECISION MAKERS. DO WITH IT AS AS THEY WOULD THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT FIRST ITEM THAT INVOLVED THE MEETING THAT WE HAD TWO WEEKS AGO. MM. ABOUT YOU KNOW, HISTORIC SITES AND CULTURAL SITES. IF WE COULD GET AT LEAST WHEN THE STAFF DID THEIR REPORT AND THEY SENT US THOSE DOCUMENTS. IF THEY SHOULD GIVE IT COULD GIVE US A HEADS UP ON SOME OF THAT STUFF. THAT THEY'VE DONE A REVIEW. AND IN THAT AREA THEY HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED ANY HISTORIC SITES OR UM. OR ANY CULTURAL SITES OR, IN ONE CASE, SOMEBODY SAID THERE WAS AN EAGERNESS SOMEPLACE. UM SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD THAT COME UP FORWARD RATHER THAN HEARING IT FROM, YOU KNOW RESIDENTS WHO EITHER SPEAK AT THE MEETINGS. I WAS JUST HOPING IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF COULD ADD. I LIKE. PARTY, BUT I CAN'T SAY OUT LOUD. UM BUT, UM. THAT IF WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CULTURAL HISTORIC SITES. IF THAT WAS PART OF THE REPORTS THAT WE GOT FROM THE STAFF WHEN WE WERE WHEN WE WERE MAKING OUR DECISIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. BECAUSE AT THE LAST MEETING IF YOU RECALL SOMETHING CAME OFF WHICH NONE OF US EXPECTED. AND. RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW? UM. AGAIN I JUST LIKE TO DISCLOSE THAT WE, AS THE PROPERTY OWNER DID GET A PHONE CALL FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. SO I KNOW THAT THEY YOU KNOW, LOOKED AND DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING. BUT I DO KNOW THAT. THEY'RE HANDLING IT AT THIS MOMENT, SO I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT AND. NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS COMMENTS, BUT JUST. MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THAT THAT'S THE SITUATION. THANK YOU CHERISH TO HIGH, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST APPROACH THIS FROM A. 50,000 FT LEVEL AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT MEMBER BARRY IS ASKING IS THAT THE CRITERIA AND THE CODE INCLUDE. CULTURAL OR HISTORIC ASSESSMENT. UM. YES, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO COME UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY. HOW CAN YOU DO THIS? DON'T YOU KNOW THAT? THAT'S WHERE. UM, YOU KNOW, BETTY MAE JUMPER LIVED OR DON'T YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A HISTORIC BLACK CEMETERY? HOW DID YOU LOAN IT? HOW DID YOU ZONE IN RESIDENTIAL? ALL RIGHT. SO ANYTHING SO? SO HERE'S THE THING WITH THAT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THESE SITES. ARE IDENTIFIED. REALLY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. THAT'S PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DATA AND ANALYSIS. AND. TO MY
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KNOWLEDGE, THAT'S NOT IT HISTORIC SITE. AT LEAST IT DOESN'T REFLECT THAT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UH I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE. WE ARE ENFORCING. A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THROUGH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND. IF WE'RE GOING TO YEAH. DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THIS WAY BECAUSE. THESE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE ASSESSMENT AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN IT DRAWS DOWN TO OUR CODE. IF WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED SUCH SITES. THE ONE TRUE WAY TO DISCOVER IT IS. AS THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS STARTS. IF SOMETHING IS DISCOVERED, AS I MENTIONED IN OUR MEETING LAST MONTH. ALL ACTIVITY HAS TO CEASE NOW. PERHAPS THERE'S SOME HISTORY. THAT STAFF WAS NOT AWARE OF WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DONE TO IDENTIFY THESE SITES. BUT PLEASE, AS MEMBERS SPEAK UP IF YOU HAVE A MAP OF AREAS, UM I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO ANY STUDIES, BUT. WE COULD CERTAINLY SEND SOMETHING TO THE STATE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. WHAT'S NECESSARILY ON RECORD WITH THE STATE. AT THE STATE IN THE COUNTY WOULD BE OUR ONLY TWO RESOURCES. I'LL GO BACK TO THE COM PLAN AND SEE IF I CAN FIND ANYTHING LISTED. AND LET ME JUMP IN AND KEEP IN MIND. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. I DON'T MEAN TO BE SEMANTIC OR PHILOSOPHICAL THERE, BUT THE. THE ISSUE IS MHM. YEAH. IF IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL OR A COUPLE INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE COMPUTER COMMUNITY THAT THAT KNOW OR THINK THEY KNOW OR THINK THEY REMEMBER HAVING HEARD FROM SOMEBODY SOMETHING ABOUT SOME PIECE OF PROPERTY.THAT'S NOT IN ANYBODY ELSE'S HEAD. AND THAT'S NOT IN ANY, UM, EXPERT CONSULTANTS HAD WOULD COME IN AND DO A STUDY TO DETERMINE THIS OR THAT. WHEN WE BROADEN IT TO THE BROADEN, AMORPHOUS THOUGHT OF JUST. IS THERE ANYTHING OF ANY CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE EVER ON THIS PROPERTY? WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE ASKING ANY PROPERTY OWNER PROVED TO US. NOTHING INTERESTING EVER HAPPENED HERE? UM, THAT THE BEYOND WAY BEYOND. UM. WAY BEYOND FINDING YOU KNOW THE THOUGHT OF A BURIAL MOUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I KNOW WE WERE TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM SPECIFICS, BUT. SOMETIMES THAT THAT THE CARDS ARE DISCUSSION IF WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY TO THAT ISSUE. UM AS OUT, THEY HAD MENTIONED THAT I DIDN'T DIVE INTO IT IN GREAT DETAIL LIKE THAT LAST WEEK, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO SEND IT, UM, FURTHER DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, BUT THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC. EIGHT STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT GOVERN THOSE INSTANCES AND IT SOUNDS AS IF. THAT THAT MATTER IS PROCEEDING ALONG EXACTLY IN THE MANNER EXPOSED TO UNDER THAT STATUTE, SO. I WOULD TELL YOU, THE SYSTEM'S WORKING EXACTLY THE WAY IT DOES WORK. UM WHEN? WHEN YOU MOVE DIRT OR EVEN BEFORE IT IF SOMEBODY HEARS ABOUT A THING UH, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER FOLKS CAN LOOK INTO IT, AND THEY CAN SORT THAT OUT.
WITH REGARD TO MORE, GENERAL, UH. HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THINGS. YEAH. IF ANYBODY HAS INFANT, ANY INFORMATION. SHARE IT WELL BEFORE WALKING INTO THE MEETING THAT NIGHT. THAT'S NOT WHEN A FACT WALKING IN YOU KNOW FROM SIDEWAYS IS GOING TO FIX ANYTHING OR MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. I WAS JUST RECOMMENDING THAT WE IDENTIFY NOW THAT WE ASKED RESIDENTS AND PERHAPS THE VILLAGE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S HERE RIGHT NOW. THAT WE IDENTIFY HISTORIC, CULTURAL. UM UH, REALLY IMPORTANT SCIENCE IN THE VILLAGE, AND WE IDENTIFY THEM AND PERHAPS A TIER OF OUR INTERACTIVE MAP. SO YOU COULD JUST DRAW THAT DOWN OVER THE ZONING THING AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S A CEMETERY BACK THERE, YOU KNOW. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT? YOU'RE TALKING. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE INDIAN TOWN CEMETERY. UM BUT AND HERE'S BETTY MADE JUMPERS HOUSE AND HERE'S THE ONE ROOM SCHOOLHOUSE WHERE BLACK CHILDREN HAD TO GO FROM GRADES 1 TO 8, AND THEY ALL WENT IN ONE. IN ONE ROOM. THOSE ARE REALLY HISTORIC CONNECTIONS TO THIS VILLAGE THAT IF WE COULD JUST POINT THEM OUT NOW, SOME SOMEHOW AND VERIFY THE INFORMATION, REMEMBER, YOU GOT TO INFORMATION PEOPLE HERE. VERIFY
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THE INFORMATION AND THEN PUT IT ON A MAP. BECAUSE IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO FUTURE DEVELOPERS.JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THIS COUNCIL MEMBERS. WEINERS WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT. IF YOU'RE FINISHED. PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. UM. MR ATTORNEY, MAY I SPEAK ON THIS BEING THE ONE THAT INTRODUCED THE INFORMATION THAT CAUGHT EVERYBODY OFF GUARD APPROPRIATELY OR INAPPROPRIATELY? I ADMIT THAT PERHAPS THE RESULTS ARE NOT WHAT I EXPECTED AT ALL. MAY I SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH. I THINK IT'S HEALTHY. I THINK IT'S OKAY TO SPEAK TO IT, UM, DANCING AROUND. IT'S ONLY GOING TO CONFUSE THE ISSUES. I THINK IT'S ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.
YES PLEASE GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD. UM HAD I KNOWN. THAT I NEEDED TO COME TO YOU WITH IT.
I WOULD HAVE. DID NOT REALIZE THIS. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S MONDI. WANTED TO UNDERSTOOD THAT I DID NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION DAYS IN ADVANCE. IT WAS THAT AFTERNOON THAT I GOT THE INFORMATION. HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE EYEWITNESS TO THIS SITUATION.
NO IT IS NOT A REGISTERED HISTORIC SITE. PROBABLY IT WAS ONLY KNOWN TO HIM AND THE OTHER TWO PEOPLE WITH HIM. OKAY? BUT HE IS CLAIMING TO BE AN EYEWITNESS TO IT. NOW ALL I ASKED FOR WITH DUE DILIGENCE. IN MY MIND DUE DILIGENCE WAS WALKED BACK THERE. IS THERE A MOUND THERE IS IF THERE IS A MOUND THERE, WE COULD GET THE UNIVERSITY COME IN WITH THEIR ARCHAEOLOGISTS, AND THEY WOULD DO A GROUND SEARCH. I KNOW THIS TOO. LLOYD JONES IN HIS GROUP.
UM IS THERE SOMEBODY THERE OR NOT? NOBODY THERE. LET'S GO ON. MOVE ON. IF THERE'S NO MOUND THERE, LET'S MOVE ON. IF THERE IS SOMETHING THERE, THEN LET'S PRESERVE IT. LET'S NOT DESTROY IT WITH THE BACK HOLE. AND THEN THEN SHE HOPES THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING. JUST DO SOME A LITTLE BIT OF DUE DILIGENCE. OKAY? THAT'S ALL I ASKED FOR. I DIDN'T MEAN FOR THIS UP OR I DIDN'T MEAN FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING HERE. THE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT WAS THAT, UM YEAH. ALSO WAS VISITED BY THE LAW. DEPARTMENT LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO, UH, AT THAT POINT I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO START. JUST LEAVE THAT WITH YOU. OKAY? IN THE FUTURE, I WILL TRY TO BRING ANY INFORMATION THAT I COME UP WITH IN ADVANCE. OKAY. LESSON LEARNED. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU, SIR. AND BY THE WAY, I JUST WANT TO MENTION I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS STARTLING WHEN YOU HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOW UP AT YOUR HOUSE OR WHEREVER. UM, BUT. THEY WERE NOT DOING THAT BECAUSE ANYBODY DID ANYTHING WRONG. THEY WERE DOING THAT BECAUSE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE STATUTORY PROCESS. UH WHEN THERE'S WHEN THERE IS REASON TO BELIEVE THERE MAY BE A BODY WHETHER RECENT OR ANCIENT. IN A GIVEN AREA THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT INITIALLY INVESTIGATES AND THE MEDICAL WINNER GETS INVOLVED. DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IF THERE'S A BODY. UM HOW OLD OR HOW LONG AGO THE BODY PASSED ON. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER OF YEARS. I THINK IT MIGHT BE 70, BUT I'M NOT SURE. IF IT'S EARLIER THAN IF IT'S LESS THAN 70 YEARS AGO, IT APPEARS TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER AND THEY TREAT IT AS A UH, CRIMINAL MATTER, OR AT LEAST TWO EVALUATED THAT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS FOUL PLAY OR ANYTHING. IF IT SEEMS TO BE MORE THAN THAT NUMBER OF YEARS THEY TREATED AS AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL MATTER AND THEN THEY INVOLVED STATE OF FLORIDA. WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND HISTORICAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENTS, AND SO ON, AND THEY WORKED THROUGH THE STATUTORY PROCESS, SO PLEASE DON'T BE STARTLED BY THE FACT THAT THAT WHEN THE WORD HAD GOTTEN AROUND THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN DO, THAT'S JUST THE STATUTORY PROCESS WORKING ITS WAY OUT AND. NOW I THINK AS THIS WORKS, IT'S ALL ALL'S WELL THAT ENDS WELL. YEAH. IF I MAY JUST ONE THING ONE MORE QUESTION, MR ATTORNEY. UH WOULD THIS BE APPROPRIATE? IF THERE WAS JUST A BIT MORE INFORMATION THAT I'VE HEARD THIS WOULD BE HERE TO SAY. WOULD DISOBEY AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO NEVER THAT. UH HUH. UM. UH IS IT INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE BEST TO SHARE WITH WITH THE STAFF, AND THEN WE CAN. WE CAN TRY TO WORK THAT THE APPROPRIATE WAY FOR YOU TO GET IT TO FOLKS, OKAY? DO YOU ENCOURAGE YOU WHENEVER YOU COME TO LEARN INFORMATION ABOUT. ABOUT A PROJECT OR AN ISSUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT GIVES YOU CONCERN THAT YOU HAD AN OTHERWISE KNOWN ABOUT SHARE IT WITH STAFF. STAFF IS STAFF IS IN THE BEST POSITION TO BE ABLE TO RUN AN ISSUE TO GROUND AND FIGURE IT OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. SURE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
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I WAS WONDERING IF YOU, UH, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO WORK IT IN STAFF WISE, BUT I ADD SOME ADDITIONAL WORKSHOPS. WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT ADDITIONAL WORKSHOPS TO DISCUSS. A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HOW THE LD R WORK THROUGH. I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING FOR US TO READ THIS OURSELVES AND MAKE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN. A CHAPTER SEVEN. I THINK IT IS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN CHAPTER FOUR OF THE LANDER LAND DEVELOPMENT RULES, BUT, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'D CONSIDER YOU KNOW, MAYBE TAKING IT CHAPTER BY CHAPTER. AND WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH TOGETHER SO THAT WE HAVE, UM, A MORE EVEN UNDERSTANDING. UM RATHER THAN OUR OWN INTERPRETATION. THANK YOU FOR THAT. CERTAINLY WE CAN FIT IN MORE WORKSHOPS FOR THE BOARD AND SHOULD YOU WANT. DO THOSE WE'LL SET ASIDE SOME TIME. UM.AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHAPTERS OF THE CONFIDENCE OF PLAN FIRST. WELL, HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER. YOU KNOW THE SECTIONS YOU WANT. OKAY YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KIND OF MELD THEM. YOU KNOW WHERE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOES THROUGH AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE VILLAGE SHALL DO THIS AND SHALL DO THAT. AND THEN SHOWING HOW THOSE ARE IMPLEMENTED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT RULES. I MEAN, I KNOW IT TAKES MORE TIME, BUT I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, THINGS WILL RUN MORE SMOOTHLY AND WILL PROBABLY ACTUALLY SAVE TIME. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY MORE COMMENTS. I JUST WANT TO THANK. EVERYBODY FOR THE PRESENTATION TODAY. I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THEIR COMMENTS TODAY, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO MAKE THE VILLAGE THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH HERE, SO I DO APPRECIATE IT. SO THANK YOU. EVERYBODY CARES TO HIKE. WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY IS DOING THIS EVENING. I'VE GOT TO SAY THIS IS VERY ENCOURAGING BECAUSE I'M FINDING WE HAVE VERY COMPETENT MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD. YOU KNOW VERY, VERY PERTINENT QUESTIONS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE THE DEDICATION AND THE DESIRE, YOU KNOW, TO LEARN AND TO DO THE RIGHT THING. BECAUSE ME AS A RESIDENT. THAT'S WHAT I WANT.
AND I APPRECIATE MR VOS ISSE. CONTINUED SAGE ADVICE ON THE PRACTICAL PROCEDURAL MATTERS ALWAYS. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE FINDINGS OF FACT, WHEN WE WHEN WE DO THESE THINGS, AND WE LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS, OKAY, BECAUSE THIS IS A KIND OF A QUASI JUDICIAL SO WHEN A COURT PROCEEDINGS. YOU HAVE THE EXPERTS THAT COME FORWARD. BUT IN THOSE COURT PROCEEDINGS, THERE'S ALWAYS TWO SIDES. AND YOU HAVE EXPERTS ON ONE SIDE AND YOU HAVE EXPERTS ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND I LIKE TO THINK THAT. YOU GUYS ARE BECOMING OUR EXPERTS. BECAUSE. IN THE PROCEDURAL AND THE PROCEDURAL, UM, MATTERS. YOU KNOW, TO ASK QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE I'M WATCHING THAT MEETING. I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS. I KNOW THAT IN GOING FORWARD, FINE TUNING AND LEARNING, YOU KNOW? OKAY, THIS THIS IS THE HOW WE HANDLE THIS SITUATION AS FAR AS PROCEDURALLY WE CAN GO THIS FAR. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT I APPRECIATE THE, UM DEDICATION. TO PROTECTING THE VILLAGES, INTEREST IN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE VILLAGE. BECAUSE IF WE AS RESIDENTS KNOW THE INFO IS NOT CORRECT, AND YOU PERSONALLY KNOW TALKING ABOUT RUMOR. BUT THEN FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE. OKAY, YOU MAY HAVE AN EXPERT COME AND TRAMP AROUND AND SAY THIS IS WHAT I SAW, AND THE GOFER TOWARD US. MAYBE. YOU KNOW? I'M BEING FACETIOUS HERE UNDER A ROCK OR THE INDIGO SNAKE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW UP IN A TREE, AND HE DOESN'T SEE HIM DOESN'T REALIZE IT, AND I REALIZED THAT THERE'S CERTAIN HABITAT AND IT MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT HE GETS HIS PERMIT, BUT YOU HAVE SEEN. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT MATTERS. I THINK IT MATTERS AND I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO BRING THAT INFORMATION FORWARD TO WORK WITH STAFF BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS OURS. THIS IS OURS AND MOVING FORWARD. IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GET IT, RIGHT. UM I WOULD APPRECIATE IN THE,
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UH. I GUESS THE LEARNING SESSIONS MOVING FORWARD AND TALKING ABOUT THOSE PROCEDURAL MATTERS. AND THIS IS A NEW NEW BOARD AND GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH MAKING MOTIONS. AND WHAT TYPE OF MOTIONS AND SECONDING. I THINK THAT NEED TO GO THROUGH THE TYPES OF MOTIONS THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO MAKE IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT AND YOU CAN MAKE IT TIME CERTAIN. SO OKAY, I HAVE YOU CAN I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE JULY WHATEVER MEETING TO GIVE US TIME TO GO THROUGH. THIS MOUND OF INFORMATION, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE GOT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ON YOU KNOW. WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE TO TABLE TO TABLE SOMETHING IN ORDER UNTIL THEY'RE COMFORTABLE. WHAT DOES UNTIL THEY'RE COMFORTABLE, MEAN? WELL, YEAH, UNTIL THEY'RE ABLE TO READ IT. SO THEY CAN SAY I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL OUR JULY WHATEVER MEETING I SAY, THE FIRST OF JULY THE NEXT MEETING UNTIL I HAVE SO THEY THAT THAT IS IN THERE. THAT IS IN THEIR WHEELHOUSE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT. HOW DIFFERENT CABLING A MATTER IS, AND THERE WILL HOUSE AND JUST AS YOU. SUGGESTED COUNCIL MEMBER PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO MATTERS IN A QUASI JUDICIAL IT SHOULD BE TO A DATE CERTAIN SO THAT WE CAN ALL ROLLING RIGHT. CABLING IT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE TO NEVER BRING UP AGAIN. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING, BUT DELAY FOR A MONTH SO THAT YOU CAN DIG IN DEEPER IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THEY CAN DO. I WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT IF THEY FEEL THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. DON'T DELAY FOR THE SAKE OF DELIGHT, BUT IT IS UNTIL THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S GETTING MORE INFORMATION GETTING COMFORTABLE IN THE JOBS THAT YOU HAVE, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PUTTING IN THE TIME AND WANTING TO LEARN AND BRINGING THESE THINGS FORWARD.IT IS APPRECIATED BY THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE SITTING HERE REPRESENTING US AND OUR FUTURE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST TO POINT OUT GERMAN DIRECTOR JEFFERSON ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. HAS MENTIONED TO ME YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE AGENDA. WE CAN ADVANCE BUT CALL ME ANY TIME I'LL SET UP A MEETING AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE DOCUMENTS. I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE PLANS ARE. UP TO THIS POINT, AND YOU KNOW THEY MIGHT CHANGE TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY, SO SHE'S BEEN REALLY GOOD ABOUT MEETING MY REQUEST FOR THAT. RIGHT, AND I WANT TO SAY WITH REGARD TO BEING EXPERTS, I THINK. ALSO THAT IT'S GREAT THAT YOU ARE READING AND LEARNING AND COMING TO KNOW THE CODE AND THE COM PLAN. I JUST SPLINT A LITTLE ON THE EXPERT THE USE OF EXPERT YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN INITIALS BEHIND YOUR NAME, TOO. AN EXPERT IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, AND IF YOU WISH TO DO SO WE CAN GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON HOW TO DO THAT. WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE AND LEARNING. WHAT ARE STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS ARE.
CHAIRMAN I WANTED TO THIS OFFER SOMETHING ADDITIONAL THAT. COUNCIL MEMBERS. COMMENTS JUST BROUGHT TO MY HEAD. UH. EVEN WHEN IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH BEFORE SOUNDING A LITTLE BIT LIKE TRUST. THE EXPERTS WHICH SETS EVERYBODY ON EDGE IMMEDIATELY SETS ME OFF AN EDGE.
WHEN I SAID TRUST THE EXPERTS AND SO ON. I WANTED TO PUT A LITTLE BIT BEHIND. WHAT THE PRODUCT IS YOU ALL HAVE BEFORE YOU BY THE TIME IT GETS TO YOU FOR DECISION. YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE UNADULTERATED. UNREFORMED FIRST DRAFT OF WHAT DEVELOPERS TROOP IN THE DOOR WITH WITH STAFF. THEY COME IN WITH STUFF. THIS IS NOT TO THROW ANY PARTICULAR DEVELOPERS UNDER THE BUS, BUT THEY COME IN WITH STUFF THAT THAT WE'D SAY, WHAT THE HECK IS THIS AND SO ON IT. IT COMES IN WITH WITH ALL SORTS OF ISSUES. IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THEIR CODE. IT DOESN'T DO THIS AND SO ON AND SO STAFF GOES BACK AND FORTH WITH THOSE. THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS. SOMETIMES OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO GET FROM THEIR INITIAL PRODUCT WHERE THEY'RE WALKING IN THE THINGS THAT ARE. ALL OVER THE PLACE, NOT COMPLIANT, NOT SATISFYING CERTAIN STANDARDS TO GETTING IT TO A POINT WHERE. THEIR STAFF BELIEVES THAT IT SATISFIES THOSE CRITERIA. THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU'VE GOT TO JUST RUBBERSTAMP WHAT STAFF
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SAYS. PLEASE JUST UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING JUST THE FIRST RATTLE OUT OF THE BOX. IT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPER CAME WITHIN WITH, AND THAT'S IT. WE'VE HAD, PARTICULARLY WITH THE WITH REGARD TO THE EXPERTS THAT WE. DO HAVE THAT GO TO THE CORE OF DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE COMPETENCIES WHEN IT COMES TO EVALUATING THEIR ENGINEERING, EVALUATING THEIR UM THERE. THEIR ROAD ACCESS ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU WOULD GO TO OUR PLANNERS AND ENGINEERS THAT WE HAVE ON CONTRACTOR IN THESE MATTERS. THEY OBEYED THESE THINGS UP AND GOTTEN SUBSTANTIALLY REFORMED PRODUCT OUT OF DEVELOPER OR IT EVER GETS TO YOU. YEAH. NOW THERE MAY COME A TIME. ON SOME PROJECT SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE, WHERE DEVELOPERS. DON'T FULLY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS A DEVELOPER MAY COME IN, AND WE MAY. GET THEM TO CHANGE 90% OF IT TO CONFORM WITH WHAT OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT THEY'RE JUST ADAMANT THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO CERTAIN OTHER THINGS. AND. THEY ACTUALLY WALK IN WITH STAFF MAKING A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION THAN WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTED. SO THAT THAT'S WHEN YOUR JOB IS GOING TO BE EVEN HARDER. THAT'S WHEN IT'S YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE BOTH THE VILLAGE STAFF END THE DEVELOPER WALKING IN TOGETHER, SAID YES, WE'VE BEATEN THIS UP AND. COMMAND APPROVAL MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE AN EVEN HARDER DECISION, STAFF SAYS. DO THESE THINGS THE DEVELOPER SAYS. WE WANT TO DO THE BETTER. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THE POSTURE OF THE ITEMS THAT COME BEFORE YOU MOST ALL OF THEM HAVE GONE THROUGH AT LEAST ONE. THE STANDARD SET OF ITERATIONS WITH STAFF TO GET IT TO BE A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT CONSISTENT WITH OUR KIND OF PLAN AND L D. R S AND HAVE BEEN REVIEWED NOT JUST BY THEIR OWN EXPERTS. BUT OFTEN ON ON THE CIVIL ENGINEERING TYPE THINGS AND SO ON. REVIEWED BY OUR EXPERTS AS WELL. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PRESIDENT FOR ANY MORE COMMENTS TONIGHT? HAVE ONE TINY MORE COMMENT ON SINCE WE'VE DISCUSSED SO MUCH OF CHAPTER SEVEN AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TONIGHT WITH THE. PROTECTED SPECIES. THERE'S ONE SENTENCE HERE ON PAGE THREE, UH, THAT ADDRESSES THE STATE THREATENED SPECIES AND SPECIES OF SPECIAL CONCERN THAT ARE ACTUALLY OBSERVED. AND THEN THERE'S A GREAT BIG OR. REASONABLY LIKELY TO OCCUR. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE SPECIES IF THEY'RE REASONABLY LIKELY TO OCCUR ON A PROJECT SITE, UM THEN IT FALLS UNDER THIS OTHER FLORIDA STATUTE. BUT ANYWAY, I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM. YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, CLEAR VERY DENSELY WOODED PROPERTIES AND, UM WELL, HOW I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THIS IS ADDRESSED. OUT WITH THE OAR.YES. THOSE IN OTHER WORDS, SPECIES THAT ARE OBSERVED OR. REASONABLY LIKELY TO OCCUR.
WELL MY STORYBOOK ANSWER IS GOING TO BE OUR IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT, WHICH IS SECTION 4-7 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND IT'S THE PERMIT. THAT'S ISSUE. PERMIT THIS ISSUE WHAT WE CAN DO. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO HOW OTHER AGENCIES. CONDUCT THEIR REVIEWS. UM PERHAPS THAT WE CAN DO IS FIND OUT WHAT THEIR TYPICAL PROCESSES WHEN THEY CONDUCT. YOU KNOW THESE WILDLIFE HABITAT. ENDANGERED SPECIES. UM. SITE VISITS. WE CAN GET WHATEVER CHECKLIST THEY USE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SHARE OR HOW THEIR REPORTS LOOK.
RIGHT? TO THE EXTENT OF THAT PARTICULAR. I'M GUESSING IT'S A POLICY IN THE CONSERVATION ON IT. IT IS NOT A PLAN, OKAY? WHAT IS IT? WAIT. IT'S NOT APART. YEAH LET ME JUMP IN BECAUSE I JUST I JUST SERVED THAT THAT IS THAT WORDING AND UNLESS IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND SOMEONE CAN POINT ME TO IT UM. THAT WORDING APPEARS TO BE PLAYING THE DEFINITION OF A WILDLIFE HABITAT MANAGEMENT PLAN. THINK THAT'S TAKEN RIGHT OUT OF F. W C. BECAUSE IT'S REFERENCING CHAPTER 3 73 AND 3 78 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES IN THAT DEFINITION OF THE WILDLIFE
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HABITAT MANAGEMENT PLAN. IT'S THAT'S BASICALLY THE. SAYING WHAT A WILDLIFE HABITAT MAN PLAN IS, WHICH IS GENERAL SITE INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE METHOD MEASURES, PRACTICES OR ACTIONS BE IMPLEMENTED TO ADDRESS STRAIGHT THREATENS SPECIAL CONCERNED, OBSERVED A REASONABLY LIKELY TO OCCUR ON A PROJECT SITE. SUBJECT ACTIVITIES PERMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH BOTH CHAPTER 3 73 AND 3 78. THAT'S TALKING ABOUT F WC PERMITTING AND SAYING THAT BASICALLY SOMEBODY GETTING ONE OF THOSE PERMITS, IT'S TO ADDRESS INSTANCES WHERE IT'S OBSERVED OR REASONABLY LIKELY TO OCCUR. UM. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IT'S F W. C S. ONE OF THEIR CORE JOBS TO EVALUATE. DANIEL IF I MAY ASK, WEIGHED ONE OTHER QUESTION AND DIRECTOR ALSO, UM ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION OUT THERE, NOT JUST ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE FUTURE THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. BUT CERTAINLY ABOUT THE TRACTOR SUPPLY ISSUE. AND I WAS I WAS SO DISAPPOINTED THAT MORE MEMBERS FROM INDIAN WOULD DIDN'T SHOW UP BECAUSE THEY WERE THE SAME PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ISSUE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. SO IS IT. IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR ME? TO MAKE A POST. ON THE NEXT DOOR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. FOR THAT'S ALL. JUMP IN ANY TIME TO SAY I WAS ACTUALLY AT THE TRACTOR SUPPLY ZONING, THE PCB MEETING, AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE INDY WOULD CANAL AND THE BACK OF THE TRACTOR SUPPLY BUILDING IS GOING TO BE 150 FT. THE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED. THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING MANY OF THEM AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING THEM WITH THESE SPECIES. UM UM AND, UM SOMETHING ABOUT THE ENTRANCE. CAN I SAY THINGS LIKE THAT WITHOUT? OR CAN CAN, THE VILLAGE SAY IN SOME OF THE VILLAGE PUBLICATIONS? IF YOU MISS THE ZONING MEETING THAT COVERED TRACTOR SUPPLY, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. BECAUSE I'M COOL WITH THAT, TOO. I JUST THINK. IF WE LET THAT INFORMATION VACUUM SIT OUT THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE FILLED WITH MISINFORMATION AND IN MANY CASES IN THIS TOWN DISINFORMATION. SO I JUST WANT TO FILL THE VACUUM WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION FROM WHOM EVER CAN SUPPLY. YOU'RE WAITING FOR HIM TO ANSWER, RIGHT? YEAH. IS THAT IS THAT WHICH HAS THAT QUESTION DIRECTOR THAT FOR ME? WELL I THINK IT'S A LEGAL ISSUE. AND ALSO, I THINK DIRECTOR JEFFERSON HAS A LOOK ON HER FACE LIKE SHE GOT SOME IDEAS ABOUT THIS, TOO. MHM. UM. WE DO HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW. SUSAN IS INDICATING THAT THAT WE HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY. SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY. I'M NOT AWARE THAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY GOVERNS, UH APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS. I DON'T THINK IT DOES. NOW IT GOVERNS OUR VILLAGE STAFF. IT'S A STAFF POLICY. UM SO WAIT IS ARE WE WERE A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT? SO LIKE. TO AVOID SUNSHINE LAWS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I MEAN, I. I AGREE THAT IT'S NICE FOR THE VILLAGE TO REPORT WHAT OCCURS BUT JUST ONE FOR THE ACTUAL MEMBERS ON THE BOARD. YOU KNOW IF SOMEONE COMMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL. THE SUNSHINE LAWS, BUT I DO I DO. I DO LIKE THE VILLAGE, YOU KNOW, REPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I JUST THINK AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE HAVE TO START JUMPING INTO THAT VACUUM AND POSTING FACTS. AND IT'S FINE WITH ME IF I'M NOT THE PERSON TO DO THAT, BUT MAYBE SOME OF THE VILLAGE DEATH COULD DO THAT. THERE'S WHAT.THERE'S WHAT'S TECHNICALLY LEGAL. UH BUT THEN ALSO OPENING UP. WHOLE HORNET'S NEST. OR YOURSELF, PRIMARILY, UM, TO GO DOWN THE ROUTE AS A P C. A B MATTER, UH, MEMBER. OF UH, GOING THROUGH. HANG OUT THE FACTS AS YOU LEAVE THEM AFTER REMAIN IT? AFTER YOU'VE MADE A QUALIFIED JUDICIAL DETERMINATION ON SOMETHING. THERE'S NOT THE SAME ISSUE ABOUT SHARING FREE JUDGEMENT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN JUDGED AT LEAST BY BY YOU AND YOUR BOARD. UM, FROM A SUNSHINE MATTER. WHAT YOU WOULD DO TO AVOID VIOLATIONS, SUNSHINE LAWS
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YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO OR MORE MEMBERS OF THE P C. H B TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION ON FACEBOOK AND HAVE YOU GOING BACK OR. BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU GO AND YOU POST. SIX FACTS COMING OUT OF THE MEETING AS YOU UNDERSTOOD THEM AND THEN ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE PC ADA FEELS COMPELLED TO DISAGREE WITH YOU OR SHARE A DIFFERENT THOUGHT, AS TO TWO OF THEM.THAT IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE. WHY? FROM A SUNSHINE PERSPECTIVE, ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE ACTED ON IS SOMETHING THAT HYPOTHETICALLY COULD COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN TO BE ACTED UPON. AND SO WE STILL DON'T ANY MATTER YOU'VE ALREADY DISPOSED OF WHAT? YOU'RE DISCUSSING THOSE MATTERS OUTSIDE OF THE NOTICED. SO IT INVITES ISSUES WHEN YOU GO TALKING PUBLICLY ON FACEBOOK ABOUT IT DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY VIOLATE THE SUNSHINE LAW, BUT IT INTENSE.
STAY SOMEONE ELSE. UM. DRAGGING YOU INTO A CONVERSATION THAT GOES DOWN THOSE ROUTES. THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN PAUSING BECAUSE IT'S. IT'S VERY FRAUD FOR YOU. TO GET INTO THOSE THINGS. AND I'VE SEEN IT AND VERY POORLY FOR BOARD MEMBERS, BOTH ON ELECTED BOARDS AND APPOINTED BOARDS. SO IF YOU WERE ASKING MY ADVICE I'D RECOMMEND IT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD IDEA. LEGALLY. CAN YOU DO IT? YOU CAN, BUT DON'T. IF ANY OF YOU SEE SOMEBODY POSTING THAT ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE BABY DON'T RESPOND TO IT. WAIT I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN REGARDING PUBLIC RECORDS IF PEOPLE ARE POSTING ON PAGES OTHER THAN THE VILLAGES PAGE, WE CANNOT. CAPTURE THOSE POSTS AND HIS RESPONSES TO THOSE POSTS. SO IF ANYTHING IS TO BE POSTED, IT SHOULD ONLY BE POSTED ON THE VILLAGES WEBSITE, WHICH ONLY STAFF CONTROLS. UH OR A BARE MINIMUM, THEN THOSE MEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEHOW MAINTAINING THOSE WHICH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO. AS A PRACTICAL MODEL. THIS IS WHY I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS. IN ADDITION TO ALL THESE LEGAL COMPLICATIONS. I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU AS A PRACTICAL MATTER. FOLKS THAT DON'T. FOLKS THAT WANT TO BELIEVE CERTAIN THINGS ARE GOING TO BELIEVE IT. REGARDLESS OF THE FACTS THEY ARE CONFRONTED WITH. I REALLY HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT IS TRUE. THAT'S ABOUT ALL THE ADVICE. I THINK I CAN OFFER AT THIS POINT IT THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK I'M HAPPY TO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANOTHER ONE OR ANYMORE BECAUSE THIS IS A WORKSHOP AND IT'S GOOD TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS. WANT TO MAKE SURE. ALREADY WITH THAT WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY'S
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